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Saitama vs Ace

Where does this take place? Is it somewhere where Ace can get a improvised weapon? Does he has access to his usual pipe?

Ace is very agile as well, his small size and Acrobatics on top of immense hand to hand skills are likely going to overwhelm Saitama. I think Ace wins with low to moderate difficulties, his abilities in battle are just too much.


I must ask, does Saitama has any winning conditions?
 
GodlyCharmander said:
Where does this take place? Is it somewhere where Ace can get a improvised weapon? Does he has access to his usual pipe?
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SBA. Central Park, New York City.
GodlyCharmander said:
Ace is very agile as well, his small size and Acrobatics on top of immense hand to hand skills are likely going to overwhelm Saitama. I think Ace wins with low to moderate difficulties, his abilities in battle are just too much.
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True
GodlyCharmander said:
I must ask, does Saitama has any winning conditions?
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Can take a shit ton of damage and grow to be able to overpower Ace. Not the likeliest wincon but it's one that exists.
 
GodlyCharmander said:
Ace is comparable to Sabo, whose muscle memory alone is enough to surprise a Fishman Karate Master. Yes, Ace outskills.
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Also, I don't see how muscle memory = skill?

Just because Ace ~ Sabo in skill, that doesn't mean you can scale Ace to something to like Sabo's muscle memory.

Muscle memory =/= Skill. Muscle memory is the ability to reproduce a movement without conscious thought. That's not something Ace has shown to have in this key, and we can't give him that as a feat.
 
GodlyCharmander said:
Wait, within a span of minutes/seconds? How long does it take?
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Looking at the context, it took a couple moments as right when Saitama grew, the monster he was fighting was still commenting on the punch he used on Saitama saying, "No, that didn't do it either! I wanna hit even harder..."
 
Kachon123 said:
Also, I don't see how muscle memory = skill?

Just because Ace ~ Sabo in skill, that doesn't mean you can scale Ace to something to like Sabo's muscle memory.

Muscle memory =/= Skill. Muscle memory is the ability to reproduce a movement without conscious thought. That's not something Ace has shown to have in this key, and we can't give him that as a feat.
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It means that Ace is capable of fighting someone who has that attribute
 
Kachon123 said:
The gap is only 1.25 times, and since Ace is more skilled, Saitama being on the brink of defeat is inevitable.
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I mean does it ever works on soneone who's more skilled than Saitama? Not to someone who's stronger, plus Ace is considerably weaker than Saitama, not the other way around
 
Kachon123 said:
Also, I don't see how muscle memory = skill?

Just because Ace ~ Sabo in skill, that doesn't mean you can scale Ace to something to like Sabo's muscle memory.

Muscle memory =/= Skill. Muscle memory is the ability to reproduce a movement without conscious thought. That's not something Ace has shown to have in this key, and we can't give him that as a feat.
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Huh?

Sabo straight up remembered how he fought due to muscle memory, it was reflex to counter a sneak attack from a Fishman, which then commented on how his body "remembers how he fights", even though Sabo had amnesia. So a Sabo without any memories of his experiences is so skilled that he can surprise a Fishman Karate Master, Ace is as skilled as Sabo with his memories.

Ace ~ Sabo > Sabo (Amnesia) ~ Fishman Karate Master.
 
KingTempest said:
It means that Ace is capable of fighting someone who has that attribute
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How would muscle memory be applicable in a fight, and how can that be attributed to Ace as a skill feat?

The only way I can see Sabo utilizing it in combat is like automatically blocking or something. Not really a skill feat.
 
Kachon123 said:
The gap is insignificant. Saitama only has a 1.25x advantage in APO.
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Yes so Saitama is stronger, and you said that he will grow from getting one shotted to one shot his opponents, meaning he gets stronger by fighting stronger opponent, while Ace here is weaker than Saitama but considerably more skilled

So my question is does Saitama ever grow to one shot someone who's actually weaker than him?
 
Kachon123 said:
How would muscle memory be applicable in a fight, and how can that be attributed to Ace as a skill feat?

The only way I can see Sabo utilizing it in combat is like automatically blocking or something. Not really a skill feat.
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It means that sabo muscle memory is enough to surprise the fishman
Ace is able to fight a more aware sabo and tie
So ace~Sabo>sabo with amnesiaa~fishman
 
Also, something I would like to mention is that the "Fishman-Karate Master" Charmander was referring to was Hack. Sabo vs Hack was only in the anime afaik, so I'm not sure if that can be credited to him as a real feat.
 
Romeu08 said:
surprise the fishman
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Surprise =/= Comparable in skill

Again, Muscle Memory =/= Skill.

Hack was shocked that Sabo's body remembers how to fight despite losing his memories. How the hell is that skill? Hack never commented on how the fighting Sabo remembered was especially skilled or special, so I have no idea were yall are getting this from.
 
Kachon123 said:
Why are you trying to box Saitama's ability to only fighting stronger opponents? It's when he's backed in a corner.

Saitama and Ace are as good as comparable in AP. If Saitama gets beaten down by someone more skilled and similar AP to him, he will eventually grow to the point of one-shotting.
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Alright fair
 
So:

1. Saitama has an AP advantage to begin with that will eventually grow to a one-shot if he's pushed
2. Ace is pretty skilled and is quite acrobatic, but probably not to the point that Saitama can't keep up
3. Ace has higher LS, but grappling would just trigger Saitama's growth and end up harming Ace more then it helped him in the long run
 
Does Ace have any more wincons, if not, then I think it's safe to say that Saitama wins mid to high diff.
 
Yeah I think Saitama should take this, he definitely has the endurance to outlive the beatdown and eventually just one shot with his growth.
 
Kachon123 said:
3. Ace has higher LS, but grappling would just trigger Saitama's growth and end up harming Ace more then it helped him in the long run
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Ace is quite literally a thousand times stronger lifting wise. Idk if his growth will do anything
 
Kachon123 said:
Does Ace have any more wincons
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He's stealthy I guess, and he knows how to dodge.
Saitama can be strong but as long as he can't lay a hand on Ace, that's that.
Good with the environment, might be able to smack Saitama with a lamp post or some shit, and can use the environment to his advantage.
Might drag him to an environment more akin to his fighting style, since SBA says they're allowed to change locations

Should I unequalize speed or is this match even enough as it is?
 
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