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Rule Violation Reports (New forum)

Agnaa said:
After considering it, I'm not sure about a one month ban.

Tensions started with a snide comment by That_moron2, which Vzearr responded to in kind. Vzearr then made a snide comment towards KingTempest. Kachon123 made a slightly snide comment about the thread as a whole. After which, Random-Helper323 vaguely told everyone to calm down. At this point, I don't think any comments made have been rule violations, but they have stepped up the temperature a bit, so it's understandable for Random to try to bring that back down.

After that, Vzearr made a direct and false insult against multiple users in the thread. That_moron2 responded with an image indicating they found Vzearr's post funny. Mr. Bambu warned Vzearr specifically, and people in the thread in general, over this. Bambu's warning makes sense; Vzearr's post was a rule violation and a significant escalation in that. That_moron's post was, to some degree, mocking, but not to the extent of being a rule violation; it's probably good to get them to calm down too, but their post is not the most important to tackle, there.

After which Vzearr made these largely-visible responses denying all wrongdoing, deflecting, and insulting people.

Taking all that (and his extensive history) into consideration, I'm not sure one month would be sufficient. I'd want something like 3 months, with it possibly getting reduced to 1 month on appeal. If he ultimately can't own up to his behaviour there being much worse than anyone else's, it's hard to trust him to act better when he returns; it's not really a moment where he was overcome with anger, he feels justified in this.

holy shit Agnaa arguing for a longer ban for someone being rude?!?
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My bad
 
Antvasima said:
I would much prefer if Vzearr only keeps his 1 month warning ban. His offences did not seem particularly severe, and he needs my help and I don't want his mental state to deteriorate further. 🙏
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If he's regularly finding conflict here, wouldn't an extended break actually be good for his mental health?
 
Anyway, it seems like nobody else wants to comment on it, and myself, Reiner, and DDM all seemed in favor of a warning for Napoleonic01, so I will give it now and add it to the tracker. If you disagree with that outcome then please say something.

@Napoleonic01
This is a warning.

We strive to foster a respectful community where civil debate can happen, and do not tolerate personal attacks. Several of your posts have been in violation of this and our rules.

Calling people mentally ill, calling them pests, unfairly accusing them of bias, telling them to go cry in the corner, etc. are all unacceptable and that kind of behavior must stop immediately.

If you find yourself getting heated over a discussion, I suggest stepping away for a bit rather than getting aggressive.
 
@Vzearr wanted the following appeal message to be posted. I complied because he was topic banned in the heat of the moment, and deserves a chance to voice things from a calmer state of mind.



Hi, I would like to at least make one message in the rvr stating that my mood swings due to bpd only really happen in regards to HST threads, and that it should be considered that because of my good behaviour and help to the wiki in other threads, that I would be a net positive on the wiki if unbanned and topic banned.

A one month ban would be negated by a topic ban and that would result in a positive effect on the wiki as long as users effected are not directly angry and frustrated at the topic ban



I find this generally unconvincing:
  • I do not believe that this has only happened in regards to HST threads. He was warned 1.5 months ago for similar behaviour in regards to a thread about destruction values. And we cannot forget his previous issues around Tokyo Revengers.
  • He told us when he admitted to sockpuppeting, and when he made the appeal which got him unbanned, that he was finally getting proper treatment. If, even with that, he was still having outbursts every ~2 months, with this latest one seemingly impairing his judgement for multiple hours without him self-correcting and stepping back, I do not believe that a few days away will noticeably mitigate the chance of this happening in the future.
  • Both this appeal, and the broader discussion I had with him surrounding it, seem similar to the other appeals he's made over other incidents in the past couple of months. I'm sensing a pattern, that when present earlier led to this very situation.
  • I'm not seeing a level of self-reflection and accountability I hoped for; he's still largely pushing off blame to others in the thread. The closest he gets is pinning it on his BPD mood swings, and does so without providing reasons he'd be able to act better in the face of those in the future.
And so, I suggest no action to be taken based on this.
 
