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Ruby Rose and Social Influencing + New key for Ruby

Spinoirr

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Ruby should gain Social Influencing as Ozpin says she possesses something unquantifiable: a spark, that can inspire others even in the darkest of times and this lets her inspire others. Her speech to the world united all the kingdoms to fight against Salem as shown in the end of Vol 9

Ruby should have a new key called Ascended, as she could fight and harm the Furious Cat who was stomping Team BWJY and even one shooting one of weiss' summon and breaking Jaune's aura that before then took some damage before that but it still knocked the wind out of him when Ever After Jaune could one shot Neo's clones

Stamina upgrade, the characters at max can fight on and off without rest for 4 days
 
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Added a stamina upgrade, as they can fight from the end of vol 7 to the end of vol 9 (as shown by ruby) for 4 days without rest
 
Spinoirr said:
Added a stamina upgrade, as they can fight from the end of vol 7 to the end of vol 9 (as shown by ruby) for 4 days without rest
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Certain characters did have instances of rests and breaks during the period in those volumes, like with Weiss and Blake having tea while taking care of Nora or the time when Ruby passed out in volume 9 and also when the whole team rested when they met back up with Jaune again.

A better example would probably be someone like Yang, who starting from the end of volume 7 to the middle of volume 8 was just in back to back combat from her.

From the team fight with the Ace Ops to immediately protecting Mantle from Salem’s Grimm attack, getting jumped by The Hound, chasing said Hound all the way across Solitas while fighting more grimm, sneaking past another army of Grimm, and then right after fighting Salem herself where she then needed to run away from what was essentially a nuclear bomb detonating in her immediate area, Yang literally barely rested at all since her fight with the Ace Ops until she met back up with Ruby in volume 8. Having short stints of rest at best to fix up her damaged bike in the middle of an arctic was the best she received.

So yeah, her stamina is pretty good. That whole ordeal would probably at least be a solid 24 hours of just pure actions, if not more. But I don’t think 4 day stamina for the whole team is viable because there were instances where they did take breaks and rested up in the volumes themselves.
 
Maitreya said:
Certain characters did have instances of rests and breaks during the period in those volumes, like with Weiss and Blake having tea while taking care of Nora or the time when Ruby passed out in volume 9 and also when the whole team rested when they met back up with Jaune again.

A better example would probably be someone like Yang, who starting from the end of volume 7 to the middle of volume 8 was just in back to back combat from her.

From the team fight with the Ace Ops to immediately protecting Mantle from Salem’s Grimm attack, getting jumped by The Hound, chasing said Hound all the way across Solitas while fighting more grimm, sneaking past another army of Grimm, and then right after fighting Salem herself where she then needed to run away from what was essentially a nuclear bomb detonating in her immediate area, Yang literally barely rested at all since her fight with the Ace Ops until she met back up with Ruby in volume 8. Having short stints of rest at best to fix up her damaged bike in the middle of an arctic was the best she received.

So yeah, her stamina is pretty good. That whole ordeal would probably at least be a solid 24 hours of just pure actions, if not more. But I don’t think 4 day stamina for the whole team is viable because there were instances where they did take breaks and rested up in the volumes themselves.
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It's without sleep, it's like how deku can fight on and off for a month while taking some breaks but not sleep, it's still a impressive stamina feat to fight on and off for 5 days without sleep
 
Spinoirr said:
It's without sleep, it's like how deku can fight on and off for a month while taking some breaks but not sleep, it's still a impressive stamina feat to fight on and off for 5 days without sleep
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They did sleep though. They literally slept the night at Jaune’s house when they met back up with him in volume 9. And other characters had actual instances of passing out, like Ruby and Yang, so they weren't completely left without rest.

And even still, sitting down in an actual mansion where you’re able to rest up and recuperate, is taking a break. Even having instances where they’re all sitting down to plan what they should do is allowing for their stamina to recover. Like I said I think Yang has the most impressive stamina feat of all since she’s actually 100% in constant action the whole time.
 
Maitreya said:
They did sleep though. They literally slept the night at Jaune’s house when they met back up with him in volume 9. And other characters had actual instances of passing out, like Ruby and Yang, so they weren't completely left without rest.

