Saint Seiya: Cosmo P&A Blog! Its finally here! (Just needs looked over and approved)

[TheUnshakableOne]

It is finally done! The Cosmo P&A page for Saint Seiya!

This will make future revisions far more simpler, and also make separating Keys into their own page like Capricorn Shura from the Classic and the Time Traveling Other Dimensional Shura from Assassins far more easy. It will make merging profiles of the same characters easier as well, make the process faster and smoother.

This will also make future crt plans i have alot easier for examples changes to how miracles will work and operate, and changes to the 8th sense.

This will also streamline the process of making new profile.

Now the one thing i really struggled with here is conceptual manipulation. its not my area of expertise. I have very little and limited knowledge on it.


I'll elaborate more on it in the quote box.

The Divine Will of the Gods are like laws of nature as to what laws of nature are to matter. The Divine Will is what dictates how these "Like" laws operate/work. The Divine Will of the Gods is more fundamental than laws which dictates certain "attributes of a world." With their Divine Will they can change the nature and fundamental rules of all things. Their Divine Will controls how these "Changes in properties" affect "things." Their Divine Wills can change the nature of properties. The Divine Wills of the Gods was released at the moment of "creation of existence" not "Created during that moment." [[These come from DontTalk words i read on this link]]

Please look over this for any grammatical mistakes, or sentence changes that should be made to make something better. I'll admit im not an English major, or an artist i did the best i could with my average IQ level lol. Anyways, any recommendations to make the page look better would be appreciated thank you!

Link to the blog for staff to review is below

TheUnshakableOne/sandbox

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Confluctor]

Will check tomorrow, too tired today. But just leaving a comment so I get a reminder tomorrow.

 

[Xxiaa]

You already know I agree

 

[AlexZiggy]

Here it is.
I've talked to you on Discord and have already discussed my initial grievances. Beyond conceptual manipulation which should be discussed a little more in depth and the 8th Sense thing, this looks fine.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Looks fine from a glance.

 

[StekFence]

Considering the amount of profiles in need of updating, this is a godsend

 

[Hasty12345]

If it makes profiles easier to edit, I’m all for it

 

[Hasty12345]

Some typo's I found:

Aries powers:

• Crystal Will -> Crystal Wall
• Telekensis -> Telekinesis

Cancer powers:
- Hade's -> Hades'

Virgo powers:
- Kan -> Khan?

There's also only 7 Cloths, will the other 5 be added at some point?

 

[StekFence]

Khan can be spelled Kan

 

[Elizhaa]

Seems fine from a cursory glance, I will check more later; though, references should be added if there will be page(s) made from the sandbox:

• Always include the References section in character pages, explanation pages, information blogs, and verse-specific powers and abilities pages to source all the important information covered within them. To learn more regarding how to use them, read the References page.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Some typo's I found:

Aries powers:

• Crystal Will -> Crystal Wall
• Telekensis -> Telekinesis

Cancer powers:
- Hade's -> Hades'

Virgo powers:
- Kan -> Khan?

There's also only 7 Cloths, will the other 5 be added at some point?

I didn't really see anything that can be used on the blog. Do all libra Saints have anything common? Do all the Taurus saints have the same abilities?

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Seems fine from a cursory glance, I will check more later; though, references should be added if there will be page(s) made from the sandbox:

• Always include the References section in character pages, explanation pages, information blogs, and verse-specific powers and abilities pages to source all the important information covered within them. To learn more regarding how to use them, read the References page.

Ah I didn't know that

 

[StekFence]

Well, Taurus would really only have shockwaves i think, Libra has Weapon Mastery, and water manip, since they all know the Shoryuha. Also, attack boost, via 100 dragons. I guess any powers the weapons themselves have. All non omega Leo’s can use Electric techniques, Sagittarius has Weapon mastery, and flight. Capricorn would also get weapon mastery, bodily weaponry, and prob Space time manip

 

[Hasty12345]

I didn't really see anything that can be used on the blog. Do all libra Saints have anything common? Do all the Taurus saints have the same abilities?

Leo's have lightning manipulation?
Sagittarius' get ummm archery?

