Rwby students upgrade

[Twisted_Little_Raven]

It doesn't make sense to me that professional huntsman are at 7-B, but students are at 8-A. Pyrrha did well against an 7-B+,an 8-A would stand no chance at all. Tyrian was superior to students but he's not THAT much stronger than them. A 7-B is supposed to one shot any 8-A with no effort. Team ranger took attacks from Tyrian quite a few times. Pyrrha, should be like maybe low 7-B or 7-B, and regular students should be like 7-C. Honestly that's even low balling considering someone like Blake just knocked down a likely 7-B with no one hit, and easily knocked down Hazel. Actually I have always felt the top tiers being that much higher never made sense. I have always felt pro huntsman simply had more skill than the students with higher speed and some damage, other than that I don't think the gap is that much. was Ren aura even down after taking 2 direct hits from a bloodlusted Hazel? We saw electricity so probably not. Neo is 8-A, but easily defended against raven branwen she just knew she was outclassed. there's also more showings that don't make sense for them being 8-A when pros are 7-B, them being 7-C is low ball, but because of Pyrrha it should be like maybe low 7-B to maybe 7-B. The pros definitely aren't that much stronger, more skilled yes, but that's mainly it, that combat experience.

 

[Schnee_One]

Lemme just type this

<Did well against a 7B+

She was getting casually stomped the entire Fight

<The pros aren't that much stronger.

Yang struggled against Merc and Emerald and even would've lost to Mercury had he not heald back, Qrow casually forced Half Maiden Cinder Merc and Emerald to run, they're MUCH stronger

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Cinder was toying with Pyrrha the entire fight, Jaune and Pyrrha both acknowledging that Pyrrha didnt stand a chance against Cinder.

Tyrian was completely dominating all four members of Team JNPR simultaneously and even casually blocked a hit from a charged Nora with no difficulties.

Blake knocking Adam down is PIS as she literally acknowledged a few seconds later that if both her and Sun tried to go after him that Adam would beat them both.

Neo didnt defend against Raven, she dodged her attack and ran away.

 

[Schnee_One]

I still stand by that Adam should be 8A.

 

[The_Everlasting]

Tyrian was completely dominating all four members of Team JNPR simultaneously and even casually blocked a hit from a charged Nora with no difficulties.

This is on top of him literally laughing at their attacks and only suffering any kind of damage from them after his Aura was depleted.

 

[Twisted_Little_Raven]

Cinder was toying with Pyrrha the entire fight, Jaune and Pyrrha both acknowledging that Pyrrha didnt stand a chance against Cinder.

Tyrian was completely dominating all four members of Team JNPR simultaneously and even casually blocked a hit from a charged Nora with no difficulties.

Blake knocking Adam down is PIS as she literally acknowledged a few seconds later that if both her and Sun tried to go after him that Adam would beat them both.

Neo didnt defend against Raven, she dodged her attack and ran away.

Ehh she did block her attacks and then ran..and you don't know if she was toying, and her not standing a chance was more so.. well she's a maiden so why would Juane think Pyrrha would win?

Tyrian domainted was mostly due to skill, I said huntsman were stronger just not by that much to where they are all 7-B and students are 8-A. And it won't be PIS if they were upgraded, also ren aura was fine after taking 2 hard hits from Hazel.

 

[Twisted_Little_Raven]

Lemme just type this

<Did well against a 7B+

She was getting casually stomped the entire Fight

<The pros aren't that much stronger.

Yang struggled against Merc and Emerald and even would've lost to Mercury had he not heald back, Qrow casually forced Half Maiden Cinder Merc and Emerald to run, they're MUCH stronger

False. The fact that they also took hits form amber too.. and she was getting beat, but not causally stomped idk where you saw that at

 

[Schnee_One]

Smiling while laughing at your attacks is textbook toying

As for the Tyrian fight

Nora: THE STRONGEST ATTACK MY TEAM CAN MUSTER

Tyrian: Nope (Does literally nothing)

 

[LordGinSama]

I agree with Weekly here.

 

[Schnee_One]

False. The fact that they also took hits form amber too.. and she was getting beat, but not causally stomped idk where you saw that at

Took hits from Amber?

Where? I do not remember them tanking hits, just getting hit once and getting knocked back and doing zero damage, at best an outlier?

 

[Twisted_Little_Raven]

False. The fact that they also took hits form amber too.. and she was getting beat, but not causally stomped idk where you saw that at

Took hits from Amber?

Where? I do not remember them tanking hits, just getting hit once and getting knocked back and doing zero damage, at best an outlier?

They stop being outliers when it's consistent

 

[Schnee_One]

And since there's zero consistency, it's an outlier.

 

[ShieldsPlus]

I still stand by that Adam should be 8A.

