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Let's talk about Rosalina. Commonly considered to be one of the more powerful characters in the Mario canon, but having played through and 100%ed both Galaxy and Galaxy 2 multiple times, I argue that she is actually on the weaker end of the scale.
According to her page, Rosalina "effortlessly recreated the universe", has a speed "At least 76.7 trillion times faster than light... Far superior to Grand Star powered Bowser, who can tag Starship Mario during flight", has striking strength "Should be vastly stronger than Super Mario Galaxy Bowser, who was empowered by a Grand Star and narrowly survived the universe's Destruction", and range "At least Universal+ with her abilities (Had reset the universe)". All of these statements are wrong.
First up, Rosalina did NOT reset the universe. Looking at the ending cutscene of Super Mario Galaxy, it's quite clear that the galaxy's explosion was initiated by Bowser's Galaxy Reactor exploding . Rosalina did not even appear the scene until after the galaxy itself exploded and the Lumas all fell in. According to the Prima Guide, the only thing Rosalina did in that entire scene was that she shielded them from the blast. This speaks to her durability but says nothing about her own attack potency/strength.
In addition, the blast was not universe-level. All it was was the galaxy resetting, triggered by the implosion of the Galaxy Reactor. Rosalina herself says that this is part of a natural cycle in which galaxies are created (which also provides further, if not conclusive, evidence that the new galaxy being born was not Rosalina's doing). The universe was not "utterly destroyed", the galaxy was. The only mention of the universe is once again the Prima Guide which mentions that the galaxy's destruction "threatened the very fabric of the universe" — but this does not mean that the universe as a whole was threatened. Note that a black hole not only threatens but punctures the very fabric of the universe, and there is no shortage of black holes in Super Mario Galaxy 1 & 2.
That's not even to mention that the Lumas blunted the effect of the blast. This was to an unknown degree, but whatever effect it had only meant that Rosalina needed even less durability to protect Mario and Peach. Based on all of this, I conclude that Rosalina's durability is AT MOST galaxy level, with the lower bound being at least an order of magnitude higher than Peach's (otherwise there would be no point in her protecting Mario and Peach from the blast)
I have no idea where the idea that Rosalina is trillions of times faster than light came from. We never see her transport herself at a speed above a slow walk. She does have control of the Comet Observatory, which we see traveling at fast but undefined (and AT MOST sub-relativistic) speeds, but this itself is powered by the life of a Luma turned into a comet. I'm pretty sure that control of a fast object that's powered by something else doesn't count. So, Rosalina's speed is AT LEAST normal human (based off sm4sh), with no upper bound but no evidence for anything above it.
The only evidence we have for Rosalina's attack potency is Super Smash Bros. 4 (I have no clue where the idea that she's universe+ in that regard is from). In it she can pack a serious punch (depending on who you ask, she is anything from #10 to #1 on the tier list), but importantly this is with Luma. Alone, Rosalina is really quite weak, with only average-strength smash attacks, aerials and kill throws. Yes, she can warp space and create mini-galaxies or do whatever the hell her specials in Mario sports games are, but all they can do is launch with the same power as your average SSB smash attack. Given that, I'd place her attack potency where her lifting strength is, superhuman level (enough to launch opponents in the air) but no higher.
Her striking strength is in a similar position. We don't see her strike anyone outside of sm4sh, so that's all we have to go off — superhuman, but not incredibly so.
"But rtg142857, you keep talking about how there isn't any evidence for her being strong, but you haven't given any evidence for why she's 'on the weaker end of the scale' ", I hear you cry. Well, that's what I'm getting to right now, and it involves something that happens in both SMG and SMG2 that's so important that I'm frankly shocked that it's not discussed more:
Rosalina is overpowered by Bowser. TWICE.
That is to say, in the only two scenes that Rosalina actually interacts with someone in any manner that resembles combat, she loses. Not only that, she goes in both with a massive power advantage: in Galaxy 1 the situation is relatively unknown but we know that Rosalina had full control of the Comet Observatory, being powered by 7 mighty Grand Stars, and that Bowser was able to completely strip the Observatory of said power. In Galaxy 2 the situation is more clear, as we see it for ourselves: Despite Bowser only having control of one (two? The cutscene before the final battle isn't the clearest) Grand Stars to Rosalina's seven, Bowser uses the Galaxy Generator to completely dominate the Comet Observatory without even stripping it of its power. From this, there can be no doubt that Bowser's power level is orders of magnitude greater than Rosalina's.
I've tagged this as Content Revision because it regards changing information on the wikia, but given the magnitude of the changes that I think should be made this will definitely require some further discussion. Please reply with your thoughts, because I absolutely think that the Rosalina page needs serious revision due to the above reasons.
As a TL
R, I'll just list the raw changes I think need to be made:
Tier: Low 2-C -> 8-B; Attack Potency: Universe level+ -> 9-A; Speed: Massively FTL+ -> Normal or Athletic Human; Striking Strength: Galactic -> Superhuman; Range: Standard Melee Range -> Tens of Metres (but that's another discussion).
