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Revision on Hollow Knight Verse AP and Durability
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Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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Been ages since I've touched Hollow Knight, but the stuff about the floor already being weakened when the feat was performed makes sense. Will wait for other knowledgeable members to comment before taking a side though.
By the way, in the first version of the calc, somebody mentioned breaking the crystals in Crystal Peak and how that could be a decent AP feat as well. Not good enough at math to do it myself, but it'd be good to check before jumping down to street level.
By the way, in the first version of the calc, somebody mentioned breaking the crystals in Crystal Peak and how that could be a decent AP feat as well. Not good enough at math to do it myself, but it'd be good to check before jumping down to street level.
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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In fact, why use insect size?
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Because everything is bug sized in the verse.
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Seems reasonable yeah. I wouldn't bother with the crystals though, they tend to give lower than you'd expect
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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That's disappointing. Any other supporting feats we can turn to?
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None. I don't remember anything notable other than the Knight breaking some walls and ground.
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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What about destroying the entrance to Hallownest at the beginning of the game? Could just divide the energy it takes to destroy it by the number of hits needed. I can find how many hits it takes in a bit, assuming I still have HK installed :v
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That's pretty huge, but it takes a couple of hit and the door could be weaker than we thought since...it's pretty old and all, and there's a possibilities it's not violent fragmentation and will result lower.
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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Takes 13 hits, but the entrance is noticeably cracked. I'll let someone else determine if it's usable, though. At worst, it's a decent supporting street level feat.
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It's cracked, and it doesn't seem it's a violent fragmentation either, I think it will result lower.
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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Seems like regular fragmentation to me, there are quite a few large chunks that fly out when you fully break it.
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Exactly, I think it will result lower than the one with the VF one. Did you not read what I said earlier? Hehe.
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Is this mentioned anywhere? Because the physics of the game actually contradicts this. The bugs in the verse can even swim (In the same scan there are aquatic plants, which certainly do not have the size of centimeters)
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Sooooo basically it is never stated the size of this verse, then it is really a matter of if we gonna based this in a RL biology view (Insects and nails are small) Or a RL fisics view (Insects can't swim)
You can totally go to the second way, but unfortunately i can't think a lot more of arguments for each side
OBS: You can haver smaller species of plant, although one of the kind show in the screenshot probably would be a little bigger in the supposed ratio, again this discrepancy already exists within the species from were the characters are based
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Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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Unsure if we should use Silksong for any scaling since, y'know, it isn't even out yet. Right now scaling to mantises or the stag beetle is the most reliable option we have. Also, some bugs can swim, and when we don't know what species Hornet or the Knight are supposed to be, I wouldn't say them swimming proves much of anything.
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None of the plants on this site look like the ones I posted. The ones I showed look like a victory regia
I will look for more things about the physics of the game
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Is it the big coin crystal?
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Different Nails does IIRC, idk about different Charm tho. I can check it out with the pure nail and try some later maybe.
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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You should also ask here.
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some charms can such as the one that increases attack when you're on 1 hp or the unbroken strength or sth like that.
Either way atm I got 975 joules for a single crystal using average destruction values. Problem is, i wanna know what the values are for crystals such as amethyst.
Either way atm I got 975 joules for a single crystal using average destruction values. Problem is, i wanna know what the values are for crystals such as amethyst.
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You should just ask a staff about this, since you already made a CRT on it lol.
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Literally most of the grass in the game is as tall as the PC, they're clearly bug-sized. This discussion was had before and we reached a conclusion. I definitely also wouldn't use "bugs can swim" as an argument since some bugs are buoyant. Also the issue with bugs swimming isn't related to just size, they just can't move enough water since their legs are thin.
Also, approved the calc
Also, approved the calc
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Nice, thanks.
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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And you said they could shatter 3 at a time, right? That could potentially be on the lower end of wall level, I think.
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more. There's one small one and one big one right beside each other
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damn bro that is a small computer
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Meh, unstable =/= has been smashed like forty times, in the end cracked walls are a pretty common thing in videogames. Maybe cutting the result in half to account for instability would work tho
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i may need to actually make the crystal calc a bit later then. do you have any destruction values for crystals? I was thinking either amethyst or quartz
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Hmm, I wonder why I don't think about this feat earlier, maybe because I'm too blinded by something.
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I don't see how that proves that they are the size of insects. Like, okay, they are plants, but whatever? We don't know how big they are. There is an area near my house where the grass is bigger than my body. Besides the fact that there are many grass smaller than the characters
There are also trees during the game, or at least part of them
From here
Insects capable of swimming have a different physiology
Hell, the game even applies weight to the physics of falling. This would be impossible if the character weighed grams
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