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Well, Vzearr's recent misbehaviour seems to be due to very bad psychiatric overmedication, and I have personal extremely bad experiences with me becoming very psychotic, suicidally depressed, and uncontrolled in my thoughts and behaviour for several years because of the same reason. So I would prefer if our community shows compassion towards and does not condemn Vzearr. He has genuinely been trying his best to help, but his circumstances are extremely bad. 🙏
 
I have been aware of his BPD issues, though I am unsure of the severity. From my observations, his state has worsened over the past few months (2 or more), although I never confronted him about it. I am not certain of the best course of action, but if banning him from HST threads specifically helps his condition more than a site wide ban would, I would support that approach (Although we aren't obligated to accommodate him in this way but i'd still chose this). However, if his behavior does not improve after that, I would be open to severe punishments.
 
Antvasima said:
Well, Vzearr's recent misbehaviour seems to be due to very bad psychiatric overmedication, and I have personal extremely bad experiences with me becoming very psychotic, suicidally depressed, and uncontrolled in my thoughts and behaviour for several years because of the same reason. So I would prefer if our community shows compassion towards and does not condemn Vzearr. He has genuinely been trying his best to help, but his circumstances are extremely bad. 🙏
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Yeah, I'm just concerned that issues like that don't go away in a few days.

That's why I think it's best to wait at least a month, to see if he was able to work things out in the interim. I view three months as a sort of worst case, that he'll hopefully have developed better coping mechanisms by then regardless.
 
Well, it largely seems to depend on if he is fed destructive or helpful medicines, and by my experience, the western psychiatric medicine approach usually seems to be much more destructive than helpful. 🙏
 
Agnaa said:
@Vzearr wanted the following appeal message to be posted. I complied because he was topic banned in the heat of the moment, and deserves a chance to voice things from a calmer state of mind.



Hi, I would like to at least make one message in the rvr stating that my mood swings due to bpd only really happen in regards to HST threads, and that it should be considered that because of my good behaviour and help to the wiki in other threads, that I would be a net positive on the wiki if unbanned and topic banned.

A one month ban would be negated by a topic ban and that would result in a positive effect on the wiki as long as users effected are not directly angry and frustrated at the topic ban



I find this generally unconvincing:
  • I do not believe that this has only happened in regards to HST threads. He was warned 1.5 months ago for similar behaviour in regards to a thread about destruction values. And we cannot forget his previous issues around Tokyo Revengers.
  • He told us when he admitted to sockpuppeting, and when he made the appeal which got him unbanned, that he was finally getting proper treatment. If, even with that, he was still having outbursts every ~2 months, with this latest one seemingly impairing his judgement for multiple hours without him self-correcting and stepping back, I do not believe that a few days away will noticeably mitigate the chance of this happening in the future.
  • Both this appeal, and the broader discussion I had with him surrounding it, seem similar to the other appeals he's made over other incidents in the past couple of months. I'm sensing a pattern, that when present earlier led to this very situation.
  • I'm not seeing a level of self-reflection and accountability I hoped for; he's still largely pushing off blame to others in the thread. The closest he gets is pinning it on his BPD mood swings, and does so without providing reasons he'd be able to act better in the face of those in the future.
And so, I suggest no action to be taken based on this.
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I agree that we should stick to the decision we made on the ban length.
 
Antvasima said:
So I would prefer if our community shows compassion towards and does not condemn Vzearr. 🙏
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We can be compassionate (or at least supportive) towards him and firm on our policies at the same time.

I find it sensible to hold for at least a month before accepting a similar appeal.

We have an equal responsibility to the rest of the community, and we don't want to set a precedent where troublemakers are given excessive leniency just because they claim to have some kind of mental illness.
 
Antvasima said:
Yes, but I don't want us to condemn him as an individual. He is genuinely in an extremely bad situation currently. 🙏
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Well, I definitely don't condemn him, not that I'm really capable of it.