And even still, sitting down in an actual mansion where you’re able to rest up and recuperate, is taking a break. Even having instances where they’re all sitting down to plan what they should do is allowing for their stamina to recover. Like I said I think Yang has the most impressive stamina feat of all since she’s actually 100% in constant action the whole time.
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They slept at Jaunes house at day 3, Ruby didn't sleep at all at that night and stayed up all night until it became day 4
 
Spinoirr said:
They slept at Jaunes house at day 3, Ruby didn't sleep at all at that night and stayed up all night until it became day 4
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Again, Ruby literally passed out for x amount of time earlier that same day. And Ruby in day 4 doesn’t really do that much either, at least not until she reawakens. She’s too mentally exhausted with what she has to deal with to even fight. Like, at all considering she was almost eaten by a Neo illusion. Then she was beaten down by Neo before taking a sip of the tea where her body was able to rest while Ruby found herself.

In fact, Ruby didn’t do much of any action at all over the course of volume 9 due to the mental crisis she was going through. She was sidelined due to either not having her weapon or because of mental trauma. It wasn’t until the very end where the tree pops her out of its roots where she finally puts in some work. So this stamina feat really wouldn’t be much applicable to combat statuses considering Ruby did very little actual combat in volume 9.
 
Neo: she needs a new key with her new powers, as she got stronger after her semblance evolution

Jaune: needs a new key via being stuck in the ever after for 10/20 years, gotten strong enough to damage a neo clone that can take hits from weiss' summon team rwbys attacks also could harm NeoCat (for his profiles age we will put it as "17 | 18 | 19 | 29-39 | 19 (mentally 29-39).)

Ruby: needs a new key via being stronger then Jaune as she could harm the Furious Cat who knocked the wind out of Jaune and broke his Aura
 
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Fine with Social Influencing due to Ozpin's statement, even though Ruby's speech sucked and the finale just showed that the Atlas refugees moved to Vacuo, not that everyone agreed to have a united front against Salem.

Couldn't WBY harm and fight Furious Cat? Jaune should be comparable. Furious Cat was defeated by all of RWBY attacking him together. So the extra key looks unneeded.
Jaune recently got hit by the Pyrrha clone attack + Weiss' fire ball, so he might not be in peak condition. Also, it is less of an anti-feat than Yang's aura getting one-shot by base Neo; Aura durability and recovery consistency takes a backseat to creating dramatic scenes.
The Weiss summon that got destroyed was a smallish Nevermore, so not one of Weiss' strongest summons. And it got destroyed by Furious Cat's beam attack, which might be stronger than his regular striking attacks.

Key for Jaune and Neo looks fine.

Maybe we can make the stamina "for at least two days", to account for the potential time to rest in the Schnee mansion and the Ever After.
 
ShadowWhoWalks said:
Couldn't WBY harm and fight Furious Cat? Jaune should be comparable. Furious Cat was defeated by all of RWBY attacking him together. So the extra key looks unneeded.
Jaune recently got hit by the Pyrrha clone attack + Weiss' fire ball, so he might not be in peak condition. Also, it is less of an anti-feat than Yang's aura getting one-shot by base Neo; Aura durability and recovery consistency takes a backseat to creating dramatic scenes.
The Weiss summon that got destroyed was a smallish Nevermore, so not one of Weiss' strongest summons. And it got destroyed by Furious Cat's beam attack, which might be stronger than his regular striking attacks.
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They were literally getting stomped by that cat until ruby came in to help, they only won with Ruby alongside them, before that they were getting stomped
 
Spinoirr said:
They were literally getting stomped by that cat until ruby came in to help, they only won with Ruby alongside them, before that they were getting stomped
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"literally getting stomped" is a big exaggeration. The Furious Cat had the upper hand and is stronger than any member individually, but he was being fought and held off before RWBY awakened. They were far from being defeated.



When Ruby joined in, she is portrayed is comparable to the rest of team RWBY through their combination attack. All it took to defeat the Furious Cat is just better team work, not any significant boost in strength (also, wasn't the awakening's shtick is that Ruby is good-enough™ just the way she is?).

 
Pretty sure Ruby didn't actually get a power boost

1. Ruby had really dogshit motivation and willpower throughout V9, to the extent that her fight with the Furious Cat was her first actual fight in the series after accepting herself as a person (not counting her vs Neo since she was scared shitless the entire time and had her aura broken really early due to it)
2. Ruby performed just as well as WBY against the Furious Cat during their teamfight
3. Ruby wasn't stomping the cat. She landed 2 hits at most, everything else was blocked. The Cat was caught off guard since he was fully expecting to be able to auto possess her right off the bat, so when he gets a scythe to the face he's bound to get surprised

If anything, Jaune needs an upgrade from this. Although he got punched in the stomach by the Cat and got his aura broken, prior to this he was straight up bodying Curious Neocat and was about to kill them before he transformed into Penny and Pyrrha and guilt tripping him, even though his Atlas key lost to just Neo alongside the rest of his team plus Oscar. not to mention he took several hits from said cat, got cheapshotted by fake Pyrrha, then took a fire blast to the face from Weiss that knocked him off the tree.
 
