Rimuru Vs The Player (Wizard 101)

[Elizhaa]

Titanic Lullaby:

Why is this being ignored? It's an Instantaneous effect. Resistances to sleep manipulation or even being a sleepless being won't work as it can put sleepless, type 5 Acasual, type 1 abstract beings to sleep. The lullaby is also stronger against Dieties, which Rimuru is. This does not kill the opponent. It puts them to an eternal, infinite never-ending sleep.

> Acausality 3 is why and Rimuru can get resistance to this attack from Reactive Evolution

 

[GLHF22]

Rimuru FRA

 

[Elizhaa]

Got to say Rimuru FRA as well.

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

Elizha, not to sound rude, but the majority of your arguments sound like an "if", with no real conclusion as to how Rimuru can stop The Player from ending him

"The Player, once again, stands at the same level as Spider, Raven and Bartleby as the Divibe Paradox. I ask again, can Rimuru use abilities on characters on that level? >Yes."

He's faced and affected a type 1 abstract + Type 5 Acasual being who's leagues above him in AP? Because by the scaling chain and the vastness of the characters power, Rimuru is no where near that level of power. "Yes", isn't an argument.

"The point about Information Analysis' resistance kinda looks null to be because even in PvP, players can see each other informations like names, resistances, and criticals."

This is IF The Player allows his information to be seen. He can block off said information if he wanted to, and this block off is active during PvP when The Player has blocked the person. Even without that, spells, spell decks are completely blocked off. No Wizard knows any techniques/hax/spells used from the opposing opponent. Also, in the link, all he see's is the school. He doesn't know what he is going to cast, when he will cast it, what spells he has in his spell deck,

Acausality Type 3:

"Type 3: Temporal Permanence: Characters with this type of Acausality are incredibly difficult to kill, as other versions of themselves - from other points in time and/or from other universes - can survive the destruction of the "original" and act in their place. This also grants them immunity to changes in the past."

This doesn't help. Titanic Lullaby puts the enemy to sleep. It does not kill them.

Reactive Evolution won't work. The Titanic Lullaby cannot be "copied" or learned, Bartleby or the ancient trees have to directly teach it to you. Each tree in husk has a specific section of the Titanic Lullaby, and anyone that isn't directly affiliated with Bartleby, in the Player's case, his scion, cannot access this song no matter how hard they try to learn it or copy it, even those who master the song or resist it can still be affected by the song, and once again, the song works on sleepless beings. The only way to survive the song is to be a mortal, which The Player is. Also, Rimuru can't just go "Oh shit better copy it", because he'll be asleep before he can ever do anything. For the last time, resistance, immunaity or being a sleepless being is not enough to survive the Lullaby

Unless Rimuru is 100% mortal, there is no way he is surviving the Lullaby.

">Shadow Magic looks based on Reality Warping which Rimuru resists."

Resisting is irrelevant, it can bypass resistances lmao. And Shadow Magic and the abilities it grants are two different things completely

Also: literally all other points I posted in my previous response. Resistance Negation etc.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Since the OP isn't keeping track, the votes are:

The Player: 4 (Zenkaibattery1, ShadowWarrior1999, ZellTemplar55, Ben CleverName)

Rimuru: 4 (Elizhaa, GLHF22, DrakLORD532, Milly Rocking Bandit)

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

Ben has also voted for The Player iirc (Considering he's debating for him)

 

[Ben_CleverName]

Ben has also voted for The Player iirc (Considering he's debating for him)

Yes, though I didn't officially say it until now, I am voting for the Player for reasons stated above (by both of us).

 

[Elizhaa]

Resisting is irrelevant, it can bypass resistances lmao. And Shadow Magic and the abilities it grants are two different things completely

> He does this by Reality Warping and 'Rimuru' resisted. I don't believe one can't ignore the source of the ability. Also, Rimuru resisted Magic that could be Classified as Law Manipulation.

Even then, Resistance Negation is only to Magic via Shadow Manipulation (Can transform into a shadow creature, one of which can bypass resistance to magic). It won't kill 'Rimuru'. Even then it needed to be activated via Transformation where 'Rimuru' can attacks, in the 'meantimes,' with his deadly hax.

This doesn't help. Titanic Lullaby puts the enemy to sleep. It does not kill them.