This comment is correct, although considering that Blake is rated "At least 8-A" at this point in time, Adam would directly scale to it as well.

 

[Twisted_Little_Raven]

No, we have Pyrrha holding her own against a 7-B+, what does laughing have to do with anything? Kenpachi was laughing when Gerard was stronger than him.. cinder was laughing when raven was superior to her. that's just how cinder is.. and the rest of the consistency would be amber, Tyrian, Hazel, Adam.

 

[Schnee_One]

Holding your own means fighting on even ground, not getting stomped.

Kenpachi is a bad example, he was happy to see someone surpass and loves a good fight, Cinder has shown neither trait.

And the part in Raven vs Cinder is wrong.

 

[Schnee_One]

This comment is correct, although considering that Blake is rated "At least 8-A" at this point in time, Adam would directly scale to it as well.

A good MCB+ or so is capable of doing his feat at the end of volume 3.

 

[Twisted_Little_Raven]

Holding your own means not getting stomped. Not evenly.

 

[Schnee_One]

Having your best Attacks get shrugged off immediately after=Getting stomped

 

[Twisted_Little_Raven]

Also Tyrian blocking Nora attack wouldn't be 7-B justification. An at least 8-A with no feats wouldn't be jumped to 7-B because of something like that, they would be at " at least 8-A". He is a 7-B tho, it's not a good argument as to why he is 7-B.

 

[Schnee_One]

He's 7B for being comparable to other professional level characters such as Hazel and Tyrian.

And no one used an argument for why he was that way.

 

[Twisted_Little_Raven]

I know where it comes from, but you can't use that as to why it would be him 7-B. EM and merc took hits from amber quite a few times and could still go, ren took two hits from Hazel and his aura was fine. Blake knocked down two 7-B easily, Pyrrha, and then Tyrian bs gang. Where is 0 inconsistency? Thats consistent, there's probably more if I rewatched everything. Thats kinda the point tho, you can keep saying " outlier" but if it's consistent it's no longer an outlier, that's the point in trying to make

 

[ShieldsPlus]

Instead of trying to upgrade all of these characters higher, why not just look at the justifications for the 7-B rating, and think about whether that justification is correct or not?

In any case, I don't think the justification for City level, based on that cloud calculation is correct, for a multitude of reasons.

 

[Schnee_One]

I never did use it as a reason why he's 7B as I already stated.

<A few hits from Hazel

He didn't hit him he threw him, still enough to take him out of the fight.

<Two 7B? She hit one and immediately stated afterwards her and Sun can't take him.

The consistency is non-existent, as with most stuff in RWBY

 

[Twisted_Little_Raven]

I never did use it as a reason why he's 7B as I already stated.

<A few hits from Hazel

He didn't hit him he threw him, still enough to take him out of the fight.

<Two 7B? She hit one and immediately stated afterwards her and Sun can't take him.

The consistency is non-existent, as with most stuff in RWBY

We both know that knocking him down didn't mean she was superior, I never stated she was, but the fact she could says a lot. Also not being able to take someone on isn't a reason either, if a 7-B beats two 7-B he still gunna be 7-B.

 

[Schnee_One]

No it doesn't, we already said it was outlier.

You're looking at the 7B stuff in reverse. I quote Khrist above

 

[Twisted_Little_Raven]

Saying It's an outlier because she can't take him 2v1 isn't a good reason. Adam charged in reckless so he payed the price, no outlier. Nor does it mean Blake is stronger

 

[Schnee_One]

Why isn't it again? You have yet to prove why. At least not using arguments I haven't already went against

 

[Twisted_Little_Raven]

The only argument you used it being an outlier was she can't take him 2v1,i already said why that knock down happened. She can't take a more composed Adam in a fight, he lost his cool and charged in like a maniac when she had shadow as a semblance. He forgot about that and when he realized he got knocked down. Also it's not a good reason because... you can be 2x stronger than someone and still be on the same tier. 2x stronger can result in a stomp in anime. Hazel was knocked down as well. That can't be two outliers. that's where consistency comes in. And amber took awhile to take em, and merc. That's why it's not an outlier, a third consistent. Neo easily blocking raven attacks, thats 4, Pyrrha vs cinder that's 5, the gang taking hits from Tyrian and still being able to fight, 6, is there any more? Yes that's consistent.

 

[Schnee_One]

Please tell me how Blake managed to know someone who she never had a chance against not even 2 timeskips ago, gets one lucky hit, and then proceeds to never once do anything if that level again, plus I already said Adam shouldn't be 7B myself.

<Amber took a while to take him

Watched the fight, not even a minute after using her powers Cinder had to step in.