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Well, Taurus would really only have shockwaves i think, Libra has Weapon Mastery, and water manip, since they all know the Shoryuha. Also, attack boost, via 100 dragons. I guess any powers the weapons themselves have. All non omega Leo’s can use Electric techniques, Sagittarius has Weapon mastery, and flight. Capricorn would also get weapon mastery, bodily weaponry, and prob Space time manip

I don't think it grants an ability to "move so fast you push air." if that makes sense

Did Genbu every have water manipulation? I don't remember Shiryu being the exact same either. I could be wrong though

Noted on the weapon mastery + Powers the weapons have and the attack boost one. Does Genbu and Shiryu ever use it?

Regulus didn't use Lightening abilities iirc. they were named after it but i don't remember him using electric powers.

Noted for sagitarrius though, and capricorns.

 

[StekFence]

Did Genbu every have water manipulation? I don't remember Shiryu being the exact same either. I could be wrong though

Both have the water element, and classic shiryu has reversed blood, waterfalls, and even rode water. dohko can also create rain

 

[StekFence]

I don't think it grants an ability to "move so fast you push air." if that makes sense

Great horn specifically functions as a shockwave tho, and most other characters don’t create them. Usually anyway. Although I suppose it’s not very unique

 

[Vietthai96]

Can release this as verse specific abilities page, no need a blog though

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Can release this as verse specific abilities page, no need a blog though

That's what I meant lol

I'll edit that in later

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Seems fine from a cursory glance, I will check more later; though, references should be added if there will be page(s) made from the sandbox:

• Always include the References section in character pages, explanation pages, information blogs, and verse-specific powers and abilities pages to source all the important information covered within them. To learn more regarding how to use them, read the References page.

i think i might have misunderstood something here.

if this becomes a page it would need references? Or is references only needed if new character pages are created using this blog/page?

 

[StekFence]

So, wouldn’t the 8th sense enhanced Senses be more of cosmic awareness?

 

[Confluctor]

Lemme look

• Probability Manipulation, and Statistics Amplification: Through the power of Miracles, humans can make impossible events actually happen, and increase their power, speed, and durability to an insane degree; increasing their stats enough to give them an assured victory.

This isn't probability manip, stat amps is fine. This can be used as adaptation and RE

Improved Matter Manipulation, Soul Manipulation, and Temperature Manipulation: God Cloths gives the user a massive boost in the potency of their Cosmo bringing them even closer to the power of the Gods.

• Improved Resistance to Matter Manipulation, Soul Manipulation, and Temperature Manipulation: The God cloths allow the user to be comparable to the Cosmo of a God.

You should rearrange the sandbox. I saw this and was so confused. This should be below basic cosmic abilities then

• Energy Manipulation: Cosmo-based attacks are imbued with energy which increases power, and other stats.

That's not energy manip. Seems like projection and Stat amps

• Durability Negation: Through the destruction of Atoms, and attacking the soul directly.

Seeing some scans/examples of this would be nice

• Soul Manipulation, and Matter Manipulation: Every attack from a Cosmo user is imbued with the power of "Cosmo" therefore even basic users take attacks from each other.

Explain pls

• Existence Erasure and Void Manipulation: 7th sense users, including Gold Saints, have withstood standing in the presence of the Erasing effects of Dunamis; which is the power of Nothingness.

This is just Void manip. He is just explaining void hax

• Mind Manipulation: Users of the 7th sense are able to resist being mind controlled by Gods. For example, Kouga can resist Abzu. Aiolia can resist Zeus. The Pope in Lost Canvas can resist Thanatos. Shun can resist Hades. Alone successfully repressed Hades completely. Kyoko, and Shoko can resist Eris. 7th Sense users can also continue to fight when their minds cease to exist.

I don't get the scaling. Also there are like 20 scans, I read through a few and didnt' see anything relevant to mind hax resistance?

Incorporeality: exist without a body, as a soul.

Which scan specifically says that they are without body?

• Resurrection, and Immortality: Type 4 - After obtaining the 8th sense, the user gains absolute control of his own soul, and can resurrect himself.
• Regeneration: Low Godly - Users of the 8th Sense and create a new body for themselves after it has been completely destroyed

I am not seeing either? Scans are a bit hard to read, especially the last few. But I am not seeing either of these?

• Death Manipulation and Law Manipulation: The Underworld kills anyone that is "Alive" when entering into it, but 8th sense users can enter it alive. The 8th sense allows the user to overcome the laws that Hades had created.