I've had periods in my life where I was far far worse than this. That it may have stemmed from mental illness is probably true, but I wouldn't judge anyone who set boundaries against me during that time.

In my experience, that kind of thing can only be solved from within, and I think most reasonable people here understand that these kind of online interactions are just a tiny sliver of a snapshot of a person who has had a life as complete and meaningful as their own.

That is to say, I don't think most people here do condemn him as an individual. I'd guess that most of us are sympathetic to the fact that life can be really hard and that can manifest in really nasty ways, but simply want to set some solid boundaries here so that hurt doesn't spread more than it has to.
 
Yes, that is much more reasonable. I am just saying that according to my experiences of being non-stop mind-raped for over 5 years because of this, sufficiently bad prescribed psychiatric medications can render somebody literally drugged completely out of their mind and incapable of controlling a resulting extremely severe schizophrenic psychosis and depression. 🙏
 
Necro on a year old CRT
vsbattles.com

Supersonic+ Half-Life and even higher.

There have been numerous calculations for a long time that have already been evaluated with a good view, many of them causing the current position of the profiles to be updated, as they need to be polished, such as Shepard profile. Although there are too many calculations to deal with in a...
vsbattles.com vsbattles.com
 
Lilybitdun said:
Necro on a year old CRT
vsbattles.com

Supersonic+ Half-Life and even higher.

There have been numerous calculations for a long time that have already been evaluated with a good view, many of them causing the current position of the profiles to be updated, as they need to be polished, such as Shepard profile. Although there are too many calculations to deal with in a...
vsbattles.com vsbattles.com
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Eh, don't think that's a rule violation
 
Lilybitdun said:
Necro on a year old CRT
vsbattles.com

Supersonic+ Half-Life and even higher.

There have been numerous calculations for a long time that have already been evaluated with a good view, many of them causing the current position of the profiles to be updated, as they need to be polished, such as Shepard profile. Although there are too many calculations to deal with in a...
vsbattles.com vsbattles.com
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Not a big deal, it happens, but I did close it to prevent further necro.

Unless @Pyro9278 thinks it's still relevant, in which case I'll reopen it.
 
An appeal message from Vzearr:

"Hey Ant,

I want to clarify a few things, to sort of contest the decision that has already been made although I do understand it, but I want to address the concerns raised about my accountability and patterns of behavior, along with my medication and new/increased medication..

First, I accept that my conduct in recent incidents was inappropriate, regardless of intent or contributing factors. While mental health issues and medication complications help explain why those incidents occurred, they do not excuse the impact they had on others or on the community. I understand that responsibility for managing my behavior ultimately rests with me, and I want to add that I assure you it wont happen again.

My frustration mainly relies regarding HST fans, and the only real recurring pattern happens with HST. Agnaa bought up a thread on destruction values as "evidence" as to why I shouldn't even be trusted to be on the site at all, which I believe is unjustified, the reasoning as to why is because Bambu's behaviour in that thread as a bureaucrat was nothing short of condescending which staff members accepted, so me being angry and having the slightest outburst that wasn't pursued much shouldn't be seen as evidence, in my opinion. However I DO accept I was out of line and should have pursued it with HR, especially when during that time I was on so many copious drugs that I wasn't even allowed to go to the gym for a set period of time due to the dizziness I was feeling and the drowsiness (prazosin).

Overall regarding the concern about a recurring pattern of appeals. I acknowledge that there has been a pattern of outbursts followed by appeals, and I understand why that undermines confidence in assurance that things will improve. That criticism is totally fair. Where I failed previously was in not clearly identifying concrete steps that would prevent recurrence, instead relying too heavily on context and explanations.

