Rule Violation Reports (New forum)

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

I’m not sure what a thread ban even is, but basically the only way to keep us from arguing is to just let him walk all over me as he downgrades Pokemon, and by seeing what kind of person Jinx is and watching him badmouth me even in RVR, I do not trust him to do that in the absolute slightest.

 

[Jinx666]

I've made 0 attempts at trying to downgrade Pokemon, as much as I dont agree with the compositing tiers. I've made multiple profiles that follow this verses's profiling standards against my own thoughts.

Overall: I'm fine with a thread ban (temporary hopefully), but i do not want to be exempt from any discussions brought up about including Masters EX scaling in the future based on this, even if Pazdera is present. I will try not to respond to him, but given hes the only one pushing for Masters EX content and is familiar with it, that will be difficult. I can try not to squabble, and will report to an active mod privately should they make any aggressive/sarcastic statements instead of me responding to it.

 

[Antvasima]

Should I make both of them unable to see each other's posts in lack of better options?

 

[Vietthai96]

Should I make both of them unable to see each other's posts in lack of better options?

pretty much the only viable option, in my opinion. Their bickering isn't reaching the point where we need to ban them, but at the same time, said back-and-forth also greatly affect others, so make both of them unable to see each other's posts, which prevent their interaction, is the best way

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Should I make both of them unable to see each other's posts in lack of better options?

Yes, I have called for this before, and it seems like the only solution that can stop this. Not to mention @Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera actually agrees with the mute.

I would be absolutely fine with that, because I never instigate anything with Jinx and he always comes to me to argue.

 

[Antvasima]

Should I make both of them unable to see each other's posts in lack of better options?

pretty much the only viable option, in my opinion. Their bickering isn't reaching the point where we need to ban them, but at the same time, said back-and-forth also greatly affect others, so make both of them unable to see each other's posts, which prevent their interaction, is the best way

@Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera @Jinx666

Can the two of you make a great effort to discuss Pokémon as respectfully as possibly with each other in the future, and not make any more personal attacks, or do I have to make you unable to view each other's posts?

 

[Jinx666]

I can discuss as respectfully as I can, and if Sean is breaching anything, then i'll talk to a mod instead of responding to him I suppose. I would want other people to actually call him out when necessary in that stead too.

I still need to see what he's saying overall if he's now given reign to add Masters Ex content onto profiles, and I would still like to put my two cents in whenever. The conclusion of the CRT has only opened up way more conversations about Masters EX than it needed to so its inconvenient to then block me from any conversation regarding it (since Sean will be the only one actually attempting to bring it up). From now on i will also keep my own independent tabs on our interactions in case of any future interactions

 

[FinePoint]

if Sean is breaching anything, then i'll talk to a mod instead of responding to him

This would solve half of the drama on the entire wiki and what I would suggest in most instances of genuine conflict.

I'd suggest we give them one more chance since they're otherwise productive in every other aspect it seems. If that fails, Ant should prevent them from seeing each other's posts. If that fails, we move on to thread bans.

 

[Antvasima]

That seems reasonable.

Are you also willing to make an effort in these regards, Sean?

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

I certainly would be, but this isn't exactly the first time I've tried to get Jinx to stop talking to me.

Pokemon Discussion Thread - Red & Blue arc

Masters Ex adds side-piece character lore, which is appreciated but ultimately not important. Thats as far as it goes in terms of 'canon', since thats the only official statement on it and not your reaches. You only think its huge because you take every single thing literally (like Olivia...

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[Antvasima]

I meant that if you have to talk with each other about a revision, you both need to stop attacking or being toxic to each other.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Another issue is on what to do with my Calem and Gloria profiles.

When I originally posted their profiles, Jinx went to the mods and told them that because it has Masters content on it, that means the entire profile should be deleted... and kept telling them that until they eventually did so, setting the dangerous precedent that Masters is treated as noncanon on this site.

I altered my profiles to remove every mention of Masters from it, posting them again.

Eventually, my CRT against this Masters being noncanon rule passed, and it was finally deemed as canon and able to be used, so I re-altered my profile to include everything I cut out.

Jinx immediately undid my revisions because he thinks he can just delete shit from my profiles whenever he wants, prompting yet another argument.

Now that this is hopefully ended, should the Masters stuff return, or should they stay how they are?

 

[Therefir]

If Masters was considered canon in a CRT, then your edits should obviously come back. If Jinx has a problem with that they can always make a CRT.

If anyone sees any strange or unaccepted edits, please report them in the Wiki Vandalism Reports thread and they will be handled there.

 

[Sparkive]

If Masters was considered canon in a CRT, then your edits should obviously come back. If Jinx has a problem with that they can always make a CRT.