Last two scans are exactly the same. might wanna fix it first

• Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1): Those who have completely mastered the power of The Ninth Sense can use the power of Dunamis. The Power of Chaos which creates all forms of “The Universe.”

Need in verse context cause I am not getting much out of it

• Improved resistance to Mind Manipulation: 9th Sense users "Minds" cease to exist upon awakening the 9th sense, and they then become devoid of a "mind" upon awakening it.

Seems like instinctive stuff?

• Passive Aura, Perception Manipulation, Sense Manipulation, Mind Manipulation, Paralysis Inducement, Life Manipulation, Statistics Reduction, Conceptual Existence Erasure, Chaos Manipulation, Biological Manipulation, and Heat Manipulation: By being in the presence of a God; the six senses are rendered unusable and denied. The Sixth Sense is shut down by disabling the Brain. The Gods radiate a divine aura that causes fear in the surrounding beings and forces them to obey the Gods command. The power that radiates from the Gods causes the affected targets to become paralyzed. Their life force then starts to drain, and they then have their strength, speed, stamina, endurance, and durability reduced by being near a Gods Cosmo. Powering up their Cosmo causes the heat in the area around them to increase drastically, along with their attacks being imbued with intense heat. The Aura a God emits releases a wave of Dunamis when their powering up their Cosmo.

You might want to break this up, hard to understand what's going on and which scan should I be reading for which one.

Also, conceptual EE?

• Abstract Existence (Type 2), Immortality (Types 1; 3; 4; 6; 8; and 9), and Regeneration (Mid-Godly): The very existence of the Gods rely on abstract Concepts. Athena’s immortality is reliant on people’s belief in her. Eris is reliant on the concept of Discord. Despite the destruction of a God's Mind, Soul, and Body they still continue to resurrect. Additionally, the gods can jump bodies pushing their souls into another host. The True Body of every God exists in some other world. For example, Hades' true body is in the world of "Elysium." Cronos has his true body sealed in Tartarus. Zeus, and Poseidon's body are in an unknown location.

Scans needed for some claims. Like mid godly

Acausality (Type 4): The Gods are completely immune to the effects of the Time-space Continuum correcting the past, present, and future. They are also completely immune to the effects of a dimension of non-linear time where Time is distorted, and influx. A dimension of ever changing time

time resistance

• Teleportation: Masters of the 6th Sense develop control, and mastery over Psychic abilities. The Gods have completely mastered every sense up to the 10th Sense.

??????

• Space-Time Manipulation, Curse Manipulation, and Petrification: The Gods can stop time with a thought using their Divine Will which will also turn the target to stone with a curse, and they can control the expansion of space in the universe.

Where is curse and petrification?

• Regeneration negation up to Mid-Godly, and Immortality negation: of Types: 3; 4; 6; 8, and 9: The Divine weapons were created with the intention to permanently kill gods. For example, Gaia created a weapon for Kronos to slay Uranus. Gaia then proceeded to create weapons for all twelve of the Titans who all went to war with the Olympians. Athena was capable of destroying the true body and soul of Typhon. Hades had various methods to permanently kill Athena as Athena's death was needed to conquer the world of the living. The Sword of Chrysus can kill gods such as Athena, and even Saturn remarked that it could kill an ordinary god, however, the Olympians and many of the Titans are considered “Great gods.” Typhon is a biological weapon created by the union of Gaia and Tartarus to end the reign of the Olympians.

? So much going on. Can you explain it a bit more clearly?

• Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1): The power of Dunamis is the power of the Primordial Chaos that forms, and shapes, all phenomena of The Universe. The Divine Will of the Gods permeates everything in existence, and with their Divine Will they can dictate the properties of anything in existence. The Will of The Gods are the cause of all laws in nature, and they dictate how the Laws of The Universe will work.

I need a bit more context here

• Void Manipulation, and Chaos Manipulation: The power of Dunamis is the power of the primordial “nothingness.” The void before all of existence was created. When all attributes of the Universe are brought together it creates Dunamis, also known as "Chaos."

Where is chaos?

• Conceptual Fate Manipulation: (Type 1) The Divine Will of the Gods filled the stars of The Universe. The destiny of every living being is determined by the constellation they were born under. The Gods manipulate the constellations to manipulate the fate of mortals. This also includes Constellations that no longer exist anymore, and have never existed.

