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Saitama vs Yamcha
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Speed Equalized tho
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Yamcha isn't stronger than Cell tho. Pikkon only took out Cell from an ambush attack.Huesito88 said:
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How about we take your fanon Saitama and put him against Anime Yamcha and see how quickly Saitama gets fodderized
Also, being above a baseline star level character (let's just assume it is actually Star level despite literally every other source saying otherwise) only makes you a higher end of Star level
Also, being above a baseline star level character (let's just assume it is actually Star level despite literally every other source saying otherwise) only makes you a higher end of Star level
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Not even high end it would be low/mid end star level
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Yamcha is stronger than Goku's maximum power during the Saiyan Saga, i.e, Kaioken x4, which Gero and 19 would know about as they studied all of Goku's fights and knew his power.
As Yamcha's power was said to "Surpass all known human paramaters" by them, Android Saga Yamcha is > Kaioken x4 Goku.
Thus, combined with greater skill and versatility, makes this a win for Yamcha.
As Yamcha's power was said to "Surpass all known human paramaters" by them, Android Saga Yamcha is > Kaioken x4 Goku.
Thus, combined with greater skill and versatility, makes this a win for Yamcha.
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Even assuming Saitama is above baseline Star level at hmm.....1% of his full power....
He'd only be High 4-C
And it would also be incredibly far away from even BASELINE 4-B
He'd only be High 4-C
And it would also be incredibly far away from even BASELINE 4-B
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I'm still voting for Saitama though.
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....but your only reason was speed
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Saitama has better reflexes and is less arrogant.
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Im still for Yamcha, I just quick the discussion because I was tired of repeating myself.
Here we go again with that "Never showed it so doesn't have it" thing. It's called scaling.
Here we go again with that "Never showed it so doesn't have it" thing. It's called scaling.
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Speed is Equalized! Meaning reflexes, combat, travel and reaction speed are all the same and they are bloodlusted so Yamcha isn't acting cocky.
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I'm also Skeptical of Vegeta's planet busting statement. While Saitama's is confered by author statement.
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Both are...
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Really! Piccolo destroyed the moon with a ki blast and he was weaker then Raditz who is weaker then Nappa who is weaker then end Saiyan Saga Base Goku who is weaker then Scouter Vegeta. Him being able to destroy Earth is easy to believe.
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That's a translation error. It is supposed to be planet.
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Power levels should only be used to justify the growth ratios between Saiyan Saga and Frieza Saga because Toriyama was Zenkai-ing the crap out of Goku to get him to Frieza's level.
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If anything, it's more believable for Tien to be planet level or more because he actually held back Cell. Yamcha couldn't even take the Android's punch.
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If we use power levels before Sayain Saga, we are basically saying that farmer with a shotgun can destroy 5/139 of the moon.
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Tien held back Cell with a special move that is more potent then standard ki attacks, The Androids are Star Level so Yamcha not being able to take a Punch from the likes of 17 and 18 doesn't mean he isn't Planet Level.
I don't even know why you brought up Power Levels
I don't even know why you brought up Power Levels
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It was because of the earlier arguments trying to use Roshi's moon blast as scaling.
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At the least Yamcha has the direct Low 5-B scaling of beating the crap out of a Saibaman.
I mean...he died, but still...
I mean...he died, but still...
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Him dying meant that his durability should be at most small planet at the time. The most grounded durability we can give him without assumed scaling is about 10x small planet since he trained on King Kai's planet. He got punched straight through by a Star level guy, so he is definitely much less than that.Azathoth the Abyssal Idiot said:
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Well, like I said before, any scaling makes Yamcha be stronger than Saitama. Also, I brought up Official Power Levels to show some scaling.
Also, Tien wouldnt be planet level for holding Cell back. Cell was way stronger than 16, 16 didnt even make him flinch or cause any damage. Tien held Cell back and damaged him minimally, and if I recall, even tanked a few full on blows of Cell. Remembering that attacks are multipliers according to the manga itself, youd just have to pick a number for the Kikoho and get a incredibly strong Tien, which he should be by all means, people tons of times stronger than Freeza failed to do anything to Cell and Tien did with the Kikoho.
