Yeah no, I really don't see how Option 3 is best. If we can use a timeframe, "axe the calc entirely" will pretty much never be the best option
Given what was shown, 0.1 seconds should be fine since we know from precedent that moving huge distances in OPM in 0.1 seconds doesn't leave light trails
That doesn't really make sense. Why would time light trails be a result of how long the action takes rather than how fast it happens?
yes. it just means garou wasn't moving fast there. not that you can't create light trails in 0.1 second or anything
Yeaah so using a 0.1 second time frame based on that is pretty much a baseless assumption
I think you're misunderstanding the proposal. It's a bit roundabout, but it's less "they can only be created in a timeframe THIS fast", and more "they must dissipate in a timeframe THIS fast". At least, that's why I'm agreeing to it. We don't really need to know how fast one needs to be to form light trails, we just need to know how long they LAST for, given Saitama did his before they began dissipating.
I don't know the speed required to create a light trail, but the duration of the light trail at the starting point is definitely not 1 second. We assume this because Garou couldn't create a light trail within 0.1 seconds, which is a low-ball estimate. This means the light trail from Saitama's starting point remains and doesn't disappear. Now, we need to consider how long the light trail will remain before it fades. In reality, creating an afterimage isn't that difficult; we can do it by waving our hand quickly within a short timeframe. Therefore, moving 0.0001 meters in 13 milliseconds might create an afterimage, though it would be very brief and hard to see. If we move 0.5 meters in 13 milliseconds, we could also create an afterimage. At this point, we're not determining the speed required to create a light trail but considering the duration the light trail remains. Even if in the scene PS can move and create a light trail over a long distance in 0.0013 seconds, it still doesn't compare to the distance on Io where Saitama creates his.
That is just assuming it's the same timeframe even though it's a different scene. What's the difference? Rn, we are only considering the duration that the light trail remains.
But we don't know how long they start dissipating. We never get a concrete statement, feat, or even an implication.
0.0013 is literally a random guess itself
that's true. just a little less random :d0.0013 is literally a random guess itself
Please don't just say 'it's a random guess'; that is not a good argument.
the real reason was because its the least stated timeframe we have that comes with a similar speed feat. but it doesn't seem to be good enough so it can be called random as well. not that i mean it's a random guess
You know 0.1 seconds is visible by normal humans?But we don't know how long they start dissipating. We never get a concrete statement, feat, or even an implication.
Actually there is counter evidence as well. It's stated that witnesses did actually see the light formations, even the less dense4ones created by the much slower Flashy + PS + Garou combination.
Even regular fodder humans saw them.
It's literally visible in the background during Saitamas entire conversation with Genos as well
So we definitely can't say the light lines will disappear after 0.1 seconds, they're clearly visible for a long time
would it end the moment garou and platinum falls to the ground? if so i think it would be fine to use this page? we can find how fast they'd hit the ground. or the moment platinum loses? which garou was still standing so we could still make a timeframe. or the moment his particle type thing reaches to the king? dunno about that :d
First problem is that we don't know how long it took between Garou blasting PS into ground, PS emerging back, and Garou one shotting him and striking a pose.
I mean, what spreads out is not a shockwave but seeds.First problem is that we don't know how long it took between Garou blasting PS into ground, PS emerging back, and Garou one shotting him and striking a pose.
Second problem is that they don't seem to naturally disappear but more so that they got destroyed by the shockwave of Garous attack. They clearly disperse into sparkles which they didn't do until then
Something that never happened with them before
those particle things are not those light traits but it comes from platinum sperm isn't it?First problem is that we don't know how long it took between Garou blasting PS into ground, PS emerging back, and Garou one shotting him and striking a pose.
Second problem is that they don't seem to naturally disappear but more so that they got destroyed by the shockwave of Garous attack. They clearly disperse into sparkles which they didn't do until then
Something that never happened with them before
also yes we don't know how long it was. but we know their speed. finding the distance / their speed would give us how long it took for them to land. though i guess using those numbers for another scale would be calc stacking? or not? since its the same fight and the same momentFirst problem is that we don't know how long it took between Garou blasting PS into ground, PS emerging back, and Garou one shotting him and striking a pose.
Second problem is that they don't seem to naturally disappear but more so that they got destroyed by the shockwave of Garous attack. They clearly disperse into sparkles which they didn't do until then
Something that never happened with them before
You generally can't scale post-amp statistics to pre-amp statistics.
If you look carefully Their line-making movement disappears and is created again.But we don't know how long they start dissipating. We never get a concrete statement, feat, or even an implication.
Actually there is counter evidence as well. It's stated that witnesses did actually see the light formations, even the less dense4ones created by the much slower Flashy + PS + Garou combination.
Even regular fodder humans saw them.
It's literally visible in the background during Saitamas entire conversation with Genos as well
So we definitely can't say the light lines will disappear after 0.1 seconds, they're clearly visible for a long time
Judging by what Damage said about the Saitama jumping off Io calc, I'd imagine this would warrant its own thread
Ok, can you help me unlock Saitama and Garou's profiles? I'll work on it.
I can't unlock profiles sadly. You'll want to get a Content Mod or Admin to help you out with that
I would love to see the reasoning on why that isn't calc stacking and wtf does it actually calculate because I might either be a bit slow today or the calc just doesn't explain it
This is the same instance, so it's not calc stacking. Clover even agreed in the comments.
It's calcing Garou's speed. What part is confusing to you? I wrote out the formula I used.
It pretty blatantly says "characters or attacks"
It's not. It's the same fight but not the same "instance".
You're calculating Garou blitzing PS but what value do you use for the timeframe? Platinums reaction speed? If so can you prove PS couldn't percieve Garous attack.
I assume this is a vsbw approved calculation method (idk, I never tried to calc speed by comparing 2 characters) so I don't exactly have a problem with that. I'm more so confused on what speed value you're using for Platinums speed here