Reactive Evolution won't work. The Titanic Lullaby cannot be "copied" or learned, Bartleby or the ancient trees have to directly teach it to you. Each tree in husk has a specific section of the Titanic Lullaby, and anyone that isn't directly affiliated with Bartleby, in the Player's case, his scion, cannot access this song no matter how hard they try to learn it or copy it, even those who master the song or resist it can still be affected by the song, and once again, the song works on sleepless beings. The only way to survive the song is to be a mortal, which The Player is. Also, Rimuru can't just go "Oh shit better copy it", because he'll be asleep before he can ever do anything. For the last time, resistance, immunaity or being a sleepless being is not enough to survive the Lullaby.

>Rimuru copies numerous abilities that are meant not be "copied" or "learned" from others. Verse Equalization, he can. Acausality still works, only one version of Rimuru would be asleep if it works not all of them. The Player has no feats that show he can affect versions of a character with Acausality (Type 3). He only can unless he used Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2) which we have no idea, how it is work, only that he has it.

 

[GLHF22]

Agree with Elizhaa, For Example He can learn Turn Null which Yuuki Cant, and Turn Null maybe is Higher Dimensional Energy, just wait until Vol 14 Released and hope it Will explain about Nuclear Dimension

 

[Ben_CleverName]

Resisting is irrelevant, it can bypass resistances lmao. And Shadow Magic and the abilities it grants are two different things completely
> He does this by Reality Warping and 'Rimuru' resisted. I don't believe one can't ignore the source of the ability. Also, Rimuru resisted Magic that could be Classified as Law Manipulation.

Even then, Resistance Negation is only to Magic via Shadow Manipulation (Can transform into a shadow creature, one of which can bypass resistance to magic). It won't kill 'Rimuru'. Even then it needed to be activated via Transformation where 'Rimuru' can attacks, in the 'meantimes,' with his deadly hax.

This doesn't help. Titanic Lullaby puts the enemy to sleep. It does not kill them.

Reactive Evolution won't work. The Titanic Lullaby cannot be "copied" or learned, Bartleby or the ancient trees have to directly teach it to you. Each tree in husk has a specific section of the Titanic Lullaby, and anyone that isn't directly affiliated with Bartleby, in the Player's case, his scion, cannot access this song no matter how hard they try to learn it or copy it, even those who master the song or resist it can still be affected by the song, and once again, the song works on sleepless beings. The only way to survive the song is to be a mortal, which The Player is. Also, Rimuru can't just go "Oh shit better copy it", because he'll be asleep before he can ever do anything. For the last time, resistance, immunaity or being a sleepless being is not enough to survive the Lullaby.

>Rimuru copies numerous abilities that are meant not be "copied" or "learned" from others. Verse Equalization, he can. Acausality still works, only one version of Rimuru would be asleep if it works not all of them. The Player has no feats that show he can affect versions of a character with Acausality (Type 3). He only can unless he used Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2) which we have no idea, how it is work, only that he has it.

The Player has fought against plenty of enemies which canonically have no affinity to magic whatsoever - such as these guys, and piercing is known to affect them as well. They come from Pirate101 (Wizard101's sister game) and have outlawed the use of magic in all forms. The only reason they can even cast spells in the game is because of Wizard101's limited technology.

"Even then, Resistance Negation is only to Magic via Shadow Manipulation "

Not only is it false that Piercing can only affect Magic, but you also don't even need Shadow Magic to do so. As I already said, the Player can pierce through Resistance passively. It's a status effect that's given to him through his gear. And even then, there are plenty of other spells that give piercing which are not related to Shadow Magic.

"Rimuru copies numerous abilities that are meant not be "copied" or "learned" from others. Verse Equalization, he can."

Copying the Titanic Lullaby will not help Rimuru in the slightest. Even in his absurdly powerful Divine Paradox state, the Player is still human, and as such is not affected by the song. You can even see this for yourself in the game.

"The Player has no feats that show he can affect versions of a character with Acausality (Type 3)"

http://www.wizard101central.com/wik...x-(Quest)_Showdown_with_Spider_Dialogue_7.png

 

[Elizhaa]

The Player has fought against plenty of enemies which canonically have no affinity to magic whatsoever - such as these guys, and piercing is known to affect them as well. They come from Pirate101 (Wizard101's sister game) and have outlawed the use of magic in all forms. The only reason they can even cast spells in the game is because of Wizard101's limited technology.

