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Naruto eventually creates 2,000 clones like he did on Turtle Island. Ruby will have zero feats for that many clones.
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Ruby Rose vs Naruto Part 2
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@Kep Since the people she blew away are more than 2x stronger than her (Pyrrha)
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Ruby is faster; can we stop arguing that Naruto can get away, because he can't. The problem for Ruby however is that he doesn't have to get away. He is 3 times more durable and can summon a thousand of himself on a dime (and apparently turn them into weapons). If Ruby gets hit once she dies, meanwhile she has to hit Naruto for a multiple minutes before he dies, and that not even bring up his regen.
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@amexim this is true if ruby wasn't able to easily go way faster than just 2x Naruto' s speed.
@kep not only are the clones much lower dura, but the basic physics has the attack exerting the same force throughout it. If it can knock back 5 it can knock back however many fit inaide of it.
@kep not only are the clones much lower dura, but the basic physics has the attack exerting the same force throughout it. If it can knock back 5 it can knock back however many fit inaide of it.
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2,000 doesn't fit inside it.
We've established Naruto is atop Gamabunta and will dodge anything due to the sheer distance separating them.
We've established Naruto is atop Gamabunta and will dodge anything due to the sheer distance separating them.
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All of them don't have to fit inside she just cleaved through the metaphorical wall of them, if they are inside they get blown away if not they are left way behind. And once again, the distance doesn't matter since gamabunta isn't fast enough to maintain that distance.
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The attack doesn't actually have the feats for two thousand clones. All of which won't dispel as easily as a normal one, given by the feats on the frontier.
Also, Naruto can dodge Ruby's bullets, and if she tries to attack him he will be able to dodge due to the distance that will be initially separating them.
Once she gets close enough to remove that advantage, he can counter her speecd via superior AP and hundreds of clones. A single hit will hurt a LOT.
Also, Naruto can dodge Ruby's bullets, and if she tries to attack him he will be able to dodge due to the distance that will be initially separating them.
Once she gets close enough to remove that advantage, he can counter her speecd via superior AP and hundreds of clones. A single hit will hurt a LOT.
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Gama should probably be capable of jumping farther than she can cover...? Vague.
Her being "much faster" isn't useful. As I said, we need to know by how much. Much faster could be 4x or 1,000x. The former isn't enough to really break through sheer numbers of people who can still see you through physical means alone. Try having Usain Bolt run through a literal army of little kids who want to kill you and see how well you do before they all dog pile you. She can't do it with her CqC, so she NEEDS her semblance, which cuts through the clones like butter. However, Naruto could call Bunta, who should be Superior to Ruby in AP and Dura, allowing him to whether the storm, and stall until the right moment.
Her being "much faster" isn't useful. As I said, we need to know by how much. Much faster could be 4x or 1,000x. The former isn't enough to really break through sheer numbers of people who can still see you through physical means alone. Try having Usain Bolt run through a literal army of little kids who want to kill you and see how well you do before they all dog pile you. She can't do it with her CqC, so she NEEDS her semblance, which cuts through the clones like butter. However, Naruto could call Bunta, who should be Superior to Ruby in AP and Dura, allowing him to whether the storm, and stall until the right moment.
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@Kep But can he dodge the AoE effects of them?
With her speed advantage she can easily make distance between them
With her speed advantage she can easily make distance between them
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@Amexim Her semblance allowed her to be able to speedblitz people who can keep up with her normal speed of Mach 2500+. Also her semblance allows her so dieperse herself via elemental intangibility, and she can split herself up into three seperate parts with it.
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The attack doesn't need to have the feat of sucking up 2000 people it has the feat of sucking up more durable people and thus can do it to 2000 provided they are in the area and have less or equal dura. This is because the attack is exerting the same force throughout it. Doesn't matter how many people you put into the radius of a nuclear explosion they will all die, because the force is even throughout the blast.
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Oof, didn't take into account her lack of feats for the attack. Good on you Kep. I mean, the clones share Naruto's Durability, but not his "HP" or pain tolerance or staying power or something. Point is, a normal human won't be able to disperse his clones. One punch from someone who could draw blood from Naruto probably would tho. But in any case, I could have overestimated her Tornado. Being faster than people who are faster than her by an unquantifiable amount isn't exactly indicative of much in terms of concrete information.
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@Amex Even before she mastered her semblance it was capable of harming people with double her durability, this is Post Timeskip Ruby who has mastered her semblance. Hell post timeskip Ruby'stornado was able to harm a grimm who shrugged off a good number of her attacks
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@Kep Unless he's Mach 2500+ she can
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He's >>>>> his wielders so he can at least keep up.
Being superior in speed = \ = blitz
Being superior in speed = \ = blitz
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Considering ruby is >>>>mach 2500 with her semblance and she can fly that distance is nothing.
Edit lol I messed up the greater than signs pretty bad, but you know what I meant
Edit lol I messed up the greater than signs pretty bad, but you know what I meant
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This thread is getting circular.
Let's address all the points and get it done with so we don't get stuck in an endless back and forth
Let's address all the points and get it done with so we don't get stuck in an endless back and forth
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And, again, don't know what that means without feats. Not tryna low-ball, but the only time I can actually use "higher" or "stronger" is if the characters involved have something to them. Sure, let's say it cuts through the clones like butter. Still doesn't mean that she'll outlast naruto in stamina. Still doesn't mean she can trump Gamabunta as a wall. Still doesn't mean she'll find the real Naruto underground with a Rasengan to her chin. Thousands of Ninja tactics vs a VAGUELY higher than 2x difference in speed.