What would be different going forward, if and when I return, is not simply “trying harder to be good”, but implementing strict boundaries for myself:
  • I would avoid threads and topics that have repeatedly triggered loss of composure, regardless of personal investment for an extended period of time. Such as HST.
  • I would disengage immediately from discussions once I notice emotional escalation.
If these measures were to fail, I fully accept that further restrictions and bans would be justified.

I am not asking for special treatment. I understand the need to prioritize the broader community and to avoid setting precedents that weaken moderation standards. My intention here is only to demonstrate that I recognize where my previous appeals fell short and that I take the concerns raised seriously.

Thank you for reading, and for the patience that you guys have already shown."

I would personally much prefer if we reduce his ban to at most 1 month or so. 🙏
 
I will go back against my own words and comment on this situation again.

Ant, this is the exact thing they did for months in the private conversation. The exact same beats and pattern over and over. We have given them a decision, quite literally all they need to do is wait it out and think things through. But instead, they keep appealing over and over.

So no, I disagree with reducing the ban based on that.
 
Antvasima said:
My frustration mainly relies regarding HST fans, and the only real recurring pattern happens with HST. Agnaa bought up a thread on destruction values as "evidence" as to why I shouldn't even be trusted to be on the site at all, which I believe is unjustified, the reasoning as to why is because Bambu's behaviour in that thread as a bureaucrat was nothing short of condescending which staff members accepted
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Several people, including staff members, asked me to report this when it happened, and I chose not to out of sympathy. However, since I believe it is relevant to Vzearr’s appeal, I think it should be brought up now.

Vzearr’s actions are not limited to HST. He frequently antagonizes others without reason, then dismisses it as "trolling" when confronted, and goes on to accuse others of being biased against him. While I understand that I am not a staff member, I strongly encourage you to consider that Vzearr has been given many chances. At this point, allowing him time to step back and reflect on his behavior may be the most appropriate course of action.
 
Okay. I seem to be outvoted here then. 🙏
 
The vote is now 8-3. The consensus is clear. Vzearr is to remain banned for 3 months.

I genuinely hope we don't have to revisit this again and that Vzearr doesn't pester us with more nonsense appeals that waste our time. He needs to accept that "no" means "no", that he serves out the 3 month ban that has been given to him as voted by the staff, and that other people do not try to drag this out any further.
 
  1. Sahl didn't say "the comedy of this guy", they said "a comedy debating with this guy" and "this guy is so funny man".
  2. Neither of those are accusations or real insults, so I'd advocate for no action.
 
Kisaragi_Megumi said:
I just stumbled upon this, is this report worthy, note that this person act so childish which has been a issue in a while: https://vsbattles.com/threads/genshin-low-2-c-for-everyone-need-to-go.186192/post-7439104

The main issue of this is the accusations on Weaver by calling him "the comedy of this guy" which is pretty petty to say
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I agree with Agnaa here.
KLOL506 said:
The vote is now 8-3. The consensus is clear. Vzearr is to remain banned for 3 months.

I genuinely hope we don't have to revisit this again and that Vzearr doesn't pester us with more nonsense appeals that waste our time. He needs to accept that "no" means "no", that he serves out the 3 month ban that has been given to him as voted by the staff, and that other people do not try to drag this out any further.
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I know this is already concluded, but at to show I am at least following the thread and that "Simply kudosing comments isn't enough," I'm also in agreement with the majority and that he should wait out the agreed ban length.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
I know this is already concluded, but at to show I am at least following the thread and that "Simply kudosing comments isn't enough," I'm also in agreement with the majority and that he should wait out the agreed ban length.
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For the record, I only counted votes that were comments, not kudoses.

In any case, it's already concluded and the 3 month ban will stand, but now the vote is at 9-3.
 
Random-Helper323 said:
This thread's OP keeps communicating in Russian despite me asking them not to, and they also keep making edits to their target page without approval complete with calling the people who disagree "stupid".
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I have now asked this person to communicate in English three times, and thus far the first two times have been unsuccessful. They have at least at the moment stopped editing their targeted page.
 
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