"Even then, Resistance Negation is only to Magic via Shadow Manipulation "

Not only is it false that Piercing can only affect Magic, but you also don't even need Shadow Magic to do so. As I already said, the Player can pierce through Resistance passively. It's a status effect that's given to him through his gear. And even then, there are plenty of other spells that give piercing which are not related to Shadow Magic.

"Rimuru copies numerous abilities that are meant not be "copied" or "learned" from others. Verse Equalization, he can."

Copying the Titanic Lullaby will not help Rimuru in the slightest. Even in his absurdly powerful Divine Paradox state, the Player is still human, and as such is not affected by the song. You can even see this for yourself in the game.

"The Player has no feats that show he can affect versions of a character with Acausality (Type 3)"

http://www.wizard101central.com/wik...x-(Quest)_Showdown_with_Spider_Dialogue_7.png

> Again, piercing resistance is done by Reality Warping which Rimuru resists. Rimuru also has a skill call Magic Cancelor that neutralizes all magic attacks.

• Magic Nullify: An ability which automatically neutralizes all magic attacks, including abilities like death manipulation and existence erasure. All of Base Shion's abilities proved ineffective against Dagruel.

Rimuru would null it.

>The copying point is not completely stated. The implication is that Rimuru can get resistance from Reactive Evolution not just copies it.


>Grandfather Spider doesn't have Acausality (Type 3)

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

"> He does this by Reality Warping and 'Rimuru' resisted. I don't believe one can't ignore the source of the ability. Also, Rimuru resisted Magic that could be Classified as Law Manipulation. "

"> Again, piercing resistance is done by Reality Warping which Rimuru resists. Rimuru also has a skill call Magic Cancelor that neutralizes all magic attacks"

Simply "resisting Reality Warping" doesn't suggest that the he is completely above it. Assuming just because can resist some form of reality warping, therefore he can resist it and the abilities it grants is major NLF, if he has no form of combat against the technique itself, to the level shown, then it cannot be used. Furthermore, You can use Shadow Magic and harm and even kill those who resist it in the first place, so "resisting reality warping" won't cut it. In-verse you can literally go immune to Shadow Magic, and yet it can still be bypassed.

">Rimuru copies numerous abilities that are meant not be "copied" or "learned" from others. Verse Equalization, he can. Acausality still works, only one version of Rimuru would be asleep if it works not all of them. The Player has no feats that show he can affect versions of a character with Acausality (Type 3). He only can unless he used Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2) which we have no idea, how it is work, only that he has it."

You do realize that verse equalization only makes it worse for him, right? That means he will face ALL the weaknesses and applications of the Titanic Lullaby. The argument of "verse equalization" makes it that Shadow Magic will work on him as well, because abilities of Shadow Magic has shown to work on those who resist it in the first place, and this argument stands strong without verse equalization, because Shadow Magic can work on beings who resist it, heck, it can even work on Grandfather Spider, who is the very embodiment of Shadow Magic. Once again, resisting it isn't enough, this works for my other point above. Acausality type 3, by definition is showing it in the context that it only happens if the singular entity dies. Verse equalization makes it worse for Rimuru in many other ways as well. Either way, The Player has shown he can affect people from all across the reality such as when he killed The Storm Titan, and affected Storm Magic across all of reality with his concept manipulation, or the time him harming Grandfather Spider affected all of reality (Not revealed how just yet, but it affected all of existence). Adding on, The argument of Concept Manipulation not working previously, relayed on Rimuru's Information Analysis, which has been debunked on being able to work, with no refutation given.

Also, The Titanic Lullaby' 'does work across all existence. Grandfather Spider's Shadow Magic forms all of reality/all of existence. When the Lullaby put Grandfather Spider to sleep, all traces of his Shadow Magic (Which is a sentiant force), was put away as well. And this is even assuming that Acausality (Type 3) works if the person doesn't need to be killed.

As far as Acausality (type 3) is described on the page, it can only happen if the person is killed, I see no implication on the page that it means the person can be replaced if the person is put to sleep, even saying that sounds plain wrong.

