Revisiting Toneri's Moon Split

[KLOL506]

Also wasn't it decided that Jyuubi Hagoromo would scale to the full value of his own Chibaku Tensei and that Naruto and Sasuke both share half of his power and in turn would scale to the 274.5 exaton value each?

That would make Ghost Hagoromo Low 5-B (Since Low 5-B starts at 433 exatons while the full CT yield is 549 exatons) while SPSM Naruto and Rinnegan Sasuke would be stuck at 5-C+. Which unironically puts Kaguya at Low 5-B as well (Because well, she's still superior to Juubi Hags).

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

which is pretty much nearly everyone but Toneri and naruto from the last lol
Big Oof

 

[KLOL506]

which is pretty much nearly everyone but Toneri and naruto from the last lol
Big Oof

LMAO, the only Low 5-Bs then would be Ghost Hags and his bunny mom

 

[DaReaperMan]

 

[Damage3245]

Also wasn't it decided that Jyuubi Hagoromo would scale to the full value of his own Chibaku Tensei and that Naruto and Sasuke both share half of his power and in turn would scale to the 274.5 exaton value each?

I don't think so. Naruto and Sasuke wouldn't be scaling to Jyuubi Hagoromo.

They'd both be 5-C.

Also, Jyuubi Hagoromo wouldn't be scaling to the full value of the CT. Didn't we just cover this up above?

 

[Purgy]

Why would this make Hagoromo Low 5-B anyway?

He only scales to the full yield of Naruto/Sasuke's Chibaku Tensei which is 403.4 Exatons.

 

[KLOL506]

I don't think so. Naruto and Sasuke wouldn't be scaling to Jyuubi Hagoromo.

They'd both be 5-C.

Also, Jyuubi Hagoromo wouldn't be scaling to the full value of the CT. Didn't we just cover this up above?

I thought Naruto and Sasuke would both each be scaling to half of Jyuubi Hagoromo.

Also I didn't see your post regarding Jyuubi Hagoromo not scaling to the full value of his own CT he made with Hamura.

 

[Damage3245]

I thought Naruto and Sasuke would both each be scaling to half of Jyuubi Hagoromo.

No, I don't think so. The version of Hagoromo they recieved chakra from is no longer a Juubi host. In fact ghost Hagoromo is scaling from both Naruto and Sasuke.

 

[KLOL506]

No, I don't think so. The version of Hagoromo they recieved chakra from is no longer a Juubi host. In fact ghost Hagoromo is scaling from both Naruto and Sasuke.

I see.

Well then, guess we'll have to wait for Nerd's calc to have a thread.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

then it would be 200 for Naruto and Sasuke No?

which is just Moon level.

 

[KLOL506]

then it would be 200 for Naruto and Sasuke No?

which is just Moon level.

For now, yes.

Though, this makes me ask, why did we not initially assume that they sent the moon flying at escape velocity in the first place?

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

damn lucky I didnt go far with the re re edits.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

anyway all profiles should be fine then.

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

anyway all profiles should be fine then.

I thought that Hagoromo and Hamura would still be 5-C+ for their own CT Calc with Kaguya being 5-C+ due to scaling to them?

 

[Purgy]

I thought that Hagoromo and Hamura would still be 5-C+ for their own CT Calc with Kaguya being 5-C+ due to scaling to them?

Hagoromo and Hamura's calc is 548 Exatons and they each scale to half of it, so 274 Exatons.

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Hagoromo and Hamura's calc is 548 Exatons and they each scale to half of it, so 274 Exatons.

5-C+ starts at 231 Exatons

 

[Purgy]

5-C+ starts at 231 Exatons

Oh you're right, my bad, I thought you were arguing for them to be Low 5-B.

 

[KLOL506]

Oh you're right, my bad, I thought you were arguing for them to be Low 5-B.

Nah, we stopped a while back. The Low 5-B stuff will have to wait for Nerd's thread.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

wouldnt that make Kaguya Moon level+ and by Proxy Naruto????

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

wouldnt that make Kaguya Moon level+ and by Proxy Naruto????

Kaguya, yes. Naruto, I'm not too sure. He downscales from her, so idk if he'd scale to the full value.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Kaguya, yes. Naruto, I'm not too sure. He downscales from her, so idk if he'd scale to the full value.

his Bijuu Rasenshurikens damaged her quite a bit, he also tore off her arm.