<Neo easily blocking Raven's attacks

Headcanon bullshit and is by far the most inconsistent lie I've ever seen for RWBY.

She dodged a single attack and ran she never easily blocked an attack, and her blocking an attack from a Maiden would mean Neo herself is as strong as Qrow.

Pyrrah vs Cinder, a fight where Pyrrah got lolrekt for my reasons above.

Tanking hits? You mean casual attacks that knocked out Ruby's aura in 3 hits? Nope.

 

[Twisted_Little_Raven]

Cause she got stronge.. even her profile says " much stronger than before "

< cinder had to step in

And?

? um No because she ran so she's not qrow level.. and raven there two attacks and the second knocked her back. It's hard to tell what happened it the first swing.

Pyrrha wasn't getting rekted. If I watch the fight I'll see cinder beating her but not " casually stomping" I think we might have a different idea on a stomp. Laughing doesn't mean anything, if she's stronger she will laugh, and?

You keep saying casual to justify everything. they all took hits from that man and could still fight. If they were not higher their aura would be done in one hit. Ren aura was fine after hits from Hazel, everything was offscreen mostly so you don't know wha happened. I saw his aura never went down, simple as that.

 

[Twisted_Little_Raven]

I'm making typos cause I'm rushing and I can't type with long nails

 

[Schnee_One]

(Breathes in)

(Cracks Knuckles)

<And?

You said it took a while for Amber to take down Emerald and Mercury, Im saying that's not the case.

<Pyrrah wasn't getting rekt

Throws her shield: Does jack. Spear does jack, a literally full fledged attack from her spear got hand grabbed.

So yes she did get destroyed, by a weakened Cinder who just killed Oz not even 5 minutes before, a WEAKNED Cinder wasn't hurt in the slightest

Because that's all I really need to do, at the end of the day without doing anything of note, being casual is not going to get you scaled. That's how we do things here.

 

[Twisted_Little_Raven]

You ignored what Pyrrha did to cinder. Also weakened cinder??! She showed no signs of fatigue of weakness. The fact she didn't die whenever Pyrrha landed hits is proof her aura was intact and therefore not weakened.

About amber, em and merc still took attack from her and was fine.. that's all you need

Yea being stronger than soemone doesn't means everything you did was causal. Sorry I'm not buying it.

 

[Twisted_Little_Raven]

Oh! Tyrian was laughing and being dumb when fighting qrow, just like he did vs ranger, was he causal there too? See? You can't used flaw logic like a char laughing

 

[Schnee_One]

I certainly didn't, you even go against an argument I made for it in the very next sentence.

<No signs of fatigue or weakness

This....Is a very good point actually, Cinder is visibly showing that she's trying her hardest against Ozpin and takes multiple direct hits to her aura, but even after she was in a fight with Oz, she never showed any fatigue, yet another point as to why Pyrrah had nothing on Cinder at all.

Knocked back and didn't get back up=/=Fine

And worth noting even after losing her aura her final attack knocked back and was about to Kill Emerald.

Not showing any sign of fatigue or strain or use of energy or effort=Casual

 

[Twisted_Little_Raven]

I'm not saying she went all out anyway, casually stomping would be if she never even used her power to begin with. Cinder vs juane was causal, but against Pyrrha she used a lot more effort.

<knocked back and didn't get back up

I mean that's not all that happened in that fight.

<and worth noting even after losing her aura her final attack knocked back and was about to kill emerald

I don't see what that has to do with anything. I'm using flawed logic as to why they should be upgraded anyway. As in certain profiles scratching someone= same tier or not getting one shotted.

That goes for Ren, em, merc, Pyrrha, Ruby, Nora you can't use that logic and not use it for other profiles.

The last part, yes that is causal. Not laughing.

 

[Schnee_One]

No it would be winning easily without effort, which is what happened, as I've had to repeat for the 7th time in a row on this very thread.

<Not all that happened

Such as her never doing anything of note to Amber.

<You can't use that logic and not use it for other profiles

And since I'm not it's a moot point.

Same difference.

Go ahead and repeat the exact same arguments thousands of times over, I continue to respond using the exact same arguments over and over and over and over and nothing will change.

No one agrees with the upgrade and it's going in circles and I want to sleep and not wake up to shit K already talked about a thousand times over so can someone close this?

 

[Twisted_Little_Raven]

I'm repeating because of not good arguments. So I continue to use it

 

[Schnee_One]

You continue to use arguments that are not good?

What is your reasoning for using them then?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pa_hIvM7AiY

 

[Twisted_Little_Raven]

They are, your replies contradict the tiering system of the wiki. I'm going strictly off stuff like not being one shotted equals same tier, taking multiple hits, same tier, etc etc cause there is a lot of that. So Ima use it everytime.