Also, Ben meant his comment about Grandfather Spider was in the context that The Player affected the spiral as a whole lol, which was confirmed by WoG. The mission was about resetting all points in time, so it's fair to assume it was literally all of existence. Also, Spider, Raven and Bartleby can affect Type 3 Acausal beings, they have casually manipulated all points in time quite a few times. The Player, as Bartleby's scion, and taking Bartleby's place, logically can as well. Also, worse comes to shove, The Player just doesn't stop singing lol

Acausality type 3:

"Type 3: Temporal Permanence: Characters with this type of Acausality are incredibly difficult to kill, as other versions of themselves - from other points in time and/or from other universes - can survive the Destruction of the "original" and act in their place. This also grants them immunity to changes in the past."

Edit: I'll be making a thread on The Player's Immortality (Type 8) soon. And once again, no real victory condiiton has been given for Rimuru. I've even given the benefit of the doubt about type 3 in a bit of my response

 

[Ben_CleverName]

The Player has fought against plenty of enemies which canonically have no affinity to magic whatsoever - such as these guys, and piercing is known to affect them as well. They come from Pirate101 (Wizard101's sister game) and have outlawed the use of magic in all forms. The only reason they can even cast spells in the game is because of Wizard101's limited technology.

"Even then, Resistance Negation is only to Magic via Shadow Manipulation "

Not only is it false that Piercing can only affect Magic, but you also don't even need Shadow Magic to do so. As I already said, the Player can pierce through Resistance passively. It's a status effect that's given to him through his gear. And even then, there are plenty of other spells that give piercing which are not related to Shadow Magic.

"Rimuru copies numerous abilities that are meant not be "copied" or "learned" from others. Verse Equalization, he can."

Copying the Titanic Lullaby will not help Rimuru in the slightest. Even in his absurdly powerful Divine Paradox state, the Player is still human, and as such is not affected by the song. You can even see this for yourself in the game.

"The Player has no feats that show he can affect versions of a character with Acausality (Type 3)"

http://www.wizard101central.com/wik...x-(Quest)_Showdown_with_Spider_Dialogue_7.png

> Again, piercing resistance is done by Reality Warping which Rimuru resists. Rimuru also has a skill call Magic Cancelor that neutralizes all magic attacks.

• Magic Nullify: An ability which automatically neutralizes all magic attacks, including abilities like death manipulation and existence erasure. All of Base Shion's abilities proved ineffective against Dagruel.

Rimuru would null it.

>The copying point is not completely stated. The implication is that Rimuru can get resistance from Reactive Evolution not just copies it.


>Grandfather Spider doesn't have Acausality (Type 3)

"Rimuru also has a skill call Magic Cancelor that neutralizes all magic attacks."

And the Player has spells in his arsenal that protect from neutralization. Also, what do you think is going to happen if the Player just chooses to use Probability Manipulation to completely dispel Rimuru's abilities?

Even disregarding that the Player is granted a "dispel shield" for every time that he himself gets dispelled, thus protecting him from it happening again.

" >Grandfather Spider doesn't have Acausality (Type 3)"

You're right - he's above it. He completely transcends the boundaries of time, scaling from Raven, and I can prove it.

This video showcases an event in which the Player ends up traveling to the past on account of Grandfather Spider's tinkering. As you can see, the Player was mostly unaffected by the changes, but that's not what this comment is for.

Go to 21:14 in the video and you will see that Raven had traveled through time as well just for the sole purpose of talking to the Player. Not only does this show that she can travel through time, but it shows that she is capable of using said time-manipulation powers in order to find someone who themselves traveled through time. On top of that, she completely undoes everything in 21:45 and resets the time stream back to her preferred norm.

 

[The_Causality]

bimp

 

[Elizhaa]

Rimuru Tempest is acausal is well o time travel won't do anything to him.

Probability Manipulation likely won't work since Rimuru resist resist it and resist stonger varient like Causality Manipulation

Rimuru can also absorb magic not just resist like he did here: Absorbed instant death magic [ch63].

 

[DrakLORD532]

Rimuru FRA

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Rimuru FRA.

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

"> He does this by Reality Warping and 'Rimuru' resisted. I don't believe one can't ignore the source of the ability. Also, Rimuru resisted Magic that could be Classified as Law Manipulation. "
"> Again, piercing resistance is done by Reality Warping which Rimuru resists. Rimuru also has a skill call Magic Cancelor that neutralizes all magic attacks"

Simply "resisting Reality Warping" doesn't suggest that the he is completely above it. Assuming just because can resist some form of reality warping, therefore he can resist it and the abilities it grants is major NLF, if he has no form of combat against the technique itself, to the level shown, then it cannot be used. Furthermore, You can use Shadow Magic and harm and even kill those who resist it in the first place, so "resisting reality warping" won't cut it. In-verse you can literally go immune to Shadow Magic, and yet it can still be bypassed.