Conceptual?

• Possibly Regeneration negation up to Mid-Godly, and Immortality negation of types (3; 4; 8; and 9): Typhon had his true body, and soul permanently destroyed by Athena, but he later returned as his "Divine Will." Gods such as Poseidon, Zeus, and Hades continue to come back despite Athena's ability to permanently destroy the body and soul of Typhon. The Titan King Cronus was able to permanently kill Uranus with a weapon that Gaia created, but Uranus still existed as an “Ethereal being” who was sealed. Later Gaia created more weapons for the Titans that were later used in a war against the Olympians, which were ineffective against them in a war that lasted "10 god years." Athena used The Sword of Chrysus to kill herself. She was seen later flying out of the Underworld and in later works such as Next Dimension. Typhon is a biological weapon created by the union of Gaia and Uranus to end the reign of the Olympians, but he proved to be ineffective in killing them.

Same as before. Also not really seeing any of this as resistance tbh

• Teleportation: These Gold Saints can Teleport themselves, or others.

That doesn't say its teleportation at all.

• Forcefield Creation: Via Crystal Will

• BFR and Portal Creation: via Another Dimension
• Mind Manipulation and Illusion Creation: via the Demon Emperors Fist

• Soul Separation: via The Cancer Saints “Underworld Wave”
• BFR: The Cancer Gold Saints can send people directly to Hade's Underworld.

• Forcefield Creation: via Kan
  
  
• Sense Manipulation and Perception Manipulation: via Tenbu Horin
• BFR: Via The Rikudō Rinne
  
  
• Law Manipulation: The Virgo Saints cause all causality to come to a stop by controlling the Law of Dependent Origination.

• Ice Manipulation: Aquarius Saints are Masters of controlling Ice.

Scans?

For the last one, I can see ice coffin, but I wanna see how they do it and more examples would be nice.

• Acausality: (Type 4) Those splashed with the blood of a god are immune to changes in time.

Way too much scans. Some scans are a bit hard to read - thanks Imgur. And this isn't acausality type 4 or anything, at best, time resistance.

• Acausality: (Type 1, possibly Type 4) - Specters are are unaffected by the flow of time.

Scans explains it well. It's related to immortality type 1. At best, age manip

 

[StekFence]

Seems like projection

Energy projection doesn’t fall under energy manip? Cos an example on the page was energy beams

 

[StekFence]

Lemme look

This isn't probability manip, stat amps is fine. This can be used as adaptation and RE

You should rearrange the sandbox. I saw this and was so confused. This should be below basic cosmic abilities then

That's not energy manip. Seems like projection and Stat amps

Seeing some scans/examples of this would be nice

Explain pls

This is just Void manip. He is just explaining void hax

I don't get the scaling. Also there are like 20 scans, I read through a few and didnt' see anything relevant to mind hax resistance?

Which scan specifically says that they are without body?
I am not seeing either? Scans are a bit hard to read, especially the last few. But I am not seeing either of these?

Last two scans are exactly the same. might wanna fix it first

Need in verse context cause I am not getting much out of it

Seems like instinctive stuff?

You might want to break this up, hard to understand what's going on and which scan should I be reading for which one.

Also, conceptual EE?

Scans needed for some claims. Like mid godly

time resistance

??????

Where is curse and petrification?

? So much going on. Can you explain it a bit more clearly?

I need a bit more context here

Where is chaos?

Conceptual?

Same as before. Also not really seeing any of this as resistance tbh

That doesn't say its teleportation at all.

Scans?

For the last one, I can see ice coffin, but I wanna see how they do it and more examples would be nice.

Way too much scans. Some scans are a bit hard to read - thanks Imgur. And this isn't acausality type 4 or anything, at best, time resistance.
Scans explains it well. It's related to immortality type 1. At best, age manip

As for The Acaus stuff, that doesn’t seem to make much sense to me, to consider it as just Immortality type 1. The reason I think this is because the Character who says “The flow of time doesn’t affect me”, is saying this, to explain why he cannot be reversed into a fetus. Being immortal would counter age manip if it related to turning old, but these characters did indeed start as babies. They were fetuses at some point. So, the explanation given makes perfect sense. You cannot use time manipulation on them, in order to revert them to a previous state, because time itself is not something that would work on them in the first place.

