@Mineta
Right yeah sure, nothing rude was meant by it,
She was actually stronger than Trunks during her debut ofc, and Cell was Cell, literally made to absorb the two androids in order o become stronger. She's definitely surpassed Cell now that she can break Kachii Katchin. 3-A is pretty much casual in the sense that any who can contend with a base Goku/vegeta or higher, or force him to transform. Even Cabba and Magetta are at that level, so i dont see why Ribrianne, who was overall more of an actual threat than them, so i dont see why an 18 who was specifically one of the better fighters in this tourney, and even considered it, couldnt be 3-A with the feats she had gained post her transformation.
And i honestly dont know if you're being ignorant or not, as i have literally stated a load if her 3-A feats, her most notable being able to fight evenly with 17 at what we can assume was her bloodlust, and easily broke his forcefield with a single punch.
No, thats not the point. in his flashback, he remembered the more notable stronger fighters he had thought, like Kefla, the GoDs and Universe 9 trio.Ribrianne was right there with them, not some of the other fodder fighters, so he does remember her distinctly when he was talking about strong opponents at the time, not just any of the fighters. And yeah, she did lose her weak transformation after SSB, but again, 3-A is an extremely wide tier, both Goku and SSB goku fit into it, and heck so does Anilaza. Base Goku is still 3-A after absorbing it, and Goku legit stated he couldnt phase her in that state. Theres nothing that says she cant be in 3-A. Heck, both Kale and Caulifla were fighting a surpressed Goku, but theyre still 3-A for the very reason. Caulifla at least, Kale has more backing.
Backwards logic as in the reasoning is behind '18 beat Ribrianne who is 4-B or whatever' and 'Ribrianne lost to 18 and therefore is 4-B'. Theryre both being marked for fighting eachother etc, even though ribrianne at a much stronger level of her power, and a better fighting mindset, kept up with 17. everyone agrees it was bullshit 18 even beat ribrianne from the start and was merely to give her a moment, but with the power up there, theres still more solid reasoning for them both just being 3-A in my opinion than the lowball High 4-B they have got, which is on the same level as the fodders. 18 and ribrianne were definitely on the far end of the power list. And Ribrianne 'at her strongest', was also able to contend with multiple 3-A's, and only lost because really, for plot, since it was only to give 18 a good moment.
It is controversial, back when it first emerged there was loads of talk about it to the point they had to temporarily suspend discussion about ToP scaling. 17 was also a controversial topic. They however might be admins, but aren't the ones at the end of the day who can solely decide on the scaling, so as long as theres an argument ill keep, we can still debate. I actually would like them to respond to this, or specifically me, because i dont reall it ever happening.
Also it solves less if i were arguing this with you in a message wall instead of an actual revision thread lol.
Well Goku, Vegeta AND 17 (17 the key one you keep forgetting) have both at times struggled fighting her, even in transformed states, and 17 who wasn't supressing himself at all due to no consequence in doing so. Im arguing for something like ' At least lowball tier, possibly (actual tier) , as we actually have evidence for that limit to be 3-A, rather than just being blunt with possibly far higher. Im still a firm believer of 3-A Ribrianne and 18 though, but if we were to bring that up again, it would only spark the controversy.
And so what? Just because your mind was changed doesnt mean people dont still have valid points, nor can you look down on them.In any fact you havent actually been responding to the main points, as in how Ribrianne isnt 3-A for merely being tossed by what seemed to be a suppressed goku (that would still be 3-A), and the fact that we literally saw her in her strongest state (that wasnt complete outliers and plot progressors), fighting evenly with 17 and breaking his barrier, who was NOT suppressed.
