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>The case of range doesn't matter. His magic does have that range and Joker's not stupid enough to not use that advantage when he can. It's on the profiles, so as far as this match is concerned, that's his range.
Cool, I disagree. Range matters and you haven't provided a single example of such range, you didnt even bother to clarify what the range even entails, like I asked you to clarify above. It's on the profiles? Ok but don't forget about the multitude of things that arent on the profiles either that you've been trying to use, double standards? I think so.
>Point me to the lifeforms that can actually pick out Joker specifically in NYC/Central Park. And as for GE's senses, life energy is everywhere, and afaik Giorno has no means of identifying what life belongs to what beyond guesswork.
Probably a bear, given they can pick up on things from a dozen to two dozen km away. Various insects like dragonflies, roaches or bees given they have unique forms of sensing that Joker hasnt interacted with before, animals that can pick up different chemical fields that humans and such cant. Snakes, there's a lot of things honestly, literally so many that it'd be quite literally impossible to list off a few hundred thousand types of insects or animals but there's two examples. Also life energy exists in clusters, some have more than others, I'm assuming Joker with his own spiritual affinity and metric fuckton of personas would have a higher cluster of life energy than an average dude or a mosquito.
>Joker's Third Eye, on the other hand, works to highlight specifically what he wants to find, and is a 360-degree view since it highlights everything around Joker, through walls and other obstacles, not just what's in his line of sight.
Except it's, literally bound to his line of sight, the whole 360 thing is literally gameplay mechanics, as it's a 3D game. I mean if Joker turns around yeah he'd be able to see those things but it's not like he just has a sonar and eyes in the back of his head.
>Joker also clearly uses his Third Eye very, very often. He'll use it even when there's no logical reason to, as shown when he can use it for random day-to-day actions. After all, it's not like it takes any effort to turn it on. Joker can see Giorno with his Third Eye so long as he's anywhere within his range, and it just so happens that 4km is well within his range.
Yeah, he does use it often, but it's not like he always has it on. Nobody said it took effort to turn on. Yeah, definitely not how that works, Third eye doesnt have 4km range, in fact I'm watching gameplay right now of it, I doubt it even has more then 10-20 meters of range going by the game itself. Also about the enemy thing, literally just watched an enemy walk past Joker, behind a wall and Joker, despite having third eye active, could no longer make out the enemy so clearly not how it works. And ignoring that Third Eye isnt even categorized as a Persona Skill and isnt featured in any other game so you cant even use the excuse of cross scaling, it's limited to the range it's shown to have.
>The moment Giorno stops moving, he gets nailed with an attack he doesn't see coming. Curse spells erupt from the ground by default.
That's implying Joker knows Giorno's exact location, Giorno can easily stop moving if Joker doesnt know where exactly where he is, unless you mean to tell me Joker can target someone from that far away without knowing where they are, cant see them, even with Third Eye. In which case, you have an example of that? Otherwise moot point.
>The attacks not instantly doing damage is also game mechanics. It's a standardized attack animation, not a unique one like for unique skills like Morning Star. Ziodyne in previous games is a regular lightning bolt. Ziodyne in the Arena games vary depending on the user. Yu and Adachi fire it like a beam, Akihiko makes a dome, Kanji channels it through his Persona's weapon. If there was actually as much start-up as the animation shows, literally nobody would get hit by those spells.
I'm just going by what we see and know Joker can do, I wouldnt call it gameplay mechanics, none of the attacks are instant from Point A to Point B, they have an animation because the attacks warrant an animation, if the animation of a spell is a floor of light starting to light before enclosing, then that's what the spell does and how long it takes. You cant really argue that said spell in question, among others, is actually several dozen times faster than it is shown to be. The enemies probably could dodge tbh, they dont though because theyre all static and it's an RPg, that's the game mechanics, not the animations leading up to the attack actually landing. If you have issue with that we can look at the anime and see how the P5 anime potrays certain spells that are featured within it. And once again, you're just listing off examples of utility not anything that actually effects the situation at hand.
>Don't forget that Giorno would need to find Joker specifically in a city full of millions of people, and he can be anywhere within 4 kilometres of him from the beginning. Not to mention, when has Giorno ever done something of that scale? Point me to a time when Giorno creates a thousand individual lifeforms at once to locate a target.
Yeah, as said, using certain oganisms, that task isnt as difficult as you'd think. He hasn't done that but he's done the things needed to perform that feat (being creating a bunch of things at once and having a large range on his animals, with the range feat being him sending that animal to track someone in the first place), although he implied he could do around 100 at a given time and we've seen him do handfuls at a time with one technique before (a few times actually, I'm counting an easy 14-18 in this one scene), and 100 is definitely more than enough. Although that limitation doesnt exist, the only real limitation Giorno has with this ability is that he must use his hands to create the organisms, certain organisms need a certain amount of heat to kick start the process. So the actual question is, would Giorno be able to find [Insert amount of inanimate objects here] in order to create that many organisms. And the answer is, idk probably, given shit like pebbles count. But hey, at least we have an approximation for how many Giorno can do at once, that being around 100, if not more. And the range of his organisms before reverting is anywhere between a dozen if not more kilometers if not higher (The highest we've seen is rechecking the scene, nearly if not more than one hundred km given he was a bit off Venezia and 4-5+ hours away from Melone by car while Melone was at the Stazione Rome Terminal).
So yes, Giorno has the feats and showings that allows him to send out a vast amount of organisms to track down targets from a extremely large distance. Anyway, once again, P5 anime, it exists, I'm probably gonna slap that bad boy on soon, so asking now, am I gonna be let down by what Joker does or will his actions coincide with your claims?