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

wouldnt that make Kaguya Moon level+ and by Proxy Naruto????

Hagoromo still states that Kaguya was stronger than him.

While for Naruto he doesn't necessarily have to be 5-C+ to harm Kaguya he can still be 5-C (200 Exatons) and still harm her

 

[Galvino]

Naruto definitely got stronger in the kaguya fight, but I doubt enough to be her equal.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

his Bijuu Rasenshurikens damaged her quite a bit, he also tore off her arm.

Nah, she was fine for the most part, only suffering minor scratches. After 9 simultaneous attacks mind you. I think all of Naruto's feats against her would be plausible with him being slightly below her. He'll be 200 Exatons, while Kaguya will be anywhere from 274 to 403 at most. So not a big gap.

 

[KLOL506]

Nah, she was fine for the most part, only suffering minor scratches. After 9 simultaneous attacks mind you. I think all of Naruto's feats against her would be plausible with him being slightly below her. He'll be 200 Exatons, while Kaguya will be anywhere from 274 to 403 at most. So not a big gap.

Pretty sure Kaguya is straight-up said to scale above Hags in both cases.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Pretty sure Kaguya is straight-up said to scale above Hags in both cases.

Yes, that is true also.

 

[Reio35]

Naruto and sasuke both got a half of hagos power in additions to their own individual power

 

[Cyberblader90]

Wasnt kaguya getting continuously weaker with each dimension shift till she took more chakra in? granted she absorbed a bit of naruto and sasuke's chakra after the first shift, but then does like 3 more shifts if i recall. Zetsu and the databook if i recall mentions it drains a massive amount of chakra. might explain why naruto was able to cleave her arm off after her fourth shift (pre absorbing more chakra)

 

[NotCensored]

The Tenseigan had the energy to thrust the Moon into the Earth and simultaneously protect Toneri's castle from the destruction that followed. Taking another look at the movie, Toneri never directly scaled to the Tenseigan, but Naruto and Hinata managed to destroy it and disperse its energy with a combined attack (most of it was Naruto's own power, though).

Kind of heavily implied to be entirely Naruto's doing power wise

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Kind of heavily implied to be entirely Naruto's doing power wise

Yeah, it was done through Naruto's power, but he needed Hinata's chakra in order to bypass the Tenseigan's invulnerability.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

moon level base naruto please?

 

[Reio35]

Wasnt kaguya getting continuously weaker with each dimension shift till she took more chakra in? granted she absorbed a bit of naruto and sasuke's chakra after the first shift, but then does like 3 more shifts if i recall. Zetsu and the databook if i recall mentions it drains a massive amount of chakra. might explain why naruto was able to cleave her arm off after her fourth shift (pre absorbing more chakra)

Yep but she became even stronger after going to the core dimension. She still got negged by team 7

 

[Slacjow]

Yep but she became even stronger after going to the core dimension. She still got negged by team 7

By Kakashi's Kamui you mean.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

moon level base naruto please?

nah we already agreed that Naruto can draw power from his other forms without needing to directly transform, hence why Base Naruto crapped on Amped Momoshiki with his rasengan.
that reminds me Naruto was meant to be revised as Varies in Base as oppose to Unknown.

 

[Reio35]

By Kakashi's Kamui you mean.

They all helped naruto riped her arm off and hit her with resangans

 

[Slacjow]

They all helped naruto riped her arm off and hit her with resangans

tf are you talking about?
That happened before she went to the core Dimension to power up.

 

[NotCensored]

nah we already agreed that Naruto can draw power from his other forms without needing to directly transform, hence why Base Naruto crapped on Amped Momoshiki with his rasengan.
that reminds me Naruto was meant to be revised as Varies in Base as oppose to Unknown.

At best you can say he can draw from Kurama and the Tailed Beasts etc he definitely wasn't using Senjutsu during that so he'd at least be 10x above the feat at full power

 

[Reio35]

tf are you talking about?
That happened before she went to the core Dimension to power up.

My bad but still sakura broke her horn and naruto and sasuke scale to her

 

[Cyberblader90]

im pretty sure thats accepted as an outlier is it not?

 

[Nullflowerblush]

I don't see why not. Nobody else (y'know, outside of the god-tiers) scales to her, and as an adult, she was able to body Shin who gave Naruto and Sasuke a bit of a hard time.