As for how Aquarius Saints use Ice, they use their energy to slow and eventually stop the movement of atoms in the air. This allows them to make things colder.
I do agree the Gold Saints powers needs scans.

I think for The conceptual fate manip, gods Control the constellations that decide people’s fate. One god even just turned off the fate manip of the constellations. the reason its conceptual, is that they can do this to constellations that don’t exist, or no longer do. Aka, constellations that only exist as conceptsl not as real tangible things.

for Teleportation, further context is that these characters can TP out of other dimensions by their own power, but One of them, being a better teleporter then the other, can bring 2 people back at once, while the other can only teleport himself.

Teleportation for gods does need context. Basically, a High mastery of the 6th Sense allows for traditional psychic powers like telekinesis, telepathy, and Teleportation. Gods have mastered the 6th sense, and beyond.

Conceptual EE is claimed to come from the Gods power of Dunamis.

As for Mind resistance. So the Mind is the 6th Sense in saint seiya. Using the 7th Sense, and further beyond renders the Mind not needed for combat. It’s not that they don’t have to think, they literally could be incapable of thinking, due to not having a working brain, and it wouldn’t matter. This is shown in the last scan, where the blue haired guys 6th sense, or mind is destroyed. We can tell it’s destroyed, because his opponent, the blond guy, has shown the ability to destroy the basic 5 senses, and so we have no reason to doubt ikki is without a mind. Despite this, it’s replaced by his 7th Sense, and is not needed. Its not instinct, as they are deliberately Making choices and stuff, it’s just without a mind.

 

[StekFence]

This isn't probability manip, stat amps is fine. This can be used as adaptation and RE

I think it’s prob manip. This is because it’s explained as something that allows impossble things to happens. Thats the definition of Prob manip. The effect of the miracle is stat Amps usually, but the miracle itself is prob manip.

Explain pls

So basically, every person in this verse fights with an energy called cosmos. Cosmos targets atoms and the soul, when being used competently. As all cosmos users of the same general cosmos mastery can take hits from one another, they resist their Matter being broken apart, and resist their soul being damaged.

I don't get the scaling. Also there are like 20 scans, I read through a few and didnt' see anything relevant to mind hax resistance?

Alr so basically, Gods are stated to passively mess with the mind, and deny its usage. Saints fight the gods, and thus resist this. In addition, many Gods have tried to Possess the body of saints, but the Saints mind often fights back. Thus, they are resisting possession and mind manip. Finally, a 7th sense user, which is a master of the cosmos, does not need a working mind in order to fight, and thus mind destruction is somewhat useless.

Which scan specifically says that they are without body?

When a character dies in Saint Seiya, they fall into the Underworld as a Soul. Their body is on the normal world, being buried and stuff. Its explained in these scans that when someone dies, they lose their 7th,6th, etc senses. This means their soul is now separate from their body and mind. Thus, they are only incorporeal souls.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Lemme look

This isn't probability manip, stat amps is fine. This can be used as adaptation and RE

Your probably right on the probability manipulation. it looks closer to something like Accelerated Development.

You should rearrange the sandbox. I saw this and was so confused. This should be below basic cosmic abilities then

Noted; I'll do that.

That's not energy manip. Seems like projection and Stat amps

The energy manipulation one had me stumped. I was just doing abilities ive seen already accepted on profiles. Why do you think projectiont though? I can understand stat amp because they are amping their striking strength by focusing their energy around certain points or increase their speed or durability by focusing their energy.

Seeing some scans/examples of this would be nice

Noted i'll do that

Explain pls

The energy source for the whole verse is Cosmo minus the gods they use something "superior" to cosmo. So all attacks have like atomic destroying attributes and soul destructions attributes attached to it besides just physical force

This is just Void manip. He is just explaining void hax

Void Manipulation only? The Void Manipulation leads to EE. hmm maybe i should add more scans that. Imgur recently put a limit on how many pictures can be in an ablum though. i'll see what i can do here.

I don't get the scaling. Also there are like 20 scans, I read through a few and didnt' see anything relevant to mind hax resistance?

Gods can command and control people with a thought and their Aura.

