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Rimuru Tempest vs Sonic

In order to truly beat Rimuru you need to kill all Rimurus all planes of existence.

The Rimuru that Sonic is facing

The Rimuru that is hiding in imaginary space which is not in the real world because it's inside Rimuru's stomach dimension which you need space exceeding attacks

The Rimuru in Earth which is Satoru Mikamu (a human) which is in another Dimension


Mind you that Rimuru can make more clones and each clones is equal to the original one and has the same mindset


If Sonic didn't do anything to all the clones at the same time, Rimuru will adapt and gains resistance to Sonic's sealing and the other Rimuru will send another clone of Rimuru from imaginary and that version of Rimuru is now equipped with counter measures to Sonic's attack.
 
Milly Rocking Bandit said:
How did his fatehax end up sealing him?
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It was Tails that sealed Master Mogul. However, Mogul does not blame Tails for his sealing. He puts the blame on Sonic.

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Also, note how Mogul wording in his speech bubble. Even though it is just Sonic and Mogul present and Mogul senses no one nearby with the power to stop him from killing Sonic, he is certain someone or something would stop/incap him in the last possible moment to save Sonic.
 
MrDrProfessorPatricio said:
If Sonic didn't do anything to all the clones at the same time, Rimuru will adapt and gains resistance to Sonic's sealing and the other Rimuru will send another clone of Rimuru from imaginary and that version of Rimuru is now equipped with counter measures to Sonic's attack.
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Isn't it NLF to say Rimuru would adapt to all of the FateHax's at least 2-A defenses?
 
Yes it is NLF to say that sorry since that always Rimuru does and wins and also the reason why Rimuru jumped from Tier 6-A to to High 4-C then High 4-C to 2-B but he still have passive hax which includes sleep manip
 
Well, yeah. I'm not too knowledgeable when it comes to "resisting MindHax is the same as resisting "SleepHax" so there is still that.
 
Then yes, it works on Sonic. Hm... does it require distance? How much distance?
 
Well he doesnt activate his passive when Rimuru's people in the area but otherwise he has it activated. For the range, I kinda forgot about the web novel version of it but it should be superior to Veldora which when he was sealed, his aura covers half of the Jura Forest which is the size of the continent
 
So, the SleepHax is not passive in this scenario. Is it thought based, is the question.
 
No it is passive, he always deactivate it if there are citizens of Rimuru and almost all of Rimuru's abilities are thought based due to Chant annulment
 
Ah wait I'm gonna correct my part about the clones. This version of Rimuru doesnt have connection yet to Satoru Mikami so yeah Sonic needs to do something the clone at imaginary space. I don't know how super peel out is gonna help though. Kinda leaning on Rimuru tho
 
The FateHax would take care of it. You know how verse matches says no outside help? Well, because the nature of Sonic's FateHax, it would ignore that rule in order for Sonic not to die. So if Rimuru comes at Sonic with the intention to kill, someway, somehow, that clone in imaginary space would... i'm not too sure how but be in a state where it could no longer do fatal harm to Sonic.
 
It's not outside help really because it's all part of Rimuru's abilities and that clone in imaginary space is from outside the real world spamming Rimuru clones with reactive evolution. It's possible that Rimuru will turn into 2-A because he suddenly go 6-A to High 4-C in a single fight and High 4-C to 2-B also in a single fight due to how absurd his RE is but scratch that idea because of NLF. I don't think fate hax will stop his passive though (need more info about his fatehax)

Edit: Oh yeah as soon as the fight start Sonic goes to sleep due to passive hax and Rimuru will know that killing Sonic is a bad idea due to his info analysis
 
ElixirBlue said:
The FateHax would take care of it. You know how verse matches says no outside help? Well, because the nature of Sonic's FateHax, it would ignore that rule in order for Sonic not to die. So if Rimuru comes at Sonic with the intention to kill, someway, somehow, that clone in imaginary space would... i'm not too sure how but be in a state where it could no longer do fatal harm to Sonic.
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Again we have already shown a previous match with Sonic against another character which proved that his fate Hax doesn't apply to passives that incap sonic. The Rimuru in imaginary space doesn't "help" Rimuru, it just allows Rimuru to continue to send clones out to battle unless the opponent is able to intrude on the space or have the range to be able to kill him. And it allows him to endlessly analyze his opponent and come up with the most optimal strategy to defeat them.
 
@Jaw201 not to disregard everything you just said but i'm making a jab at the optimal strategy part.

Strategies are meaningless when it comes to Archie Sonic. He is patently unpredictable. The embodiment of Chaos. Embodiment and the like are always tossed around in fiction a lot but in this case, it's another way to describe Sonic's FateHax.

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Rimuru's analysis is very different. It's a skill of him which an intelligent AI(Ciel) is finding all the origins of Sonic and executing plan which is the best outcome and it gives information too Rimuru in an instant plus Ciel is a nigh-omniscience being.
 
Doesn't matter where it comes from. It's still a plan. And Dr. Eggman has used intelligent AIs to try to plan for Sonic (why won't he?) and still the "chaos in the equation" functions. Besides, Dr. Eggman has all the knowledge of Sonic for years and still can't plan for him.
 
If it's incap in nature and Rimuru doesn't go for the kill, Rimuru wins. If Rimuru goes for the kill, Rimuru loses, even with his passives since Sonic's passive FateHax is stronger.
 
And Sonic doesn't threaten. He just antagonize his opponents. Playful name calling and the like.
 
Base Sonic (unlike Super and definitely Ultra) doesn't the options to finish off Rimuru or incap him and Rimuru can't kill Sonic or he would essentially be finishing himself off due to FateHax.

Rimuru has a SleepHax that isn't magic based so Sonic can't resist it. Sonic can resist MindHax if someone wants further that side of the argument but otherwise, Sonic gets put to sleep.

That's the gist of it.
 
Super Sonic could finish off Rimuru's imaginary space but that's not Base Sonic.
 
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