If anyone sees any strange or unaccepted edits, please report them in the Wiki Vandalism Reports thread and they will be handled there.

I haven't seen what the edits are, but the CTR was for the Pokemon Master canon. I'm pretty sure they never discussed what those changes mean (meaning all the possible additions coming from Master should still be discussed)
or am I wrong?

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

I haven't seen what the edits are, but the CTR was for the Pokemon Master canon. I'm pretty sure they never discussed what those changes mean (meaning all the possible additions coming from Master should still be discussed)
or am I wrong?

Well, it being canon means that all feats from Masters are now usable.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

It's secondary canon, so I do think it'd require a CRT.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

It's secondary canon, so I do think it'd require a CRT.

Secondary means it's canon unless it contradicts mainline.

 

[Therefir]

I haven't seen what the edits are, but the CTR was for the Pokemon Master canon. I'm pretty sure they never discussed what those changes mean (meaning all the possible additions coming from Master should still be discussed)

Yes, if they involve new abilities or feats, they need to be discussed as well in a separate thread.

 

[Jinx666]

Without replying to anyone specifically

I never called for the profiles to be deleted. I reported it to the thread and asked them to be moved to a blog (not deleted). This decision was underwent by the mods, who also agreed with others chipping in, without me needing to 'mentally manipulate' anybody. This was because Masters EX in itself is separate content and everyone else on the Pokemon thread aside from Sean agreed that Masters EX needs to be discussed better before being added to profiles.

Masters EX was not confirmed mainline canon in the thread. Although i still dont think people have a good grasp or idea just how different Masters EX is in its own direction compared to mainline (that just doesn't line up), It is still not on par with overwriting mainline, so it cant just be freely added. The very recent game Legends ZA further deconfirms a ton of aspects about Masters as another timeskip based game.

The outcome of the recent thread was that all Masters EX content needs to go through a case by case analysis, because although we wanna call it 'secondary canon'. it actively contradicts the mainline multiple times in itself and doesnt fit with what happens in the games. It genuinely doesnt. That means they cant be included until its actively agreed upon. Either Sean is confused or its being ignored when claimed as just 'canon'.

Also yes, it would be great to establish some ground rules on what from Masters EX to consider canon if we're really going for this solution, however right now i believe it would only end in squabbling and be ultimately unproductive. So i'd give it time at the least

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Without replying to anyone specifically

I never called for the profiles to be deleted. I reported it to the thread and asked them to be moved to a blog (not deleted). This decision was underwent by the mods, who also agreed with others chipping in, without me needing to 'mentally manipulate' anybody. This was because Masters EX in itself is separate content and everyone else on the Pokemon thread aside from Sean agreed that Masters EX needs to be discussed better before being added to profiles.

Masters EX was not confirmed mainline canon in the thread. Although i still dont think people have a good grasp or idea just how different Masters EX is in its own direction compared to mainline (that just doesn't line up), It is still not on par with overwriting mainline, so it cant just be freely added. The very recent game Legends ZA further deconfirms a ton of aspects about Masters as another timeskip based game.

The outcome of the recent thread was that all Masters EX content needs to go through a case by case analysis, because although we wanna call it 'secondary canon'. it actively contradicts the mainline multiple times in itself and doesnt fit with what happens in the games. It genuinely doesnt. That means they cant be included until its actively agreed upon. Either Sean is confused or its being ignored when claimed as just 'canon'.

Also yes, it would be great to establish some ground rules on what from Masters EX to consider canon if we're really going for this solution, however right now i believe it would only end in squabbling and be ultimately unproductive. So i'd give it time at the least

"Moving something to a blog" is deleting it.

Even here you still try to grift to people that Masters is actually secretly noncanon.

 

[Random-Helper323]

Would you two stop this?

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Would you two stop this?

Apologies. He's already noncanonized Masters once.

 

[Jinx666]

Would you two stop this?

???

I literally wasn't talking to him, he responded to me saying im grifting. EDIT: And continues to try and put me in a hotseat (Masters Ex was never canonized to begin with)

Im really confused on what rules as me 'arguing' with him now. It's going to be grating if you consider every little thing i say that responds to a claim of his (indirectly) about the canon as me arguing with him. It feels like whenever Sean is going to start responding to me now, you're just gonna lump us together.

 

[Random-Helper323]

Apologies. He's already noncanonized Masters once.

Calling Jinx a grifter doesn't help your case.

???

I literally wasn't talking to him, he responded to me saying im grifting.

Im really confused on what rules as me 'arguing' with him now. It's going to be grating if you consider every little thing i say that responds to a claim of his (indirectly) as me arguing with him.