Shaka for example resisted Hades mind control

Saga has his own version of mind control and Shura was able to resist and needed 2 times the mind control power

Theres also a Universal Energy System of levels of Cosmo with Mentality like Willpower.

Aiolia is able to resist being controlled by Pontos as well.

Which scan specifically says that they are without body?

Theres a scan in there showing Shaka was reduced to a spirit. He is then shown in the UW a spiritual plane of existence without a body.

am not seeing either? Scans are a bit hard to read, especially the last few. But I am not seeing either of these?

i plan on completely overhauling the 8th sense in a soon to come CRT, but basically the idea was accepted on past CRT's. Characters awakened the 8th sense were reduced to nothingness and came back with a body and their spirit.

Last two scans are exactly the same. might wanna fix it first

I'll fix that.

Need in verse context cause I am not getting much out of it

the context is in the next section below that one. but essentially

Dunamis is like laws of nature as to what laws of nature are to matter. Dunamis is what dictates how reality is structured, and the nature of properties. Dunamis dictates how the "attributes of the world" operate/work. Dunamis can change the nature and fundamental rules of all things. Dunamis controls how these "Changes in properties" affect "things." Dunamis can change the nature of properties. Dunamis was the force that existed during the Chaos Cosmogony.

Seems like instinctive stuff?

Their minds are physically destroyed the 6th sense is stated to be the power of the Mind which is where instinct resides.

You might want to break this up, hard to understand what's going on and which scan should I be reading for which one.

I'll get to that

Also, conceptual EE?

It comes from the power of Dunamis

Scans needed for some claims. Like mid godly

I thought the scans for that were there? Yeah i just double checked there there. Maybe i should embed the links in different place?

time resistance

Im not exactly sure on that. The Gods are indepdent of Time, Universes, worlds

another example is the Gods don't have a sense of Fate, or Karma (causality). Fate is determined by the Stars, and the Gods don't have any stars designated specifically for them, but their human host/avatar does have a fate.

additonally its stated that holy wars are great conflict between gods can their outcomes can't be precogged by a character that has causality based precog

??????

Teleporation is considered a psychic ability in SS and the 6th Sense is where psychic abilities resides. Gods have mastered all senses/stage of consciousness

Where is curse and petrification?

its this scan apart of the underlined words

? So much going on. Can you explain it a bit more clearly?

You recommend i rephrase this passage?

I need a bit more context here

The Divine Will of the Gods are like laws of nature as to what laws of nature are to matter. The Divine Will is what dictates how these "Like" laws operate/work. The Divine Will of the Gods is more fundamental than laws which dictates certain "attributes of a world." With their Divine Will they can change the nature and fundamental rules of all things. Their Divine Will controls how these "Changes in properties" affect "things." Their Divine Wills can change the nature of properties. The Divine Wills of the Gods was released at the moment of "creation of existence" not "Created during that moment." [[These come from DontTalk words i read on this link]]

Where is chaos?

ah i forgot to add that sorry. its here

Conceptual?

i had troubles with the CM abilities but essentially the stars control peoples fate but some constellations no longer exist and those ones still control the fate of people.

Same as before. Also not really seeing any of this as resistance tbh

Some Gods have been perma killed negating their immortality from coming back but greater gods resist this negation. Typhon just a more limited resistance to the negation i suppose? His body was completely destroyed and can't be recovered but he still came back as just an intangible mind/divine will

That doesn't say its teleportation at all.

They don't really state teleporation, but here in this scene Mu teleports shaka and ikki back to his Universe. The anime shows this scene better imo. Actually in a scene before this in a chapter way before this Mu is stated to teleport people.

Scans?

The character profiles should have the abilities described already on them. Are scans for them needed still?

For the last one, I can see ice coffin, but I wanna see how they do it and more examples would be nice.

alright i'll do that.

Way too much scans. Some scans are a bit hard to read - thanks Imgur. And this isn't acausality type 4 or anything, at best, time resistance.

May i ask why you believe its Time manipulation resistance?

Scans explains it well. It's related to immortality type 1. At best, age manip

it should at least be acausality type 1. it shows that changes to the past won't affect them.

 

[StekFence]

Shouldn’t all 7th sense users have magma manip?

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Shouldn’t all 7th sense users have magma manip?

It's not a complete blog. This is just stuff I seen on profiles that is already being used.

