Rule Violation Reports (New forum)

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I do not remember the situation, and Lina has been talking with me in private messages and seems to have an extremely different recollection of it from Matthew's version. I have been trying to convince him to let go of old grudges and not cause any further problems, so I would prefer to solve this situation peacefully if possible.

Do not take his word he is a pathological liar and he is misleading you. What he says in private to you doesn't matter if the testimony of multiple other people are very different. He is a known harrasser who tried to dox Sera, he should be gone forever with no chance of ever getting unbanned and that's final. If you believe him you are very, very naive.

 

[TheGatememer]

While I don't know much, if he attempted to dox someone, then I think thats far more than enough for a ban.

 

[Moritzva]

No.

Antvasima, that's not a solution I can settle for.

I have seen far nicer and far less problematic people get punished far more. What Shields has done has been incredibly and horribly offensive and crude, and this is a constant history of action that repeats again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again. I refuse to settle for a "peaceful solution" because Shields himself doesn't want it.

Sera, on that very thread, said the following in response to Shield's bold and horribly offensive attacks -

Lina / Shields, whatever you want to be called, stop talking to me. I don’t want anything to do with you given our history. Back off.

... He responded by immediately going to her message wall and digging in further.

Ban him permanently. Nothing else. I see zero room for compromise here and I refuse to consider anything else when given a user who refuses diplomacy, refuses change, and doesn't even HIDE his contempt.

I am pushing forward with banning ShieldsPlus permanently and I see no way that my opinion will change.

 

[Antvasima]

I was not aware of that he was involved in any doxing. Please elaborate.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I was not aware of that he was involved in any doxing.

He was. He and other banned users in 2018 tried to infiltrate a private Google Hangouts group Sera was in where they pretended to be friendly, got pictures of Sera's family members and of her baby that she had shared there among people she trusted, and then brought them to their own private discord group where they tried to prove the pictures were either fake or stolen.

He also tried forcing Sera into sharing a picture of a family member's bare chest to prove she had done heart surgery Sera once stated she did as the reason for her inactivity on the wiki. Said family member was 13 years old.

 

[Antvasima]

Anyway, I have a notoriously bad sense of judgement when it comes to handling social drama.

@AKM sama @Promestein @Ryukama

We need your help here.

 

[ShieldsPlus]

I have been trying to convince him to let go of old grudges and not cause any further problems,

Tbh, I was genuinely willing to let this go with this whole drama bs and all, but then when the when the first day that I come back here, I get an attempted frame as a nazi (and whatever you guys said in VSC about my existence), it does not exactly help the situation, at all.

He is a known harrasser who tried to dox Sera, he should be gone forever with no chance of ever getting unbanned and that's final

Since when? No way I wasn't the one that attempted to dig out old pics of Sera, you already caught someone else and banned the discord group for that. Mind you, I was actually banned from that group months before that Discord incident happened so...whatever happened in that incident? I wasn't a direct part of it.

And four out of the five posts that @Moritzva posted as evidence? They're not there? You guys must have deleted them, so let's just keep them deleted and not bring them back up, yea?

 

[Antvasima]

Matthew:

Yes, I remember that a few members of a Discord group did that, but I was not aware of that Lina Shields was directly involved.

 

[Moritzva]

To my knowledge, he has, Ant! He has been a part of and assistant to those who doxxed*, and more!

And even if he hasn't? Ban him anyways. He has still shown ZERO signs of change or redemption across literal years - Ant, you have been so kind, so lenient, and I really appreciate that in you. You are excellent at dealing with people who just need a chance to change, and that's fair enough. People like you need to exist to help people who just made a single mistake.

This is not one of those moments, though. Please realize that, and please agree that ShieldsPlus needs to be permanently banned for his refusal to be remotely constructive or diplomatic, not to mention past crimes of lying, destabilization, and doxxing.

 

[Sera_EX]

Lina wasn’t part of any actual doxxing, that much I can say.

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

I doubt my opinion is needed in this situation so I apologize if it's unneascary, but if you have such a grudge against someone that you attempt to dox them and their children? That's a level of toxicity and mean spirited nature that shouldn't be tolerated whatsoever, especially coupled with Shields harassing Sera even when Sera didn't want him to talk to her.

 

[Moritzva]

And four out of the five posts that @Moritzva posted as evidence? They're not there? You guys must have deleted them, so let's just keep them deleted and not bring them back up, yea?

Stop that. Don't act ignorant. You posted them - one of which, you posted AGAIN after it was deleted. Claiming that "it's okay, it was deleted" is an idiotic defense and you shouldn't use it.