Cool, I disagree. Range matters and you haven't provided a single example of such range, you didnt even bother to clarify what the range even entails, like I asked you to clarify above. It's on the profiles? Ok but don't forget about the multitude of things that arent on the profiles either that you've been trying to use, double standards? I think so.
>Point me to the lifeforms that can actually pick out Joker specifically in NYC/Central Park. And as for GE's senses, life energy is everywhere, and afaik Giorno has no means of identifying what life belongs to what beyond guesswork.
Probably a bear, given they can pick up on things from a dozen to two dozen km away. Various insects like dragonflies, roaches or bees given they have unique forms of sensing that Joker hasnt interacted with before, animals that can pick up different chemical fields that humans and such cant. Snakes, there's a lot of things honestly, literally so many that it'd be quite literally impossible to list off a few hundred thousand types of insects or animals but there's two examples. Also life energy exists in clusters, some have more than others, I'm assuming Joker with his own spiritual affinity and metric fuckton of personas would have a higher cluster of life energy than an average dude or a mosquito.
>Joker's Third Eye, on the other hand, works to highlight specifically what he wants to find, and is a 360-degree view since it highlights everything around Joker, through walls and other obstacles, not just what's in his line of sight.
Except it's, literally bound to his line of sight, the whole 360 thing is literally gameplay mechanics, as it's a 3D game. I mean if Joker turns around yeah he'd be able to see those things but it's not like he just has a sonar and eyes in the back of his head.
>Joker also clearly uses his Third Eye very, very often. He'll use it even when there's no logical reason to, as shown when he can use it for random day-to-day actions. After all, it's not like it takes any effort to turn it on. Joker can see Giorno with his Third Eye so long as he's anywhere within his range, and it just so happens that 4km is well within his range.
Yeah, he does use it often, but it's not like he always has it on. Nobody said it took effort to turn on. Yeah, definitely not how that works, Third eye doesnt have 4km range, in fact I'm watching gameplay right now of it, I doubt it even has more then 10-20 meters of range going by the game itself. Also about the enemy thing, literally just watched an enemy walk past Joker, behind a wall and Joker, despite having third eye active, could no longer make out the enemy so clearly not how it works. And ignoring that Third Eye isnt even categorized as a Persona Skill and isnt featured in any other game so you cant even use the excuse of cross scaling, it's limited to the range it's shown to have.
>The moment Giorno stops moving, he gets nailed with an attack he doesn't see coming. Curse spells erupt from the ground by default.
That's implying Joker knows Giorno's exact location, Giorno can easily stop moving if Joker doesnt know where exactly where he is, unless you mean to tell me Joker can target someone from that far away without knowing where they are, cant see them, even with Third Eye. In which case, you have an example of that? Otherwise moot point.
>The attacks not instantly doing damage is also game mechanics. It's a standardized attack animation, not a unique one like for unique skills like Morning Star. Ziodyne in previous games is a regular lightning bolt. Ziodyne in the Arena games vary depending on the user. Yu and Adachi fire it like a beam, Akihiko makes a dome, Kanji channels it through his Persona's weapon. If there was actually as much start-up as the animation shows, literally nobody would get hit by those spells.
I'm just going by what we see and know Joker can do, I wouldnt call it gameplay mechanics, none of the attacks are instant from Point A to Point B, they have an animation because the attacks warrant an animation, if the animation of a spell is a floor of light starting to light before enclosing, then that's what the spell does and how long it takes. You cant really argue that said spell in question, among others, is actually several dozen times faster than it is shown to be. The enemies probably could dodge tbh, they dont though because theyre all static and it's an RPg, that's the game mechanics, not the animations leading up to the attack actually landing. If you have issue with that we can look at the anime and see how the P5 anime potrays certain spells that are featured within it. And once again, you're just listing off examples of utility not anything that actually effects the situation at hand.
>Don't forget that Giorno would need to find Joker specifically in a city full of millions of people, and he can be anywhere within 4 kilometres of him from the beginning. Not to mention, when has Giorno ever done something of that scale? Point me to a time when Giorno creates a thousand individual lifeforms at once to locate a target.
Yeah, as said, using certain oganisms, that task isnt as difficult as you'd think. He hasn't done that but he's done the things needed to perform that feat (being creating a bunch of things at once and having a large range on his animals, with the range feat being him sending that animal to track someone in the first place), although he implied he could do around 100 at a given time and we've seen him do handfuls at a time with one technique before (a few times actually, I'm counting an easy 14-18 in this one scene), and 100 is definitely more than enough. Although that limitation doesnt exist, the only real limitation Giorno has with this ability is that he must use his hands to create the organisms, certain organisms need a certain amount of heat to kick start the process. So the actual question is, would Giorno be able to find [Insert amount of inanimate objects here] in order to create that many organisms. And the answer is, idk probably, given shit like pebbles count. But hey, at least we have an approximation for how many Giorno can do at once, that being around 100, if not more. And the range of his organisms before reverting is anywhere between a dozen if not more kilometers if not higher (The highest we've seen is rechecking the scene, nearly if not more than one hundred km given he was a bit off Venezia and 4-5+ hours away from Melone by car while Melone was at the Stazione Rome Terminal).
So yes, Giorno has the feats and showings that allows him to send out a vast amount of organisms to track down targets from a extremely large distance. Anyway, once again, P5 anime, it exists, I'm probably gonna slap that bad boy on soon, so asking now, am I gonna be let down by what Joker does or will his actions coincide with your claims?
