Rock 'Em Sock 'Em Robots: Orphan-Maker vs. Alphonse Elric

[The_Impress]

Battle of the kids in ginormous armors but not really

Orphan-Maker (Marvel Comics) vs. Alphonse Elric (Fullmetal Alchemist)

2nd key Orphan Maker used, Philosopher Stone restricted, speed equalised, starting distance 50 meters and in-character.

 

[Armorchompy]

Alphonse is 2.050x10^9 Joules/0.490 Tons of TNT

 

[The_Impress]

Orphan-Maker upscales from baseline, so negligible AP diff :V

 

[Armorchompy]

Not really, upscaling doesn't bridge a x2 gap, Alphonse should have a not huge but notable advantage in that regard.

 

[The_Impress]

Not really, upscaling doesn't bridge a x2 gap fully, Alphonse should have an advantage in that regard

I mean he's stomping the baseline guy while not even going for the kill :v

 

[Armorchompy]

That's unquantifiable still.

Regardless, what's OM's go-to?

 

[azontr]

Upscaling doesn't completely close AP gaps and isn't quantifiable but one can't deny it helps regardless, saying it doesn't seems kinda dum, 'specially when the gap ain't that large.

Following.

 

[The_Impress]

That's unquantifiable still.

It's presumable to be at least 2x then lol

Regardless, what's OM's go-to?

Gun

 

[Armorchompy]

It's presumable to be at least 2x then lol

No, just unquantifiably higher.

Gun

Alphonse is generally bulletproof to guns, even 8-C ones, so he'll probably have to resort to hand to hand.

 

[The_Impress]

No, just unquantifiably higher.

Nah

Alphonse is generally bulletproof to guns, even 8-C ones, so he'll probably have to resort to hand to hand.

Rip, he's more of a bullrusher in h2h combat, reliant on tackles and throws, which given LS advantage is considerably effective.

 

[Armorchompy]

Nah

That's not how we treat it, though. Like you can go back and forth on this but it's just not it.

Rip, he's more of a bullrusher in h2h combat, reliant on tackles and throws, which given LS advantage is considerably effective.

It's >10 tons vs >5.4 tons, a notable advantage but not enough to completely crush him via grappling, especially since to my understanding Alphonse has a lot more training and skill, with a lot of that skill going into grappling.

 

[The_Impress]

That's not how we treat it, though. Like you can go back and forth on this but it's just not it.

it is

It's >10 tons vs >5.4 tons, a notable advantage but not enough to completely crush him via grappling, especially since to my understanding Alphonse has a lot more training and skill, with a lot of that skill going into grappling.

I mean 2x times stronger is pretty damn significant.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Orphan Maker vs Orphan

 

[Armorchompy]

it is

Ignoring this from now on, you're simply wrong, unless you can back up your claim that a generic upscale is worth 2x. Given we explicitly avoid giving it a number, I don't think you can. (And for the record a x2 gap is totally enough to stomp someone)

I mean 2x times stronger is pretty damn significant.

Yeah but like, Alphonse is a way better fighter, if you're just a dumb brawler I don't think just a LS advantage works. Plus, what would you even do upon grappling him? All your limbs are busy holding him in place and it's not like you can choke him out, and unless you have the foresight to hold him in a specific way which you wouldn't without knowledge, he can just tap the ground to free himself with Alchemy.

Speaking of which Al can utilize alchemy to immobilize or attack Orphan Maker from a distance, if he decides H2H isn't his speed.