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

lina was not involved on doxing according to sera

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Lina wasn’t part of any actual doxxing, that much I can say.

He wasn't the one who got the pictures himself but he was part of the same group obsessing over you.

 

[Antvasima]

Sera just stated herself that Lina is innocent of the Discord group's activities, and Lina said that he was banned from that group months before they caused problems, so it seems best if we drop that part of the charges.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Sera just stated herself that Lina is innocent of the Discord group's activities, and Lina said that he was banned from that group months before they caused problems.

What she meant is that he wasn't the one who personally got the picture. Why are you absolutely so quick to defend Lina and trust his word over others? I am telling you that he constantly lies to you for sympathy and it evidently works.

He should be banned regardless of his empty platitude promises to stay out of trouble.

 

[Moritzva]

To clarify, Sera says he encouraged doxxing, rather than directly doing it himself, though she can clarify in better detail than me. So I'd advise against "dropping" that part of the charges, as encouraging something is far from innocence. Even if we removed those charges entirely, he's still a horribly rude and aggressive person who has been going on for years - years! - and has listened to no attempt at calming down and letting things go. Ban-worthy to me.

Since I lack context on the past, I will completely leave that to Sera, Matt, and others to explain in detail, so I advise you take their words much higher than mine on it.

Then again, I'm still pushing for a permanent ban.

 

[Sera_EX]

I didn’t say he was innocent, I said he didn’t dox anyone. Hell, by definition, Flo didn’t dox me either (it was more like a failed attempt), but doxxing is not at all even the reason I want him gone.

That doesn’t change his provocative attitude towards me or Matt, which is just a continuation of the drama from back then.

That is what we should be focused on here.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, to me it seems like Lina is innocent of any doxxing attempts at least.

I used to talk with him a lot in private to help him out with his mental problems, and he is rather mentally unstable and paranoid, yes, but that is also it according to my experience.

 

[Moritzva]

I didn’t say he was innocent, I said he didn’t dox anyone. Hell, by definition, Flo didn’t dox me either (it was more like a failed attempt), but doxxing is not at all even the reason I want him gone.

That doesn’t change his provocative attitude towards me or Matt, which is just a continuation of the drama from back then.

That is what we should be focused on here.

Yes. Let's take a step back and refresh this argument and focus on the primary thesis of the original report, rather than arguments over how bad "encouraging doxxing" is or similar, as that's only going to detract from what we objectively have him doing right in front of us, again.

 

[Antvasima]

I didn’t say he was innocent, I said he didn’t dox anyone. Hell, by definition, Flo didn’t dox me either (it was more like a failed attempt), but doxxing is not at all even the reason I want him gone.

That doesn’t change his provocative attitude towards me or Matt, which is just a continuation of the drama from back then.

That is what we should be focused on here.

Okay. Noted. To be fair, Matthew started out by calling him a Nazi, and Lina tends to get severe hangups about accusations like that, but yes, let's focus on the other issues.

 

[Moritzva]

Well, to me it seems like Lina is innocent of any doxxing attempts at least.

I used to talk with him a lot in private to help him out with his mental problems, and he is rather mentally unstable and paranoid, yes, but that is also it according to my experience.

You are being manipulated and lied to. I'm sorry to say that, Ant, but you're a kind, very kind soul, and it's being abused as a weapon to allow him to continue attacking Sera.

I'll see if I can get in contact with Prom and AKM to get them to comment on this.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. I am not as good as AKM and Promestein at handling this sort of situation, yes, but I do have long experience with Lina, and he just seems unstable, obsessive, and paranoid, not remotely malicious.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I used to talk with him a lot in private to help him out with his mental problems, and he is rather mentally unstable and paranoid, yes, but that is also it according to my experience.

You do realize he just uses this as a defense against any of his actions because he knows you suffer from mental health problems yourself and therefore you're going to be sympathetic to him? Any mental issue he claims to have or not have is utterly irrelevant and doesn't exempt Lina from the consequences of his actions. If anything, it is more evidence that he should be isolated from the wiki.

 

[Antvasima]

Lina isn't that manipulative. His problem is that he is too freespoken, not too deceptive. My evaluations of his mental state are my own, not his.

 

[Sera_EX]

Matt and I had episodes of depression and mental instability as well. That doesn’t excuse our past actions, it merely provides context to them. Again, if he leaves me alone I don’t care if he stays, but by extension he should probably leave Matt alone as well.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Lina isn't that manipulative. His problem is that he is too freespoken, not too deceptive.

As someone who's been on private discord groups with him, he is. He is manipulative and he knows what he's doing when he talks to you in DMs. You are wrapped around his thumb its sad to see it.