">Rimuru copies numerous abilities that are meant not be "copied" or "learned" from others. Verse Equalization, he can. Acausality still works, only one version of Rimuru would be asleep if it works not all of them. The Player has no feats that show he can affect versions of a character with Acausality (Type 3). He only can unless he used Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2) which we have no idea, how it is work, only that he has it."

You do realize that verse equalization only makes it worse for him, right? That means he will face ALL the weaknesses and applications of the Titanic Lullaby. The argument of "verse equalization" makes it that Shadow Magic will work on him as well, because abilities of Shadow Magic has shown to work on those who resist it in the first place, and this argument stands strong without verse equalization, because Shadow Magic can work on beings who resist it, heck, it can even work on Grandfather Spider, who is the very embodiment of Shadow Magic. Once again, resisting it isn't enough, this works for my other point above. Acausality type 3, by definition is showing it in the context that it only happens if the singular entity dies. Verse equalization makes it worse for Rimuru in many other ways as well. Either way, The Player has shown he can affect people from all across the reality such as when he killed The Storm Titan, and affected Storm Magic across all of reality with his concept manipulation, or the time him harming Grandfather Spider affected all of reality (Not revealed how just yet, but it affected all of existence). Adding on, The argument of Concept Manipulation not working previously, relayed on Rimuru's Information Analysis, which has been debunked on being able to work, with no refutation given.

Also, The Titanic Lullaby' 'does work across all existence. Grandfather Spider's Shadow Magic forms all of reality/all of existence. When the Lullaby put Grandfather Spider to sleep, all traces of his Shadow Magic (Which is a sentiant force), was put away as well. And this is even assuming that Acausality (Type 3) works if the person doesn't need to be killed.

As far as Acausality (type 3) is described on the page, it can only happen if the person is killed, I see no implication on the page that it means the person can be replaced if the person is put to sleep, even saying that sounds plain wrong.

Also, Ben meant his comment about Grandfather Spider was in the context that The Player affected the spiral as a whole lol, which was confirmed by WoG. The mission was about resetting all points in time, so it's fair to assume it was literally all of existence. Also, Spider, Raven and Bartleby can affect Type 3 Acausal beings, they have casually manipulated all points in time quite a few times. The Player, as Bartleby's scion, and taking Bartleby's place, logically can as well. Also, worse comes to shove, The Player just doesn't stop singing lol

Acausality type 3:

"Type 3: Temporal Permanence: Characters with this type of Acausality are incredibly difficult to kill, as other versions of themselves - from other points in time and/or from other universes - can survive the Destruction of the "original" and act in their place. This also grants them immunity to changes in the past."

Edit: I'll be making a thread on The Player's Immortality (Type 8) soon. And once again, no real victory condiiton has been given for Rimuru. I've even given the benefit of the doubt about type 3 in a bit of my response

^^^^

Literally all this refutes any of what you just said, Elizhaa

"Probability Manipulation likely won't work since Rimuru resist resist it and resist stonger varient like Causality Manipulation"

>Simply "resisting Reality Warping" doesn't suggest that the he is completely above it. Assuming just because can resist some form of reality warping, therefore he can resist it and the abilities it grants is major NLF, if he has no form of combat against the technique itself, to the level shown, then it cannot be used. Furthermore, You can use Shadow Magic and harm and even kill those who resist it in the first place, so "resisting reality warping" won't cut it. In-verse you can literally go immune to Shadow Magic, and yet it can still be bypassed.

^ This applies to probability Manipulation resistance. Just because one ability is above the other doesn't grant objective resistance. Once again, resistang the Lullaby and being sleepless isn't enough. Verse Equalization in an objective sense makes it worse for him

"Rimuru Tempest is acausal is well o time travel won't do anything to him."

>Insert all arguments for the Titanic Lullaby. Acuasality won't help him against the Lullaby as soon as The Player opens his mouth.

>Also, The Titanic Lullaby' 'does work across all existence. Grandfather Spider's Shadow Magic forms all of reality/all of existence. When the Lullaby put Grandfather Spider to sleep, all traces of his Shadow Magic (Which is a sentiant force), was put away as well. And this is even assuming that Acausality (Type 3) works if the person doesn't need to be killed.