Given the cat probably got stronger then or is the same power level as taking over Neo

Ruby and Jaune need new keys, team WBY just downscale as on their own they couldn't do anything to the Furious Cat but with Ruby they turned the tides
 
Basically

Ruby, Jaune (Atlas), Team WBY < Neo < Neo (vol 9: post semblance evolution, said to be stronger) ~ Neocat < Jaune (Ever after) < Furious Cat (one shot Ever After Jaune' aura and knocked the wind out of him and made him unable to get up from that attack and was toying around with WBY) ~ Ruby (post Ascension, was doing damage and on par with the cat pretty much and with the help from her team beat the cat to its base form)
 
Spinoirr said:
Given the cat probably got stronger then or is the same power level as taking over Neo

Ruby and Jaune need new keys, team WBY just downscale as on their own they couldn't do anything to the Furious Cat but with Ruby they turned the tides
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WBY fought the cat very recently after seeing that Ruby was basically dead. Their motivation was at an all-time low. Seeing Ruby come back most likely gave them a massive, noticeable morale boost, on top of the fact that the Cat was massively caught off guard by the entire ordeal, ON TOP OF Ruby's social influencing being able to re-motivate her team

Their attacks still forced the Cat to block/dodge even before Ruby came back and were able to successfully stall the cat before Ruby came back, but they were noticeably less confident and lacked the teamwork they were displaying in the final fight.

As for Jaune, when fighting the Furious Cat, his aura was already extremely low due to the attacks I mentioned in my previous comment. Considering how easily Jaune was manhandling Neocat earlier while none of the other 3 were able to do anything, I think it's safe to say that Jaune should scale above most if not all of the members of RWBY (besides Burn Yang), with the Furious Cat being superior to all 5 of them individually by a small margin

imo:

Jaune (Atlas) ~ Team WBY (Depressed) < Neo (Atlas) < Neo (vol 9) ~ Neocat < Jaune (Rusted Knight) ~ Ruby (Post Ascension, did better against the cat than an exhausted Rusted Knight Jaune and a depressed WBY) ~ Team WBY (Remotivated, after seeing Ruby again, every member visibly did better against the cat even without Ruby's interference) < Furious Cat (His attack power forced Ruby to dodge multiple times with her Semblance despite the onslaught he was receiving from Ruby, facetanked a sniper blast from her with seemingly no damage, and caught her scythe and would have hit her if not for her Semblance. Yeah, for the first few seconds Ruby had the other hand, but the Cat was visibly making a comeback before he got shot in the face)
 
I honestly do believe team RWBY in the Atlas Arc are weaker then Ascension Ruby basied on what is shown

Because team WBY in vol 7-9 scale to how strong Jaune is in Atlas and bro was getting stomped by Neo alongside Ocar, Nora, Ren

Hell Neo was beating Blake and Ruby working tougher at the end of vol 8

And Neo did all of this before her semblance evolution power boost
 
Spinoirr said:
I honestly do believe team RWBY in the Atlas Arc are weaker then Ascension Ruby basied on what is shown

Because team WBY in vol 7-9 scale to how strong Jaune is in Atlas and bro was getting stomped by Neo alongside Ocar, Nora, Ren

Hell Neo was beating Blake and Ruby working tougher at the end of vol 8

And Neo did all of this before her semblance evolution power boost
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That seems fair, the Furious Cat did better against Rusted Knight Jaune compared to Neocat, and Ruby could harm the Furious Cat

I still think the Furious Cat is stronger than all of them individually tho, by a small margin. Although Ruby pushed it back, she wasn't able to significantly harm the cat on her own
 
ShadowWhoWalks said:
Fine with Social Influencing due to Ozpin's statement, even though Ruby's speech sucked and the finale just showed that the Atlas refugees moved to Vacuo, not that everyone agreed to have a united front against Salem.
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Qrow says everyone around the world united together because of Ruby's message to the world in this post vol 9 animatic shown in RTX today
 
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