EDIT: Ignore the tier section above in its entirety, I didn't know exactly how the tiers worked when I wrote it. The rest of the post still stands.
According to her page, Rosalina "effortlessly recreated the universe", has a speed "At least 76.7 trillion times faster than light... Far superior to Grand Star powered Bowser, who can tag Starship Mario during flight", has striking strength "Should be vastly stronger than Super Mario Galaxy Bowser, who was empowered by a Grand Star and narrowly survived the universe's Destruction", and range "At least Universal+ with her abilities (Had reset the universe)". All of these statements are wrong.
First up, Rosalina did NOT reset the universe. Looking at the ending cutscene of Super Mario Galaxy, it's quite clear that the galaxy's explosion was initiated by Bowser's Galaxy Reactor exploding . Rosalina did not even appear the scene until after the galaxy itself exploded and the Lumas all fell in. According to the Prima Guide, the only thing Rosalina did in that entire scene was that she shielded them from the blast. This speaks to her durability but says nothing about her own attack potency/strength.
In addition, the blast was not universe-level. All it was was the galaxy resetting, triggered by the implosion of the Galaxy Reactor. Rosalina herself says that this is part of a natural cycle in which galaxies are created (which also provides further, if not conclusive, evidence that the new galaxy being born was not Rosalina's doing). The universe was not "utterly destroyed", the galaxy was. The only mention of the universe is once again the Prima Guide which mentions that the galaxy's destruction "threatened the very fabric of the universe" — but this does not mean that the universe as a whole was threatened. Note that a black hole not only threatens but punctures the very fabric of the universe, and there is no shortage of black holes in Super Mario Galaxy 1 & 2.
That's not even to mention that the Lumas blunted the effect of the blast. This was to an unknown degree, but whatever effect it had only meant that Rosalina needed even less durability to protect Mario and Peach. Based on all of this, I conclude that Rosalina's durability is AT MOST galaxy level, with the lower bound being at least an order of magnitude higher than Peach's (otherwise there would be no point in her protecting Mario and Peach from the blast)
I have no idea where the idea that Rosalina is trillions of times faster than light came from. We never see her transport herself at a speed above a slow walk. She does have control of the Comet Observatory, which we see traveling at fast but undefined (and AT MOST sub-relativistic) speeds, but this itself is powered by the life of a Luma turned into a comet. I'm pretty sure that control of a fast object that's powered by something else doesn't count. So, Rosalina's speed is AT LEAST normal human (based off sm4sh), with no upper bound but no evidence for anything above it.
The only evidence we have for Rosalina's attack potency is Super Smash Bros. 4 (I have no clue where the idea that she's universe+ in that regard is from). In it she can pack a serious punch (depending on who you ask, she is anything from #10 to #1 on the tier list), but importantly this is with Luma. Alone, Rosalina is really quite weak, with only average-strength smash attacks, aerials and kill throws. Yes, she can warp space and create mini-galaxies or do whatever the hell her specials in Mario sports games are, but all they can do is launch with the same power as your average SSB smash attack. Given that, I'd place her attack potency where her lifting strength is, superhuman level (enough to launch opponents in the air) but no higher.
Her striking strength is in a similar position. We don't see her strike anyone outside of sm4sh, so that's all we have to go off — superhuman, but not incredibly so.
"But rtg142857, you keep talking about how there isn't any evidence for her being strong, but you haven't given any evidence for why she's 'on the weaker end of the scale' ", I hear you cry. Well, that's what I'm getting to right now, and it involves something that happens in both SMG and SMG2 that's so important that I'm frankly shocked that it's not discussed more:
Rosalina is overpowered by Bowser. TWICE.
That is to say, in the only two scenes that Rosalina actually interacts with someone in any manner that resembles combat, she loses. Not only that, she goes in both with a massive power advantage: in Galaxy 1 the situation is relatively unknown but we know that Rosalina had full control of the Comet Observatory, being powered by 7 mighty Grand Stars, and that Bowser was able to completely strip the Observatory of said power. In Galaxy 2 the situation is more clear, as we see it for ourselves: Despite Bowser only having control of one (two? The cutscene before the final battle isn't the clearest) Grand Stars to Rosalina's seven, Bowser uses the Galaxy Generator to completely dominate the Comet Observatory without even stripping it of its power. From this, there can be no doubt that Bowser's power level is orders of magnitude greater than Rosalina's.
I've tagged this as Content Revision because it regards changing information on the wikia, but given the magnitude of the changes that I think should be made this will definitely require some further discussion. Please reply with your thoughts, because I absolutely think that the Rosalina page needs serious revision due to the above reasons.
As a TL
R, I'll just list the raw changes I think need to be made:Tier: Low 2-C -> 8-B; Attack Potency: Universe level+ -> 9-A; Speed: Massively FTL+ -> Normal or Athletic Human; Striking Strength: Galactic -> Superhuman; Range: Standard Melee Range -> Tens of Metres (but that's another discussion).
EDIT: Ignore the tier section above in its entirety, I didn't know exactly how the tiers worked when I wrote it. The rest of the post still stands.