What was the context of this blitz? Was she tangibly running at them, or was she a gust of wind and Rose petals. The latter isn't really a fair justification for a Blitz, as, well, I wouldn't be able to react to a blizzard either, so... Lol.
And, uh, even if it's physical, Naruto can still stall until she's vulnerable. He fought Kakashi all day and night in the beginning of part 2, so he's got at least a day's worth of stamina. Plus Gamabunta, and sneak attacks, etc.
What was the context of this blitz? Was she tangibly running at them, or was she a gust of wind and Rose petals. The latter isn't really a fair justification for a Blitz, as, well, I wouldn't be able to react to a blizzard either, so... Lol.
And, uh, even if it's physical, Naruto can still stall until she's vulnerable. He fought Kakashi all day and night in the beginning of part 2, so he's got at least a day's worth of stamina. Plus Gamabunta, and sneak attacks, etc.
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Ok. Ruby is 1. Faster, extremely faster with her semblance. 2. Possesses large AOE attacks and can attack while using her semblance. 3. Can fly giving her a much greater degree of maneuverability. 4. Can disperse herself to dodge attacks. 5. Attacks at close range Naruto will be unable to dodge and fire dust or ice dust especially will hinder him. 6. Her scythe if needed can also do wide attacks for cleaving through groups of weaker clones, or fast strikes against Naruto himself, which she will know its him if hes still standing from her first hits. 7. Rubys aura allows her to not instantly die, and since Naruto doesnt posses this, sharp attacks or headshots will affect him greatly.
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Anything I missed feel free to add, also feel free to do one for naruto.
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For Naruto, 12 people.
Points:
+ Versitility
+ Strategy (Can catch her offguard at seemingly any point, which would be lethal)
+ AP
+ Numbers (2,000 clones)
+ Durability (at least through Gamabunta)
- Speed (Note: Gamabunta can hop far, and could, to some extent, even if limited, contend with Ruby's speed via size of hops and his actual speed. Not definitive for sure, but a point nonetheless)
- Range, considering she can shoot bullets, and he has to throw weapons.
Ruby
+ Intangibility (Elemental...?)
+ Speed (higher with Semblance to a supposedly large but unknown degree, could possibly outpace Gamabunta, but is unknown)
+ Flight
+ Range, but SBA and speed differences Nerf her bullets. AOE with Wind, and Weapon range.
+ Resiliency, being able to withstand 7-B attacks with strain.
Points:
+ Versitility
+ Strategy (Can catch her offguard at seemingly any point, which would be lethal)
+ AP
+ Numbers (2,000 clones)
+ Durability (at least through Gamabunta)
- Speed (Note: Gamabunta can hop far, and could, to some extent, even if limited, contend with Ruby's speed via size of hops and his actual speed. Not definitive for sure, but a point nonetheless)
- Range, considering she can shoot bullets, and he has to throw weapons.
Ruby
+ Intangibility (Elemental...?)
+ Speed (higher with Semblance to a supposedly large but unknown degree, could possibly outpace Gamabunta, but is unknown)
+ Flight
+ Range, but SBA and speed differences Nerf her bullets. AOE with Wind, and Weapon range.
+ Resiliency, being able to withstand 7-B attacks with strain.
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@Amex Ruby has a range in the hundreds of meters, NArutos is only in the tenx of meters, and her bullets are mach 2500+ as well, and they have elemental properties including fire which directly counters Naruto's wind. Also aoe tornadoes by using her semblance
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Gamabunta clears kilometers with his jumps.
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@Kep Ruby can cover that distance just by running
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It's still an argument you made.
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Also Ruby's Aura will be able to block a few hit before she starts taking serious damage
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Its the same as her durability but its a forcefield around her that lets her take hits without being seriously injured
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Where is the 700 to 900-ton durability feat for her Aura?
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I mean, it took hits from Cinder and Tyrian Callows
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@Kep The feat of Pre-Timeskip Ruby's aura blocking attacks from a grimm that could harm Pyrrha, and guys like Cardin who are only 8-B tanking multiple hits from Pyrrha with their aura
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@Ame It let a guy (Several guys actually) who isnt even in the triple digit tons durability-wise take hits from a character who is 300 tons AP-wise multiple times without going down
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Fine then, ruby took multiple hits from Tyrian Callows who is 7-b long enough to allow Qrow to arrive just in time to save her.
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Pyrrha's AP is over 3x higher than Cardin's
Pre-timeskip Ruby > Cardin by a significant amount (Cardin is not even 100 tons of tnt, Ruby is at least 141 tons of tnt, Ruby even stomped Cardin at one point in a 1v1 fight)
Post timeskip Ruby >>>>>> Pre-timeskip Ruby
Her aura should be more than enough to allow her to take a few hits from Naruto
Pre-timeskip Ruby > Cardin by a significant amount (Cardin is not even 100 tons of tnt, Ruby is at least 141 tons of tnt, Ruby even stomped Cardin at one point in a 1v1 fight)
Post timeskip Ruby >>>>>> Pre-timeskip Ruby
Her aura should be more than enough to allow her to take a few hits from Naruto
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