 

[StekFence]

I see. I mean,this is a crt, we could add some more stuff before it’s conclusion yeah?

 

[Rabbit2002]

Following

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

I see. I mean,this is a crt, we could add some more stuff before it’s conclusion yeah?

That'll drag the crt longer than it probably should

 

[Rabbit2002]

Seem good from a glance, even I was already agree with this.

• Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1): The power of Dunamis is the power of the Primordial Chaos that forms, and shapes, all phenomena of The Universe. The Divine Will of the Gods permeates everything in existence, and with their Divine Will they can dictate the properties of anything in existence. The Will of The Gods are the cause of all laws in nature, and they dictate how the Laws of The Universe will work.

• Conceptual Fate Manipulation: (Type 1) The Divine Will of the Gods filled the stars of The Universe. The destiny of every living being is determined by the constellation they were born under. The Gods manipulate the constellations to manipulate the fate of mortals. This also includes Constellations that no longer exist anymore, and have never existed.

These abilities, I think you should merge into something like concept manipulation (type 1) and manipulation of fate, because it would be better than repeating the already existing ones.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Seem good from a glance, even I was already agree with this.




These abilities, I think you should merge into something like concept manipulation (type 1) and manipulation of fate, because it would be better than repeating the already existing ones.

that is a good point

 

[Elizhaa]

i think i might have misunderstood something here.

if this becomes a page it would need references? Or is references only needed if new character pages are created using this blog/page?

if this becomes a page it would need references, in short.
I will try to reply more by tomorrow.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

just wanna say im fine with removing conceptual manipulation, and acausality until i can iron it out more and save them for a future crt

acausality will probably return once i do the 8th stage of counsciousness/Sense crt.

 

[Hasty12345]

probably best to just focus on what is already accepted for the verse

 

[Confluctor]

A lot of stuff to read through today Huh

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

Improved Matter Manipulation, Soul Manipulation, and Temperature Manipulation: God Cloths gives the user a massive boost in the potency of their Cosmo bringing them even closer to the power of the Gods.

The God Cloth does not grant that power, as explained in the manga this Cloth is only a manifestation of the cosmos of the Saints when it rises to infinity in the Hades Arc, the power that Bronze Saints reached at that moment was their own power, not the power of an armor.

• Improved resistance to Illusions: The 6th and 7th Sense allows someone to see through illusions by shutting down and ignoring their sense of sight, or all of their 5 basic senses.

Saints cannot see through illusions, so even Camus and Shura were confused by the illusion in the Gemini Temple.

Mu's illusion (now in the Final Edition it is Marin's illusion) confuses the Silver Saints.

• Telekinesis: The 6th allows for psychic abilities including telekinesis.

A detail in this gallery of the 6th Sense and others.

Kurumada removed this image in the Final Edition.

Spoiler

Everything described in this image is no longer relevant to the manga.

8th Sense Users Resistances​

These are the resistance all 8th sense users would have along with all previously mentioned resistances.

• Improved Resistance to Soul Manipulation: These Users become very resistant to Hades effects of possessing souls. Whom Hades can control souls, and force them to his Underworld. The soul of someone whom has awakened the 8th sense has superior resistance to soul manipulation compared to 7th sense users as the 8th Sense is hidden even deeper in the Cosmo than the 7th Sense.
• Improved Resistance to Sense Manipulation and Perception Manipulation: Has the 7th, and 8th Sense.
• Death Manipulation and Law Manipulation: The Underworld kills anyone that is "Alive" when entering into it, but 8th sense users can enter it alive. The 8th sense allows the user to overcome the laws that Hades had created.

The concept of the 8th Sense is different between TLC and Kurumada's manga, I think this has been explained to you before.

In TLC, the 8th Sense does not grant any kind of immortality and regeneration, it is only a liberation of the soul.

This is even explained in Asmita's Gaiden, where he literally tells Ahimsa (Asmita's friend) that he cannot get a new body.

The cross-scale only works if both series have a similar concept, but this is not the case, and TLC is a manga written by a completely different author and Kurumada stopped participating in this manga.

9th Sense Users (Humans) Resistances​

This is a list of resistances all 9th Sense Users who are Humans would have. Along with all the other resistances previously mentioned.