You didn't have to bring it back up here again. You're also talking about the Pokemon stuff which derails the RVR thread.

Now, will you two please stop posting in the RVR thread, so admins can figure out what best to do?

 

[Jinx666]

I was responding to the points made in RVT above. People have shown they dont know how the thread concluded and its being actively discussed by others. Pokemon stuff was already being talked about, and this latest topic wasn't even brought up by me

 

[Vietthai96]

For the last time, the issue was you two bickering, not about Master Pokemon. We staff simply warned you two in order for both of you to stop the hostility, which start to affect other members. You guys could discuss Master Pokemon stuff in a completely different place

Case closed, @Jinx666 @Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera

If you two don't have anything to report, then please refrain from comment on RVR thread

 

[Jinx666]

And I wasn't bickering just now. So I'm unsure why i was lumped in when Sean actively responded to me. Makes me concerned how people are going to manage this imposed compromise if i'm going to be unfairly called on.

But w/e as long as its done with and people know the actual outcome of the CRT.

 

[Vietthai96]

And I wasn't bickering just now. So I'm unsure why i was lumped in when Sean actively responded to me.

But w/e as long as its done with and people know the actual outcome of the CRT.

I'm not talking about those recent comment of your, i'm talking about the reason why you two was reported, so if you don't have anything new to add, stop posting on RVR thread, stop bringing Master Pokemon stuff to RVR

Also you said don't lump you with him when you literally started another Master Pokemon stuff directly on RVR thread; if you didn't bring up Master Pokemon, would he replies to you in this thread?. You are the reason, and he is the result of that reason, simple

 

[Jinx666]

I know why I was reported, and why this started. That was never being contested. Part of the reason i feel the need to respond is that because, just like right now, people are getting the wrong idea.

I didn't start this recent topic whatsoever. I woke up like, 2 hours ago and checked all the posts that were STILL talking about it and being discussed by multiple people. It was in fact Sean that brought up the case of those Masters EX 'deleted profiles' further. (and now you're forcing me to bring him up again because i'm being wrongly accused for something)
Sounds more like excuses are being made for him responding to my posts, where he's actively calling me a grifter and stirring, meanwhile when i actually try clear things up that people are confused by (such as the outcome of the CRT), people are out here saying that i'm starting all this.

Genuinely cant win. Its part frustrating that no one else is actively seeing this. Constantly being blamed for stuff and lumped in on things I didn't do, then expected to just let people say these things (who have an authority, so its not like its even just a random user saying stuff)

 

[Vietthai96]

I know why I was reported, and why this started. That was never being contested. Part of the reason i feel the need to respond is that because, just like right now, people are getting the wrong idea.

I didn't start this recent topic whatsoever. I woke up like, 2 hours ago and checked all the posts that were STILL talking about it and being discussed by multiple people. It was in fact Sean that brought up the case of those Masters EX 'deleted profiles' further. (and now you're forcing me to bring him up again because i'm being wrongly accused for something)
Sounds more like excuses are being made for him responding to my posts, where he's actively calling me a grifter and stirring, meanwhile when i actually try clear things up that people are confused by (such as the outcome of the CRT), people are out here saying that i'm starting all this.

Genuinely cant win. Its part frustrating that no one else is actively seeing this. Constantly being blamed for stuff and lumped in on things I didn't do, then expected to just let people say these things (who have an authority, so its not like its even just a random user saying stuff)

And i just wake up to work from my noon break and this thing happened again despite all of this should be done already you two either stop interacting or bring that topic to elsewhere

Oke, i missed his intitial comment before your about the deleted profile, it is my mistake i admit, just woke up and see another bickering on RVR. However you could just make a simple address on the deleted profile part and stop yet you went on a lot longer than that, pretty much started another debate on Pokemon stuff, dragging the topic futher which again, not add anything to the already closed case. So my point still stand, you could be simple and concise, but went on a lot longer than necessary, which is also the reason for him to react at you.

And i already pinged both of you and said that if you two don't have anything new to add then just stop commenting which of course the comment pointed toward both of you. If you want clear stuff about Pokemon, as Therefir has said, make a CRT

He called you grifter is very bad, yes, but he was warned by Random Helper, i simply didn't feel the need to repeat it. We didn't even punish you or him, just asked you two to stop all this. Master Pokemon stuff should be elsewhere, not here

 

[Jinx666]

It didnt start another debate and 'went on longer than i needed', i responded to everything i could that i was asleep for, and invited nothing to it. All Pazdera did was reply with a two sentence post where half of it was dedicated to trying to insult me (which i didnt respond to. I responded to Random making it seem as if I was arguing). Im not gonna just be held liable on that, at least not for a 'pack it in you two!' like i was saying anything. Theres Inequal blame on these things

You're only now just saying this 'simple and concise' thing (and i was). It feels now you're just shifting goal posts because apparently typing over four points is 'on me', and that means i prompted Sean to insult me (he didnt even respond back to the actual points). Now it makes me concerned how things will go on the future if people are goign to jump the gun and blame me equally for stuff Sean says (I prioritise my own standing), while i prioritise the stance of the actual situation being reported.

