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Rosalina's power level is massively overestimated.
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What do you mean why?TeenAngel101 said:
He said to ignore it because he didn't understand te tiering system that well at the time.
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Oh, I thought you meant the High 4-C thing. Not the 8-B/9-A thing.
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Like I said, my specific tiering of her was based off faulty assumptions about how tiering worked. Let's just go with that she's superhuman.TeenAngel101 said:
"Yes, she shielded them, FAIRLY EASILY, from a blast that threatened the FABRIC OF THE UNIVERSE.
This is Low 2-C, and scales to her AP and everything else.
This is everytime someone tries to downplay people by saying durability feats don't scale to AP.
...She can easily create shields that can fend off universal destruction, and can simply convert this energy into an attack or such."
I mentioned this. A blast that "threatens the fabric of the universe" is not extraordinarily powerful. Black holes, which are plentiful in SMG1&2, go farther than threatening; a black hole ruptures the fabric of the universe.
Please tell me, if you will, why Rosalina never shows any feats of her supposedly incredible AP, given that she has ample opportunity to do so (both in SSB and in her confrontations with Bowser).
Withstanding energy does not equal absorbing energy. That is a specific superpower in itself. If you think that anything which can withstand a powerful attack has the ability to convert the energy into an attack of its own, a bomb shelter would be just as deadly as the bombs themselves.
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Alright...in a minute...
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Yes, that's what I'm saying. Thank you for understanding. "Weaker end of the (Mario characters) scale" and all that.Js250476 said:
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^You can tell he's irritated already.
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Are you trying to be a troll?TeenAngel101 said:
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Yes, that's what I'm saying. Thank you for understanding. "Weaker end of the (Mario characters) scale" and all that.
No, he means that's ridiculous. There is no way she is that weak.
No, he means that's ridiculous. There is no way she is that weak.
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The opposite, actually. She's not a glass cannon, with low durability and high AP. She's a stone wall, with high durability and low AP.TeenAngel101 said:
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No, he means that's ridiculous. There is no way she is that weak.TeenAngel101 said:
Sarcasm isn't conveyed well on the Internet, but I'm completely serious. I am arguing specifically that she is indeed that weak.
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She can literally just channel the power used to create her universe+ shields into an attack. It absolutely scales to AP.
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Like I said:TeenAngel101 said:
"Please tell me, if you will, why Rosalina never shows any feats of her supposedly incredible AP, given that she has ample opportunity to do so (both in SSB and in her confrontations with Bowser).
Withstanding energy does not equal absorbing energy. That is a specific superpower in itself. If you think that anything which can withstand a powerful attack has the ability to convert the energy into an attack of its own, a bomb shelter would be just as deadly as the bombs themselves."
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Don't quote walls of text.
Don't quote walls of text.
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SSB is non-canon, it doesn't count.
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No, this is good, this is what I wanted. I'd much rather actual productive discussion than just being flamed or ignored.TeenAngel101 said:
Edit: I realise that this might sound sarcastic, so I just want to say that this is not sarcasm, I actually did want this. If I'm ever sarcastic, I'll put a /s at the end of my sentence.
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Fine, but then we have literally no showcases of her AP whatsoever. I used SSB because it's the only time she ever engages in combat.SomebodyData said:
"Don't quote walls of text" I'm just using the quote function to reply to specific people. Sorry if that clutters stuff up.
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Just do what I did.Randomtechguy142857 said:
Remove other peoples quotes.
You can edit what's inside te quotes.
You can also use @[Insert name]
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@MasterOfArda Fair enough.
@Js250476 "Feats that prove she's that strong" mean diddly squat when she's actually confronted by Bowser, with a massive power advantage, and loses twice. You can't make assumptions that her AP is incredible if there's such evidence to the contrary.
@Js250476 "Feats that prove she's that strong" mean diddly squat when she's actually confronted by Bowser, with a massive power advantage, and loses twice. You can't make assumptions that her AP is incredible if there's such evidence to the contrary.
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@Js250476 Please read the entire post before commenting. I covered this.
In SMG2, there's a scene where Bowser's Galaxy Generator easily overwhelms and abducts the Observatory when it's at full power. No trickery, no stealing of power, just straight-up domination.
In SMG2, there's a scene where Bowser's Galaxy Generator easily overwhelms and abducts the Observatory when it's at full power. No trickery, no stealing of power, just straight-up domination.
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No worries, it's a long post.
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How does Bowsers Galaxy Generator abducting the Observatory prove that Bowser himself can directly overpower Rosalina?Randomtechguy142857 said:
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@Dust Collector It doesn't directly prove it. But given that this is the only time that Rosalina is ever confronted on-screen in anything that resembles combat outside of SSB, it must speak for something, given that Rosalina has full control of a body that we can only assume is around 7 times more powerful than that which Bowser controls (as the Comet Observatory is powered by 7 Grand Stars while the Galaxy Generator is only powered by one).
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Well after reading your post both instances don't really prove Bowser is stronger then Rosalina the first game he just steals the observatory's power source we aren't told he fought her directly and in galaxy 2 his generator attacks the observatory not him so if anything that just means Bowser's tech and generator is on par with the observatory really. also sorry your post came before this one
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@Js250476 See above.
If Rosalina ever showed us her combat prowess in anything other than SSB, I would gladly use that in lieu of the Bowser incidents as the judge of her AP etc. But she doesn't, and therefore we have to make do.
The alternative, of course, is to accept that there is no proper evidence we can use to judge. This would mean going into circumstantial evidence ("She didn't use her powers here, but if she were really strong she could've!") which I think we can all agree is not incredibly useful on its own.
If Rosalina ever showed us her combat prowess in anything other than SSB, I would gladly use that in lieu of the Bowser incidents as the judge of her AP etc. But she doesn't, and therefore we have to make do.
The alternative, of course, is to accept that there is no proper evidence we can use to judge. This would mean going into circumstantial evidence ("She didn't use her powers here, but if she were really strong she could've!") which I think we can all agree is not incredibly useful on its own.
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@Pachi no. GT is canon tho
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Ye @JS and Pachi
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