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if it is supernatural as a whole, then rimuru have no wincon and the match is a stomp, close this
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Rimuru Tempest (Light Novel) vs Gilgamesh (Fate Series)
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Just a example, any Magical Hax that they don't have resistance against they shouldn't resist it.
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But they already have resistance against those, what I mean, is, that they wouldn't resist any other Magical Hax that they haven't shown resistance against.
Loyd
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i know, but if they didnt
if its paranormal in nature they would probably resist, unless the opponent was some tier 1 using some infinitely higher D magic or something
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Loyd
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some of his skills apparently are different from supernatural and if he has amps or higher ap he can always do it the old fashion way no magic, just fists.
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I pretty sure it depend on the potency lf the thing.
If a perso is tell to resist magic manipulation as a whole that he have specificaly resisted evey magic based power in his verse but here his adverse have by ex adhesive manipulation magic that didn't exist in his verse, no reason he shouldn't resist, pretty sure SBA verse equalization prevent that but if it's a thing way above what he showed than yeah
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it isnt, even with his skills not being magic based, it still fits under ''supernatural'', so no
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Are Servant's Hax resistances tier 1??
Anyway, what I mean is, that, they wouldn't resist any Hax that they don't have resistance against, in the same tier and layers that their Hax resistances are.
For example, they have tier Low 1-C resistance to some Haxxes, then they should be able to be affected by wherether Hax that they don't have resistance against in the same level.
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Hell no, it doesnt, thats good lol
Loyd
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some iirc, i don't bother with the magic inverse explanation anymore, just know they have beefy layers.
Loyd
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Zencha9
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you can't be serious......
yes this whole thread we're talking about fate's magic not general magic resistance
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Yeah, there is a reason why he shouldn't resist. Is Hax outside his verse, and a Hax that he hasn't shown to resist. We can't assume that the character would be able to resist It without feats or statements backing It up. Becouse that would be a "barden proof fallacy" and most likely a NLF. Claiming things above what the character has previously shown.
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Except he resist magic as a whole not specific hax. If he fight somelne from a' other that have magic too he will resist depending on the potency because it's magic
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But, if there is Hax that character hasn't ever faced on his verse, then that character shouldn't have resistance against.
That's like saying that no one outside Narutoverse can get out from Genjutsu becouse it's not a Uchiha.
Again, we can't claim things about a character that wasn't shown In canon.
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I didnt, no, Milly said that skills arent really magic based, which is true, but skills still are supernatural, I assume that Supernatural means everything non-normal, right?
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Why??? we are talking about a specific resistance against Hax, and how that would apply to VSbattles, nothing silly about it
Zencha9
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that's not how this works on site if you have a problem with it then change the rules as it is right now
gil resists fate's magic fate's magic includes almost every hax known to man so he resists
Loyd
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Yes, your right and i think everybody here understands the nlf but again the Fate verse is one of those big exceptions its very broad because they resist the paranormal in general.
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Seems like this apply only with in verse Magic resistance in Fate. So it's not a general rule of the site
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not really a rule per say but it's how things are treated
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There are certain exceptions to avoiding NLFing verse equalization for magic, and that is if your universe's magic is constructed in such a way that it allows you to make hax but it is not constrained within the ruleset of its own universe. Think of it less like "resistance to Fate magic" and more "Resistance to everything Fate magic is capable of".
So instead of specifically having a resistance to Fate Magic, you just resist everything that it can do, regardless of whether the source is Fate Magic or not. I think this is what is being applied to Gilgamesh.
So instead of specifically having a resistance to Fate Magic, you just resist everything that it can do, regardless of whether the source is Fate Magic or not. I think this is what is being applied to Gilgamesh.
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Yeah that makes more sense.
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Ok, so this is like the guy above said, the character has resistance to every Hax shown to be done through the verse's Magic. But being that said, the character wouldn't have resistance to a Hax that wasn't shown to be done in verse, I'm a right???
Loyd
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Rimuru can still try to beat him up, and just because gil resists stuff doesnt mean rimuru cant use buffs on herself, does he not have any amps? i think somebody said he can use skills to auto fight with his sword, did gil resist info analysis again? he can still teleport away from danmaku, anything is possible before gil pulls Ea
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Rimuru 6-C comes from upscaling from a High 7-A feat, so it wont be useful, and his statistic amplification isnt even that good, everything that rimuru can do is try to dodge the danmaku but eventually dies to Ea
Loyd
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think fate is at that point where the fate villains are doing tier 1 shenanigans to beat servants
its hard to find something they dont resist without it outright being complex mumbo jumbo higher tier affecting everything because reasons.
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So the Hax that they haven't shown to resist should be as potent, if not, way more potent than their resistance to work??
Loyd
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Gils not armored, he still does have a stat amp and his wincon is still everything before Ea
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What if we use last key Rimuru here, instead of this one??
Loyd
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Yeah its just blatantly higher potency or tier 1 stuff.
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doesnt gil even without armor resist a lot of layers of shit? I mean, I have no idea how fate works and literally nobody explain how much layers it does
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I asked it but they said no, so yeah, Gilgamesh 6-C with Low 1-C hax VS Rimuru that upscales from High 7-A with all powers being useless
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Mid Godly should incon with Gil
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th 6-A key could just AP stomp btw
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