Well i did have something to add given people were still confusing the CRT outcome, meanwhile Sean was actively saying 'Masters EX is now considered canon!' yet again to delude people. Sorry this topic has gone on longer than expected but you're blaming the wrong person, i left it alone until people allowed Sean to start it up again. Then you're claiming that "You are the reason, and he is the result of that reason, simple"

Yeah, yet i was still being lumped and blamed for things I didnt do. If thats gonna happen, like right now, then i think I have every right to argue that notion. Especially when no one has the full picture, and im now put on high alert after this incident


Whatever though. Unless you want to say anything else, I'm done whenever. I just heavily dislike this example of how people are gonna be so quick to judge and think im doing anything just for the mere action of....Sean responding and insulting me. I'll happily defend that.

 

[Antvasima]

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You continuous help would be very appreciated here.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Battle of Pride (Vegeta vs Escanor) (Dragon Ball vs Nanatsu no Taizai)

They ain't ever coming bro 💀 I highly disagree with this, because Vegeta isn't the type to do that but eh. It is true that the current distance creates a issue for him. I mean I could try changing the distance to 10 km to see if that'll make any new arguments, but considering we're already at...

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Battle of Pride (Vegeta vs Escanor) (Dragon Ball vs Nanatsu no Taizai)

They ain't ever coming bro 💀 I highly disagree with this, because Vegeta isn't the type to do that but eh. It is true that the current distance creates a issue for him. I mean I could try changing the distance to 10 km to see if that'll make any new arguments, but considering we're already at...

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This looks concerning tbh, especially the person come to that thread just for making that disturbing jokes

 

[Random-Helper323]

Battle of Pride (Vegeta vs Escanor) (Dragon Ball vs Nanatsu no Taizai)

They ain't ever coming bro 💀 I highly disagree with this, because Vegeta isn't the type to do that but eh. It is true that the current distance creates a issue for him. I mean I could try changing the distance to 10 km to see if that'll make any new arguments, but considering we're already at...

vsbattles.com

Battle of Pride (Vegeta vs Escanor) (Dragon Ball vs Nanatsu no Taizai)

They ain't ever coming bro 💀 I highly disagree with this, because Vegeta isn't the type to do that but eh. It is true that the current distance creates a issue for him. I mean I could try changing the distance to 10 km to see if that'll make any new arguments, but considering we're already at...

vsbattles.com

This looks concerning tbh, especially the person come to that thread just for making that disturbing jokes

I asked them to stop the jokes.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Yeah, get that shit out of there.

@Superscharbe never do this again. Those types of jokes are very sensitive topics and just prone to heavy red flags.

 

[Superscharbe]

@Superscharbe never do this again. Those types of jokes are very sensitive topics and just prone to heavy red flags.

What jokes?This Meme template?

 

[Random-Helper323]

What jokes?This Meme template?

You know exactly what jokes DDM means, and obvious sarcasm isn't a good look.

All the sexual jokes.

 

[Superscharbe]

You know exactly what jokes DDM means, and obvious sarcasm isn't a good look.

All the sexual jokes.

Their was not a single joke,let alone jokeS.

I made 2 posts with one of them being the Meme.

If you cant tell me what post you are talking about,then you guys are clearly just power abusing.Pretty sure mods like you can still see deleted posts hence feel free to quote it

 

[Greatsage13th]

Their was not a single joke,let alone jokeS.

I made 2 posts with one of them being the Meme.

If you cant tell me what post you are talking about,then you guys are clearly just power abusing.Pretty sure mods like you can still see deleted posts hence feel free to quote it

Superscharbe, restrain yourself.

 

[Random-Helper323]

Their was not a single joke,let alone jokeS.

I made 2 posts with one of them being the Meme.

The memes and sexual jokes. You literally say here that you know which posts Medeus means, thus demonstrating that you were trolling before when you pretended not to understand.

If you cant tell me what post you are talking about,then you guys are clearly just power abusing.Pretty sure mods like you can still see deleted posts hence feel free to quote it

You're being unreasonable on purpose. Cut the jokes, the memes, the trolling, all of it. All you're doing is adding being uncooperative to the inappropriate memes issue.