"Rimuru can also absorb magic not just resist like he did here: Absorbed instant death magic [ch63]."

I don't see how that is relevant. Not all his abilities are magic first of all. Also, NLF. Just cause he can absorb some magic and resist it, doesn't mean he can do it to ALL.

Titanic Lulllaby = GG

Battle starts:

Player opens his mouth

Rimuru goes to sleep

 

[Ben_CleverName]

Rimuru Tempest is acausal is well o time travel won't do anything to him.
Probability Manipulation likely won't work since Rimuru resist resist it and resist stonger varient like Causality Manipulation

Rimuru can also absorb magic not just resist like he did here: Absorbed instant death magic [ch63].

"Rimuru Tempest is acausal is well o time travel won't do anything to him."

I never argued that time travel would do anything to him. I was debunking the claim about the Player not being able to affect beings with Acausality.

"Probability Manipulation likely won't work since Rimuru resist resist it and resist stonger varient like Causality Manipulation"

It shouldn't have worked on the Aethyr Titan either, scaling from much weaker bosses, but it did. The Divine Paradox saw to that, and either way the spell also reduces the target's damage output by 100%... or are you going to argue that he can just ignore that too?

"Rimuru can also absorb magic not just resist like he did here: Absorbed instant death magic [ch63]."

So ca the Player . In fact, that last scan is about him absorbing the power of Morganthe, which at the time was enough to be able to completely destroy and remake the Spiral in accordance to her will. It's also worth noting that when he fought her he was much weaker than he is now. No where even close to Divine Paradox status.

 

[The_Causality]

@Zenkai try to avoid to quote large wall of text

 

[GLHF22]

From what i see, nothing work on Rimuru except His Conceptual manip, And likely he wont use it for His first move, while Rimuru Will one shot him with concepts manip if he Resist info anlys, even if he doenst resist Rimuru Will still do the same thing since Rimuru knows he is dangerous

 

[Elizhaa]

From what i see, nothing work on Rimuru except His Conceptual manip, And likely he wont use it for His first move, while Rimuru Will one shot him with concepts manip if he Resist info anlys, even if he doenst resist Rimuru Will still do the same thing since Rimuru knows he is dangerous

I do agre. The Player is resistant to a Higher Conceptual Manipulkation so Rimuru's won't work. But, he does have other instant kill hax.

 

[GLHF22]

I didnt see Resistance to Concept Manip in His profile, or did i Miss something?

 

[Elizhaa]

I didnt see Resistance to Concept Manip in His profile, or did i Miss something?

You are right. Tough, if this is accurate

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

The Divine Paradox being linked with Bartleby and taking over Bartleby's position in the universe will grant The Player Bartleby's techniques and resistances, which includes resistance to concept manipulation and even more hax. It was stated The Player is now infused with the might of the tree. Keep that in mind.

I've yet to see any way Rimuru can kill the player, while I have given quite a few ways The Player outplays Rimuru.

Rimuru's instant death or "ways to kill the player" won't work due to The Player's link with Bartleby. If the player does die or his soul gets destroyed/is erased, Bartleby just brings him back.

Ben has mostly debunked any of the abilities presented for Rimuru, which has recieved no refutation

The Titanic Lullaby has recieved literally no refute or debunk either. As I said, resisting the song or being a sleepless being isn't going to help, and the fact that RImuru is a diety just makes it worse for him, since the song is stronger on gods. The Player can affect a being across all of existence as ben has pointed out, and due to his link to Bartleby, and general feats, the Titanic Lullaby will put all versions of Rimuru to sleep as soon as he opens his mouth.

Also no, The Player's main go to techniques were the Titanic Lullaby and Conceptual Manipulation near the end of the game. The Divine Paradox Conceptually killed the Aeythr titan and destroyed the concept of storm magic across reality, breaking the balance between magic. By lore he did this really quickly, and The Player throughout the game has always gone for the kill. The only relevant time he didn't was the Titanic Lullaby to put The Storm Titan to sleep

Rimuru has relevant abilities. But they are useless is The Player can do the same thing, and better at that.

 

[DrakLORD532]

Rimuru's instant death or "ways to kill the player" won't work due to The Player's link with Bartleby. If the player does die or his soul gets destroyed/is erased, Bartleby just brings him back.