 

[Moritzva]

Well, if Ant agrees he is not the greatest social judge (meaning it would be harder for him to recognize Lina being manipulative or acting in bad faith), then we'll get AKM or Prom on it (I haven't seen Ryu around so I'm not sure if I'll be able to get him on this, but I'm sure the other two wouldn't mind leaving their opinions). I trust their opinions, and Ant, you do too, right?

Let's step back for a moment and wait for the two of them rather than dragging out this thread too long, okay?

 

[Antvasima]

He just seems to feel that he has been treated very unfairly in recent PMs with me, and I am trying to reason with him about it, that's it.

Anyway, Sera seems to be fine with that he stays if he permanently relents with his behaviour.

Also, Promestein and AKM are better at handling this sort of issue than me, yes.

 

[Ped2018]

I'll see if I can get in contact with Prom and AKM to get them to comment on this.

Moritzva, this may sound stupid but, you know that you can just tag other people, right?!

 

[Moritzva]

They have been tagged earlier, iirc. I'm referring to Discord, as they'll probably respond on there faster.

 

[Ped2018]

They have been tagged earlier, iirc. I'm referring to Discord, as they'll probably respond on there faster.

ok

 

[ShieldsPlus]

Let me see here...

That doesn’t change his provocative attitude towards me or Matt, which is just a continuation of the drama from back then.

In no way that I was attempting to continue the drama from back then, until you guys brought it up straight to the RVT.

In that MGQ thread, I just called out Sera over her logic, and while the wording wasn't exactly the friendliest, it completely supports what the majority of the people in that thread agreed with, which is "straight up, don't have profiles that are pornographic, especially with minors in them?"

As for the doxing accusations, I wasn't the one that did it. Just clarifying.

 

[Damage3245]

I think that what Moritzva has brought on this thread in the original post is enough. If not a permanent ban, then I think a ban of a great length of time is necessary. But Moritzva seems strongly to believe that a permanent ban is required here which I can accept.

 

[Moritzva]

In that MGQ thread, I just called out Sera over her logic, and while the wording wasn't exactly the friendliest, it completely supports what the majority of the people in that thread agreed with, which is "straight up, don't have profiles that are pornographic, especially with minors in them?"

Let me step in to say that I am one of the primary people pushing for MGQ being deleted (meaning Lina/Shields was on my side of the debate), and I'll tell you right now, this is objectively incorrect and his logic in the scenario is bad, offensive, and focused specifically on attacking Sera.

That's the last I'll say until AKM or Prom arrive, I hope others do the same!

 

[ShieldsPlus]

You guys are making this huge deal when the hatchet was buried when the Discord group was banned years ago and I ended up getting exiled out of this place for what, around ~2 years because of it?

@Antvasima You do realize that I restored those blogs when I could have chosen not to, right? Especially seeing for weeks how LordXcano was treated with this arguments back and how the admin team back then ganged up on him like a pack of rabid dogs?

But hey, at least I deleted (and restored with convincing) my own blogs instead of random pages, simply because of what happened in that Xcano situation. Because why be critical about calcs like he did when it'll just end up backfiring because they'll just disdain you for disagreeing with the majority anyways~

 

[Moritzva]

Shields, while I disagree with your sentiments completely and absolutely, and the evidence previously posted proves my point, I also advise you say little further while we allow Promestein and AKM time to comment, less risk drowning out the thread, preventing them from being able to read it.

 

[Sera_EX]

You skipped the part where you accused me of enabling pedophilia in that same post and also questioned the morals of those who supported keeping the verse. My logic has always been that if nothing is shown in the files, it shouldn’t matter. Saikou could tell you I dislike MGQ as a franchise but I always aim to be impartial when it comes to our standards. I even admitted that I only argued with Bambu because I thought he was arguing from emotion and what he wanted, which I know isn’t the case.

Regardless, I don’t take kindly to accusations of something so disgusting, ten times over due to being a parent whose children are still small and especially vulnerable. Just saying.

I couldn’t give a damn about the past in itself, it was years ago, but I can focus on the now and the recent.

 

[Moritzva]

Just like morals of the vast majority of people in that thread, who you guys should go with instead of causing a massive storm about the issue then?


The comment that I made on Sera's wall, gone. I hope that it isn't brought up here again.

You literally just made another comment on the morals of others, stop.

And deleting a message doesn't change the fact that you made it, stop.

Wait for Prom and AKM. Stop.

 

[Sera_EX]

The Everlasting is not on Versus Central. And if he is he certainly isn’t active. Also, typical Aizen group behavior to bring up Everlasting. That doesn’t help your case, not in the slightest.