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Ren Amamiya vs Archie Sonic

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-" High Resistance to Reality Warping, Subjective Reality, BFR, Existence Erasure, Power Nullification, Pocket Reality, Matter, Conceptual and Spatial Manipulation"

-SOA isn't allowed, it's optional equipment

-Joker straight up resists and absorbs physical attacks, so stat amping doesn't work.

And no, molecular manipulation is not different from matter manipulation. Matter is made of molecules. Read the Matter Manipulation page
 
Isn't that a bit of no limits fallacy to assume Fatehax can just straight up nullify Sinful Shell- "Because its fatehax"?
 
Edwardtruong2006 said:
Sonic shouldn't win, Joker just nukes him with Sinful Shell.
This is base Sonic, so he doesn't have that much hax and Joker resists what he does have. If you say immortality type 8, Yaldabaoth also had that and look where that got him. If you say fatehax, that doesn't help when Joker has high enough AP and Persona Affinities to just shrug off Sonic's attacks. Unless Fatehax straight up makes Philemon come and smite Joker for god knows what, Joker wins.
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Not that much has? Boi!
 
Yvel Atsly said:
Isn't that a bit of no limits fallacy to assume Fatehax can just straight up nullify Sinful Shell- "Because its fatehax"?
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It's not,Fatehax in canon prevent Sonic from dying and Joker can't resist it so Sinful Shell can't due Jack here.Joker would have to incap to win.
 
ElixirBlue said:
I'd imagine the FateHax would work like it did against Megaman. Since both Sonic and Ren are heroic at heart, they would cease fighting and become friends.
Note when Megaman decided to stop fighting Sonic and try to have an honest conversation. It was after Megaman had the home field advantage and support. After Megaman's side became stronger than Sonic that Megaman choose to talk it out with Sonic.
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He stopped because he didn't want innocent people hurt. They were fighting in a city and Mega Man is a pacifist.
 
It's not,Fatehax in canon prevent Sonic from dying and Joker can't resist it so Sinful Shell can't due Jack here.Joker would have to incap to win.

Okay that is blatant no limits fallacy. You can argue that Sonic's fatehax will prevent Joker from even using it. But fatehax magically changing up what's essentially conceptual manipulation is going too far, since it has never displayed this in the story.
 
Can I get a description of Sinful Shell? Power, abilities, limits, what made it appear at the finale of the game?
 
Sinful Shell negates type 8 immortalities and kills abstracts. It appeared in the end of the game because Joker just got Satanael.
 
Ok hold on.

Why are we just assuming Fate hax let's Sonic live through all bullshit that should obviously kill him

Are we just forgetting everytime he got his ass kicked

How does he even kill Joker, SoA is optional equipment, so he doesn't have it. Matter manipulation gets resisted, same with everything else. Sonic would go for physical attacks, since that's always been his starting move. And that's a shame because physical blows get nulled.

Meanwhile, Joker can just shoot him with Sinful Shell, which isn't failing because "lolfatehax", it's like 10x bigger than Sonic and one shots him through AP and bypasses his immortality.
 
VioletVoid100 said:
He stopped because he didn't want innocent people hurt. They were fighting in a city and Mega Man is a pacifist.
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Note, Megaman was going to kill Sonic, Pasifist or no. Megaman reason Sonic is a bad robot and the best way to "fix" Sonic was to "destroy" him. The Fates can't have that.
 
ElixirBlue said:
Can I get a description of Sinful Shell? Power, abilities, limits, what made it appear at the finale of the game?
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A giant bullet the size of a house made up of the 7 capital sins. It negates abstract existence, immortalities and has conceptual manipulation.
 
>In canon Sonic's Fatehax prevents him from dying so Sinful Shell will not be able to kill him due to Fatehax.Fate will interve causing the bullet to miss or not be able to kill him.

>You can beat Sonic by incap which Fatehax doesn't protect him against.
 
Joker then uses Dormina then, Sonic doesn't resist sleephax if you wanna go that route.
 
Alright. Ren shoots Sonic in the knees and and ties him up with his chains.

There, Sonic has been incapped.
 
Joker became motivated by the entirety of Japan chearing on him, so he broke his "chains" (metaphorically), which let's him use Satanael. Satanael has Sinful Shell inside a giant pistol.

Is outside help allowed? I don't see an evidence of Joker being able to use it by himself, like new Game + implies. Like the Spirit Bomb.
 
ElixirBlue said:
VioletVoid100 said:
He stopped because he didn't want innocent people hurt. They were fighting in a city and Mega Man is a pacifist.
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Note, Megaman was going to kill Sonic, Pasifist or no. Megaman reason Sonic is a bad robot and the best way to "fix" Sonic was to "destroy" him. The Fates can't have that.
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But it wasn't fate that caused it. Mega Man, in character, doesn't like fighting around areas where people and his loved ones was going to get hurt. Hence why all of his fights were "take ot outside" scenarios. Now Sonic's fate hax could've been used later if they've kept fighting, but it didn't happen there. Sonic's fate hax doesn't work in every scenario he's in.
 
It's not really outside help at this point, since he can just summon Satanel whenever he wants after that point.
 
Note, Megaman was going to kill Sonic, Pasifist or no. Megaman reason Sonic is a bad robot and the best way to "fix" Sonic was to "destroy" him. The Fates can't have that.

But it wasn't fate that caused it. Mega Man, in character, doesn't like fighting around areas where people and his loved ones was going to get hurt. Hence why all of his fights were "take ot outside" scenarios. Now Sonic's fate hax could've been used later if they've kept fighting, but it didn't happen there. Sonic's fate hax doesn't work in every scenario he's in.

I'm just saying. Dr. Light just happened to created a warp ring in the middle of the city so very quickly. And no, it wasn't near the bank, as no destruction was shown from Megaman's fight with the Robotized Masters. Dr. Light was only trying to see if he could and he so happen to spawn it in a populated area.
 
CrimsonStarFallen said:
Alright. Ren shoots Sonic in the knees and and ties him up with his chains.

There, Sonic has been incapped.
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>Sonic's very capable of dodging projectiles

>Does Joker resist subatomic manip specifically?

>Sonic can amp his hax and abilities with power rings.
 
Power Rings.

I literally just proved they can't BFR in the Goku vs Sonic thread when it was brought up.
 
>Sonic's very capable of dodging projectiles

>Does Joker resist subatomic manip specifically?

>Sonic can amp his hax and abilities with power rings.

Subatomic manip is subset of Matter Manip, so he resists
 
Power Rings.

I literally just proved they can't BFR in the Goku vs Sonic thread when it was brought up.

Wasn't there and didn't see and BFR isn't one of my reasons because Joker resists it.
 
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