Rimuru can just absorb player rip tthe soul from player instantly(and have it destroyed or absorb)

The Titanic Lullaby has recieved literally no refute or debunk either. As I said, resisting the song or being a sleepless being isn't going to help, and the fact that RImuru is a diety just makes it worse for him, since the song is stronger on gods. The Player can affect a being across all of existence as ben has pointed out, and due to his link to Bartleby, and general feats, the Titanic Lullaby will put all versions of Rimuru to sleep as soon as he opens his mouth.

Can this thing affect clone or diffrent existent in the other dimension or universe altogether? If not rimiru can just gain resistant to it.

 

[GLHF22]

Rimuru can gain your ability by many ways

If Rimuru Absorbs your soul he will become you but much better

also can you give me scan for his resistance to concept manip ?

 

[DrakLORD532]

And pure turn null energy can destroy the universe altogether just by being released without control

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

@GL

Look at the threads for the upgrades. Seriously, it's like me asking for all scans for Rimuru right now, when literally scans have mostly come from Ben for The Player.

"Rimuru can just absorb player rip tthe soul from player instantly(and have it destroyed or absorb)"

As ben mentioned, The Player can do relatively the same thing.

"Can this thing affect clone or diffrent existent in the other dimension or universe altogether? If not rimiru can just gain resistant to it."

Across all of existence. That means everything. The Titanic Lullaby will work.

Again, the arguments for Rimuru have literally no backbone and they are literally coming one after the other if another reasoning gets debunked. Legit argument hopping at this point while me and ben have remained consistent in ours. There have been next to no refutes either and just ignoring of points. I'll say it again. If the player dies, has his soul destroyed/absorbed/is erased from existence, then Bartleby will literally just bring him back.

"And pure turn null energy can destroy the universe altogether just by being released without control"

These characters can tank the destruction of the multiverse, so I don't see how that helps

 

[GLHF22]

at least proivide link for the thread

you only need give me 1 scan for it

also im pretty sure there is alot of scan in Rimuru profile check it if you want to know

 

[NeoSuperior]

In regards to Titanic Lullaby I'd like to first ask how a "god" that gets set asleep instantly is defined in comparison to "mortals" that are supposedly able to resist if they are strong enough, as well how the spell reacts to anyone who is none of the above/something in-between. I'd like to know that because strictly speaking Rimuru doesn't possess any sort of specific "divinity" that clearly marks him as a "god". He's just a Japanese Salaryman who reincarnated as a Low 7-B Slime (actually started off even lower) who gradually powered himself up to 2-B-level.

Furthermore, even if Titanic Lullaby does work on Rimuru, it would get instantly dispelled due to Manas:Ciel who is unaffected by Rimuru being asleep/unconscious and can simultanously temporary take over control over Rimuru's body, as well as use reactive evolution to immdietly reverse-engineer and counter the spell's effect and wake up Rimuru from his sleep, all of that in an instant. Additionally, that spell would no longer work on Rimuru again.

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

Firstly to clear up, the Titanic Lullaby isn't a spell, it's a technique and likely an application from The Song of Creation, which was made from The Creator, The supreme being of the verse.

"In regards to Titanic Lullaby I'd like to first ask how a "god" that gets set asleep instantly is defined in comparison to "mortals" that are supposedly able to resist if they are strong enough, as well how the spell reacts to anyone who is none of the above/something in-between. I'd like to know that because strictly speaking Rimuru doesn't possess any sort of specific "divinity" that clearly marks him as a "god"

Verse equalization, as Elizhaa said. You're a god if you have been stated to be a god, in any form of way in Wizard101. You don't need initial, true divinity to be considered one. The Player himself is not a god, he just transcended to a level and took over Bartleby's role in the cosmos. Mortals are defined generally as anything less than 4-D power. In fact, interestingly enough, in-verse, when you go to universe busting power, you gain cosmic/godly aura just randomly, with verse-equalization, it will be applied to Rimuru

"Furthermore, even if Titanic Lullaby does work on Rimuru, it would get instantly dispelled due to Manas:Ciel who is unaffected by Rimuru being asleep/unconscious and can simultanously temporary take over control over Rimuru's body, as well as use reactive evolution to immdietly reverse-engineer and counter the spell's effect and wake up Rimuru from his sleep, all of that in an instant. Additionally, that spell would no longer work on Rimuru again."

