Ryüko Matoi vs Mami Tomoe

[Kaltias]

@SD are you sure about magic being natural in PMMM? Isn't it tied to emotions? It's different from biology in my opinion

 

[SomebodyData]

Magic is tied to emotions in PMMM, ye. However, emotions are natural parts of biology in humans and some animals.

I can't think of any memes for now to post...

 

[Kaltias]

Well yeah, they are natural in the sense that you develop them spontaneously, but they aren't related to your DNA or something like this. While reactive evolution is.

 

[SomebodyData]

Actually, the ability to produce emotions does come from your DNA...

 

[Kaltias]

I meant that you don't need to manipulate your DNA to manipulate your emotion. Then again, this probably falls under verse equalization. KLK has Life Fibers, PMMM has magic

 

[SomebodyData]

I see, hmmm.

 

[ScarletFirefly]

Almost 50 messages later, only two votes are given -_-

 

[Ryukama]

Almost 50 messages later, only two votes are given -_-

Well some of those messages were just asking questions and Weissposting.

Also a little hypocritical that you add a new message to complain about too many messages and lack of votes when you didn't give a vote

 

[ScarletFirefly]

Weissposting.

Huh?

Also a little hypocritical that you add a new message to complain about too many messages and lack of votes. When you didn't give a vote

Yeah. I would like to participate, but I don't know anything about the other girl, so I'm gonna resort to my flowchart.

 

[Ryukama]

Huh?

Posting pictures and memes of Weiss.

Yeah. I would like to participate, but I don't know anything about the other girl, so I'm gonna resort to my flowchart.

Bruh look at the past messages. This is the one thread that negates the foresaken chart lol

 

[ScarletFirefly]

Oh wow, someone above posted my flowchart. Oi, copyrights. I'll see you in court.

 

[Kaltias]

Lol. "I wasn't here, if I was here I was sleeping, and if I was awake then i'm innocent".

 

[Kaltias]

Btw @Scarlet they both can one-shot each other and Mami has the AoE necessary to put Ryüko down for good, the debate is about who is more likely to strike before being killed.

 

[ScarletFirefly]

Btw @Scarlet they both can one-shot each other and Mami has the AoE necessary to put Ryūko down for good, the debate is about who is more likely to strike before being killed.

If the debate has gone to who strikes first, I will say that Ryuko is brash by nature and very likely to start fights. I dunno how Mami is though.

 

[Kaltias]

She is very likely to start the fight using binding magic against Ryüko. And she goes for the kill rather easily, but she would use an attack which doesn't immediately kill Ryüko (because it lacks the AoE) going with the AoE attack when she realize that Ryüko regenerated. Still, any attack that Ryüko throws at her would kill her. I tried to summarize the best I could but it's probably better if you read above because i'm bad at summaries.

 

[ScarletFirefly]

Well generally, when debates go to "who will act first", I'd say they are inconclusive because both scenarios can happen. But I'll probably give this a read when I have the time.

 

[Ryukama]

Oh wow, someone above posted my flowchart. Oi, copyrights. I'll see you in court.

I made a newer version of your chart. Hopefully it falls under fair use

 

[Kaltias]

Does Ryüko's stat amping fades away with time? Or do they stack on top of each other?

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

@Ryu

No, she has gotta use the Decapitation Mode.

oooohhh yessss

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Does Ryüko's stat amping fades away with time? Or do they stack on top of each other?

It stacks, its basically her version of Zenkai from Dragon Ball

 

[Kaltias]

Ok.

So, anyone else is voting, or you are all on the fence?

 

[Kaltias]

Bump

 

[Kaltias]

Bump

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Uh about Mami's power disable - is the only showing of tha when she was fighting Homura? Because remember that homura can only freeze time (for just herself at least) if she isn't in contact with the opponent or something conneted to them. Not to mention that she was completely wrapped up in ribbons so even if she could freeze time without bringing Mami into stopped time, she would still be trapped.

 

[SomebodyData]

Thing is, the ribbons weren't connected to Mami at the time, so the time freeze wouldn't include Mami. That's true, but if the ribbons weren't disabling her powers, she could just easily use her energy blasts or memory manipulation on Mami (remember this is just Wraith Arc Homura with her original equipment back).

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Wait, energy blasts? Memory manipulation?

I haven't read wraith arc, but isn't memory manipulation only witch/devil homura and I've never seen energy blasts. Isn't her whole thing that time freeze is her only power so she needs to use mundane weapons?

 

[SomebodyData]

Energy blasts were actually seen in ep 1, but are forgotten (like her force fields)

Memory Manipulation is an ability she gained through unknown reasons.

Nah, she has an array of abilities, like technological manipulation and wings, she just rarely uses it / people forget it. Her stat when it comes to abilities is a 7 if I remember correctly, which is significantly greater than any magical girl to date.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Are we sure her not using it wasn't just PIS, rather than Mami's ribbons having power null?

 

[SomebodyData]

Doubt it, PIS would suggest they got to a point in the plot that they needed to find a way to keep that scene possible as it is needed for the plot. Except that scene is actually not all that important, as Sayaka / Bebe would have intervened either way, unlike say, when Goku got stabbed by Beerus, so they had to have him heal for no reason.

There is also the fact that ribbons also nulled Homura on two other occasions, and stopped Charlotte from summoning familiars (forcing her to reveal her true form, ironically resulting in Mami's death.)

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Which other occasions?

 

[SomebodyData]

Homura's Revenge and in the original series, ep 3.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Haven't seen homura's revenge, but when Mami tied her up in ep 3, I just saw it as "even if she activates time stop she will still be trapped" rather than power null

 

[SomebodyData]

Like I said, she has more abilities to use than just time stop

Speaking of which, I need to add one or two (Due to Wraith Arc).

 

[Kaltias]

Bump

 

[AquaWaifu]

So did everyone forget Mami's ribbons are dealt with by Senketsu Senjin? like theres not even Ryuko would need to reactive evolve to counter it, she already has an ability to counter it.

 

[SomebodyData]

Is that form her 7-C form?

Or more specifically the form stated in the op?

I think you understand where I'm going with this...

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@SD Yes Ryuko has access to Senjin in her 7-C form

 

[SomebodyData]

@Weekly sorry edited comment.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

LFS Ryuko still has both Senjin and Shippu though

 

[SomebodyData]

No I mean that LFS Ryuko is the form specifically mentioned, it would be like having Frieza Saga Goku be in base due to op but go SSJ mid-fight.

Tho, then again, would she be able to transform under power disable?