• Improved resistance to Sense Manipulation and Perception Manipulation: By having an additional sense known as “The 9th Sense.”
• Improved resistance to Mind Manipulation: 9th Sense users "Minds" cease to exist upon awakening the 9th sense, and they then become devoid of a "mind" upon awakening it.

You need to clarify that this concept of the 9th Sense only exists in the world of Episode.G Assassin and Requiem, because it does not exist in any of the other manga of the franchise, Kurumada, Shiori and Kuori never mention this sense in their manga.

Resistances granted by receiving Divine Ichor​

Being given the blood of a God also helps resist certain abilities.

• Spatial Manipulation and Time Manipulation: Those who received the divine ichor were immune to changes in The Super Dimensional Space. Where time and space were in flux and never consistent.
• Curse Manipulation, and Void Manipulation: The Blood of Athena cured Dohko of the affects of Hades sword.
• Immortality Power Nullification: (Type 4) Hades Sword removes a being cut with it from the cycle of Samsara, but Athena’s blood prevents the removal.
• Law Manipulation, and Death Manipulation: Those who received the blood of Athena can enter the Underworld without consequence of Hades Law’s, or suffer from instantly dying upon going into the Underworld.
• Status Effect Inducement: The stats for those splashed with the Divine Ichor of a God cannot be lowered.

Again a different concept in works written by different authors.

The curse that Alone places on Dohko in TLC was never explained in that story and it is never mentioned that Dohko was going to die, he was even in that state for months and did not die in any way.

Athena cannot cure the curse of Hades, this is an important concept in Next Dimension, where it is literally said that she cannot cure Seiya and has to travel back in time to save his life.

Even Assassin and Requiem also follow this concept in their own way where it is clearly stated that they could never cure Seiya of the curse of Hades.

No, literally in the original manga it is clearly stated that not even the gods can enter the Underworld in the Taizen and the manga itself also explains this, only those who possess the Eighth Sense, a power that Athena does not have and that is why she needed Shaka to reveal the secret of the 8th Sense to her, can enter the Underworld.

Only the first and last part is correct.

Specters of Hades​

The Specters of Hades are warriors chosen by the Evil Stars. They are undead, and never dying warriors. In total their are 108 of these warriors. They have three ranks such as Terrestrial Star Specters, The Celestial Star Specters, and the 3 Judges.

The Specters of Hades are also 7th Sense Users. They would have all the abilities as other 7th Sense Users have in addition too;

These are the soldiers of Hades. They were granted abilities, and powers by Hades in exchange for eternal life.

• Immortality Types 1; 3; 7; 8; 9 and 5, and Regeneration (Mid-High): The Specters of Hades are filled with the Divine Will of Hades. They will continue to regenerate long as the Will of Hades remains within them. Additionally; the Specters of Hades are already dead by default, and they do not possess a concept of death. As a specter serving Hades, Aspros, regenerated from being a fetus, and another specter came back from being turned to a speck of Dust.
• Acausality: (Type 1, possibly Type 4) - Specters are are unaffected by the flow of time.

The Specters are not immortal in any way in the original manga, this probably only applies to TLC, and the no concept of death is only because they can move freely within the world of the dead. Aspros doesn't have any level of regeneration, it's just that the technique doesn't affect him because that wasn't his real body and the technique doesn't affect the undead as described at the time. Only the Wraiths that are part of 108 have regeneration in TLC (humans resurrected and turned into Specters do not have any level of regeneration (we saw this with the Silver Saints who were resurrected at the beginning of the manga) and this is only because Hades resurrects them and gives them a new body.

No, even Aspros was affected by the time stop of his enemy (that's why he uses the Another Dimension to counter it in his next fight), so they don't have any kind of casualty and was not affected only because of the limitation that this technique has and only affects the real body of the opponent, that's why Aspros pointed out that he couldn't affect the undead body like Specter.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Doing work around the house. Will respond later to that nonsense.

But same problem every time. Your trying forcefully impose your views on the series that aren't accepted on the wiki without any crt.

 

[StekFence]

The God Cloth does not grant that power, as explained in the manga this Cloth is only a manifestation of the cosmos of the Saints when it rises to infinity in the Hades Arc, the power that Bronze Saints reached at that moment was their own power, not the power of an armor.

Does it matter? seiya,shun,shiryu,Ikki,Hyoga, and tenma never take it off when they are fighting at that level.