Major stretch. I've already responded to this sort of argument. The Titanic Lullaby is an ability that one cannot wake up from. The only way some characters planned to awake the titans from their sleep was by accessing Bartleby's Eye of History, which is affilated with Bartleby himself who was the one who put the Titans to sleep. The only person, who can wake up these beings is the caster. Also, I'm pretty sure those affiliated with Rimuru will get put to sleep to, as the characters with their abilities have harmed an individual from across existence, and directly to those who are connectd to them. Him gaining some sort of resistance, or his reactive evolution is moot, as once again, resistances, immunatiies, being sleepless does not help against the lullaby, as it has put sleepless beings to sleep in the past, which is the ultimate defense for this sort of technique. In fact, it put Spider himself to sleep, who was supposed to have every possible counter for it. Honestly figures like the fact that I've mentioned why Rimuru's ways of surviving the Lullaby won't work is being ignored lol. Also, why are we assuming that that ciel man's can do that in the first place. Has he ever helped Rimuru from a technique, that is exactly like the Lullaby? If not, assuming he can do it is NLF

Also, The Player is about to get Mid-Godly Regenerationn and immortality dependent on a being who can resurrect him instantly from death or erasure or worse. So the victory conditions of Rimuru killing him eventually is moot now. At that point, The Player's concept manipulation kicks in even if we assume the Lullaby won't work, which it will.

 

[Junkoposter]

I keep reading Rimuru's name as Reimu's ovo

 

[Ben_CleverName]

In regards to Titanic Lullaby I'd like to first ask how a "god" that gets set asleep instantly is defined in comparison to "mortals" that are supposedly able to resist if they are strong enough, as well how the spell reacts to anyone who is none of the above/something in-between. I'd like to know that because strictly speaking Rimuru doesn't possess any sort of specific "divinity" that clearly marks him as a "god". He's just a Japanese Salaryman who reincarnated as a Low 7-B Slime (actually started off even lower) who gradually powered himself up to 2-B-level.
Furthermore, even if Titanic Lullaby does work on Rimuru, it would get instantly dispelled due to Manas:Ciel who is unaffected by Rimuru being asleep/unconscious and can simultanously temporary take over control over Rimuru's body, as well as use reactive evolution to immdietly reverse-engineer and counter the spell's effect and wake up Rimuru from his sleep, all of that in an instant. Additionally, that spell would no longer work on Rimuru again.

"In regards to Titanic Lullaby I'd like to first ask how a "god" that gets set asleep instantly is defined in comparison to "mortals" that are supposedly able to resist if they are strong enough"

It's not about how strong they are. It just doesn't work on mortals, period. Demigods and "half-mortals" if that's what you want to call it are capable of resisting it slightly, but they still face the danger of being affected.

But since you asked about strength, gods in Wizard101 are ranged anywhere from 3-A (The Bat , who was able to resist the song while still being affected by it) and 2-B (The Titans, who were put to sleep instantly by the song).

Zenkai and I could go over more details later if you want.

 

[GLHF22]

Dino Ability which make people enter the eternal sleep, work to demon or angel who doesnt need to sleep, and as stated above Ciel can take control Rimuru body, by copying / stealing your ability he/she can negate it because s/he will understand it

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

@GLH

Already responsed to the argument that Rimuru can copy/steal/negate/resist the ability my friend, look up. Saying it over and over again won't make it true. you're just rince and repeating at this point, sorry if that sounds rude.

 

[GLHF22]

i dont think the concpet of sleep apply for Ciel, Ciel is just a mass of energy who have awareness and exist just to "thinking" she is truly abstract existance which exist deep whithin RImuru soul, not to mention she is just a "skill"

 

[GLHF22]

so you want to say Rimuru cant copy/steal your ability?

 

[GLHF22]

Rimuru steal your soul means he will become you ver 2.0

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

@GLH

Grandfather Spider is a type 1 abstract being who embodies a type 2 concept, and is type 5 Acausal. His sentiant, omnipresent, conceptual shadow magic was put into sleep as well, and shadow magic is magic that forms reality. So Ciel isn't anything the Lullaby hasn't put to sleep before. And yet, well, in Spider's own words "Spider roared and trashed against the heavens, and finally, fell into a sleep"

And yes, I have mentioned why that can't work multiple times now.