Raditz is considered planet level. Saibamen are considered at the same level as Raditz by Nappa (around 1200PL, I believe, but that doesnt matter). Yamcha curbstomped a Saibaman easily, few panels really. The he trained at King Kais planet, which is 10x the gravity of Earth and did so easily (which someone could say that makes him around the levels of Saiyan Saga Base Goku) and Yamcha had results greater than Goku's previous trainings on the same locations, such as Roshi's training and the Kami-sama Training I mentioned before where he got a bit more than 8 times stronger.
And lets not forget that Vegeta's planetbusting statement is confirmed by numerous guidebooks and by the narrator itself. Its not a outlier or hyperbole. Read my previous posts and it will be easy to understand why Yamcha wins. Ignore the PLs I brought up if you dislike official power levels, the points will still stand. Yamcha wins.
EDIT: Btw, currently its 3 for Yamcha and 1 vote that shoudnt count for Saitama (or so I believe).
Also, Tien wouldnt be planet level for holding Cell back. Cell was way stronger than 16, 16 didnt even make him flinch or cause any damage. Tien held Cell back and damaged him minimally, and if I recall, even tanked a few full on blows of Cell. Remembering that attacks are multipliers according to the manga itself, youd just have to pick a number for the Kikoho and get a incredibly strong Tien, which he should be by all means, people tons of times stronger than Freeza failed to do anything to Cell and Tien did with the Kikoho.
Raditz is considered planet level. Saibamen are considered at the same level as Raditz by Nappa (around 1200PL, I believe, but that doesnt matter). Yamcha curbstomped a Saibaman easily, few panels really. The he trained at King Kais planet, which is 10x the gravity of Earth and did so easily (which someone could say that makes him around the levels of Saiyan Saga Base Goku) and Yamcha had results greater than Goku's previous trainings on the same locations, such as Roshi's training and the Kami-sama Training I mentioned before where he got a bit more than 8 times stronger.
And lets not forget that Vegeta's planetbusting statement is confirmed by numerous guidebooks and by the narrator itself. Its not a outlier or hyperbole. Read my previous posts and it will be easy to understand why Yamcha wins. Ignore the PLs I brought up if you dislike official power levels, the points will still stand. Yamcha wins.
EDIT: Btw, currently its 3 for Yamcha and 1 vote that shoudnt count for Saitama (or so I believe).
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>Power levels
>Pretending Power levels are linear
>Pretending Power levels are linear
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No, but they are an indication who is stronger than who.
By the Android Saga, Yamcha's Ki was higher than any human Ki that Gero had measured, and thus he was assumed to be Goku.
Therefore, Android Saga Yamcha > Kaioken x4 Goku
By the Android Saga, Yamcha's Ki was higher than any human Ki that Gero had measured, and thus he was assumed to be Goku.
Therefore, Android Saga Yamcha > Kaioken x4 Goku
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Well, they sure arent anything like Undertales stats, thats for sure. There are some misconceptions but they can be used in general scaling, I believe. Take them with a grain of salt, though. All special Ki attacks are multipliers and transformations are too, so they apply.JustSomeWeirdo said:
Roshi blew up the moon at his buffed state (180) using the Kamehameha (2.22x) so that`d make around 400PL, which is around the same levels as Piccolo when he did the same feat casually. And more than 100 times the recquired PL for destroying the moon is later used for busting the planet (Vegeta's Galick Ho is superior to Goku's Kamehameha at Kaioken 3, which would be 8000 (or more) times 3 and then the Kamehameha which is 2.22 leading up to 53.300). And miles above Vegeta's.. everything is Freeza's first form, which casually busts a planet at a supressed first form with one finger, and his first form's max power is 530.000.
EDIT: Also, Yamcha being above Saiyan Saga Vegeta would put him at above Relativistic, so the speed thing is wrong. He'd be faster, if anything.
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There is no serious revision of Yamcha's happening, only one that says he should be 3-A and is awfully wrong. Matt's reasons, plus general scaling I mentioned at least 5 times this thread gets you Yamcha beating yet another baldie.
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Yeah their is no revision for Yamcha.
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State your reason? Speed is equalized otherwise Yamcha would be faster and Yamcha is above Saitama due to being stronger than Vegeta and possibly being even further beyond. Also he took hits from Star level beings (not that it gives him too much credit) and casually stomped a Low 5-B being at his DBZ weakest.
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