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Right Back Atcha Buckeroo (LoL 5D Downgrade)

They're on different matters. But, if 5-D LOL gets denied, the other thread doesn't matter much at all.
 
You literally repeated what you said in the original threads that we argued back over and again and got it accepted. and monarch's thread only affects the dark stars.
 
You do realize that the arguments being the same as before doesn't mean anything in regards to their validity right.

These are just about the only arguments to go for anyways, so unless you're basically saying that i'm not allowed to disagree with 5D LoL you need to suck it up and deal with it.
 
If you're confident in the validity of the ratings, why not prove them here, he went through and opposed the stuff in the blog and previous threads, so just linking them and going "here is proof" makes 0 sense.

Imma have to agree with the op as of now, because the opposition hasn't provided anything beyond the same stuff that the op went through to attempt to disprove, and "but Ultima said it was"
 
Haven't really looked at the scans involving the Void in the thread where I accepted Low 1-C LoL, since I was moreso focusing on the Celestial Realm stuff, but looking through the blog, several of them don't really have much to do with tiering (like Hl3 said) and mostly consist of statements regarding the Void being timeless or it being separated from the physical world by a "veil".

The only scan that I can see qualifying for Low 1-C is this one, which states the Void is "beyond, outside and somehow beneath the material plane", which I suppose refers to it encompassing a 2-A multiverse in this case.

Basically, if the Void contains and completely trivializes the multiverse and it's space-time, then I can see it being Low 1-C. If not, then...

Onto the Celestial Realm, I think most of the stuff in the blog is vague and doesn't really warrant the current tier. What I was fine with being Low 1-C was most specifically the tidbits about it residing in a higher reality "above" the material plane and it's spacetime. As, based on what Weekly told me, the summit of the world is a direct gateway to the Celestial Realm and a place where time and space in general start to cease functioning and all history starts to be seen as one and whatnot, which I assumed to happen because the Realm itself is superior to both in mature, and thus reality becoming fucky like that is a result of entering it.
 
@Ultima The Void is equal and opposite of the Celestial Realm, they xist on the same level and are in a constant state of fighting each other
 
Ultima Reality said:
the summit of the world is a direct gateway to the Celestial Realm and a place where time and space in general start to cease functioning and all history starts to be seen as one and whatnot, which I assumed to happen because the Realm itself is superior to both in mature, and thus reality becoming fucky like that is a result of entering it.
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This doesn't seem like quite a founded assumption. Time and space can cease functioning in places that aren't higher dimensional.
 
Its not that they just cease function, theyre flat out stated to be lower layers of reality and finite to the Celestials, who in turn are able to percieve 4th dimensional constructs as finite as per Zoe's (albeit childish) explanation of how mortal reality functions
 
You should post scans of that, because those would in fact be 5D. Not the layer thing, btw, since that means nothing without a helluva lot more context.
 
Nothing in either blog says anything that you just stated. If it did this thread and my previous objections to 5D LoL wouldn't have existed.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Its not that they just cease function, theyre flat out stated to be lower layers of reality and finite to the Celestials, who in turn are able to percieve 4th dimensional constructs as finite as per Zoe's (albeit childish) explanation of how mortal reality functions
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This is not stated to be how the mortal world functions from some higher perspective, though. She just says that she likes to see the end of "finite realities" with zero context.

I agree with Monarch's sentiment, as well, after thinking about that for a bit.
 
Zoe watched the ends of universes from within the Celestial Realm which has multiple statements of being able to view the entirety of the multiverse's space-time at once as well as being able to physically view 4-dimensional space
 
Zoe saw the end of realities from the celestial realm. The Celestial Realm and the Void are fighting each other, "Sonething vs Nothing" (in a nutshell), and both have affected each other.

As mentioned before, Zoe even mentions how celestials see 4-Dimensional stuff that can't even be measured by 3-D beings. This is a trivial thing for them; plus, they see time/causality from a higher perspective
 
@Weekly none of that is 5D

@Schro the only thing there that could be 5D is the last bit, which needs a scan
 
I think Hl3 has a point here

Zoe's 5-D evidence is solely on how he perceives the Celestials which perceives 4-D stuffs which needs a scan

The rest of the arguments of the 5-D stuffs are not really here
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Seeing 4-D space-time as finite and a lower realm is 5-D
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Finite no. Seeing something as finite doesn't mean you are transcendent to it. It being 4D space-time doesn't change that.

Lower realm maybe but not necessarily. Simply being located above something doesn't equal transcendent power. Hell is often depicted as "below" our world in fiction while heaven is depicted as "higher" yet these realms are just as often equal in nature.
 
Problem is theyre not equal in nature. Mortals cant survive in the Celestial Realm without being a vessel for a Celestial's power

Meanwhile Celestials blatantly need 3-Dimensional vessels to interact with the mortal world
 
Needing an avatar isn't indicative of transcendent superiority. Nor is being unable to survive in a location.
 
the Void is 2-A, to a lesser extent than the full cosmology. League has various multiverses inside of its cosmology.
 
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