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The OP has already been debunked.
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Just for clarification, was there a statement of every duality system except for just specific systems?
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No. It simply stated "All Objects" and "Everything" was One essence in The Cosmic Egg / The Heart.
As well statements of Arceus being "All-encompassing"
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Fair enough.
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Hmm..., I'm Neutral to this CRT, but Characters that exist before Nothingness are also not necessarily the same as pure Non-Existence, it could be a Soul etc that has the ability to start everything (such as Concept etc).
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Arceus lacks the dichotomy of 1 and 0 for he precedes the distinction of it. Only in the advent of the world did existence and nonexistence emerge.
That is the current justification. It isn't simply that he existed before nothingness, but that the dichotomy wasn't present.
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Transcending & Predating Non-Existence and Existence would mean you are neither of those things and you are also qualitatively superior to those things. That is the exact description of NEP Type 2.
Neutral on the Duality thing.
Neutral on the Duality thing.
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To be fair, i don't think Arceus is qualify for TD2, but TD1 and NEP2 is kinda obvious
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Why would he be classified as Type 1 but not Type 2?
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TD2 seems wonky.
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Would you elaborate?
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Specific transduality, you beyond a specific system of duality, NEP2 already include TD1, since you beyond the system of existence and non-existence, and this system is already a dual system by itself, enough to qualify for TD1
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We granted Arceus Transduality for the fact that he precedes all dichotomies, including existence and nonexistence.
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Scan for this???. And to be fair with you, i don't see it on his profile either
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It is in his profile for Transduality Type 2
In his original state he is one essence which contains all objects, and encompasses everything.
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And you guys interpreting it as beyond all dual system of the verse??
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Oof literally all Arceus needs is one statement about dualities, so close yet so far.
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The word duality isn't actually necessary. We use duality and dualism to refer to distinctive attributes or aspects.
The fact that he encompasses and precedes all things is adequate.
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But where the evidences???. Just because he precedes two or three dual system doesn't mean somehow he precedes "all dual system".
Anyway, you guys better make either a blog or provide enough scans to back up the ability, because with the current state of the profile, the scans and description is not sufficient enough, this is my opinion
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It states that he precedes all things, and existed in a primordial state where all is one, as an all encompassing entity.
He is by definition nondual. It is adequate.
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Agree with the OP
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Isn't it that all characters who surpass Existence & Non-Existence will also get NEP2 if that's the only way?. Indeed, regarding existing before non-existence is also too vague for the following.
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Yes. Characters who possess NEP Nature Type 2 typically precede, transcend, or lack the dichotomy of being and non-being.
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Gonna be honest, transduality is a very weird topic for me as I honestly don’t understand a lick about how it works.
But since there was a recent thread that got the haxes agreed and added for Arceus in the first place, maybe just link that thread here to make it easier to see what evidence and stuff was given that got it accepted for him?
But since there was a recent thread that got the haxes agreed and added for Arceus in the first place, maybe just link that thread here to make it easier to see what evidence and stuff was given that got it accepted for him?
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It's in the OP
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Actually if you exist in a state that there is not distinction between self and other, that's Transduality 2
Don't believe me? Check Cognitive Physiology, Lez, Scarlet king, at least look at many of Transdual characters that possesses all distinction in their verse in a state of Oneness
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I was actually discussing this on discord and that is how I described him.
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Right? They want to see Duality. The character is already born beyond the idea of division. It's exactly why its under type 3 Transduality
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Oh, this is good and all, please explain and give me evidences that why Arceus is lack dual distinction at all level
SMT is SMT, Pokemon is Pokemon, either you explain yourself with scan, explaination, proof, evidences or withdraw the claim
Oh please, saying people do not understand non-duality is not an argurment. Like above, it is your job to make people understand and convince them, with proofs, explaination or even a blog like i said. Either that, or withdraw your claim, do not force people to agree with you with this kind of comment
These philosophy is good all and all, but again please explain on why, Arceus fit in these description to have the ability, or your interpretation of the character mean nothing
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We already explained why Arceus adheres to the descriptions, you have simply chosen to not acknowledge them.
And honestly you don't appear to understand what the qualifications are.
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I says in arceus CRT, yes it is transcending, but to get NEP you must have state of nonexistance. I says i fine with TD 1 (transcend existance and nonexistance) but not with NEP 2
I says about transcending all duality system. Because it the basic for get TD 2
No no bro, pradate or transcend is doesn't mean he is nonexistance. NEP 2 is transdual nonexistance, that what DT says. So you must have nonexistance state for get NEP 2
Yeah and where the all duality system??
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He'll be immune to everything shown in the verse because he existed in a state where there was no difference between subject and object
Which is Type 3 for 1A
What kind of argument is this. SMT is SMT then what? You're not even refuting you're just saying SMT is SMT knowing very well that's the same case for Arceus
I did. Op argument is that being in a state of Undifferentiated Unity is not Transduality when in actuality it is at the highest levels, Type 3 to be exact.
But Arceus isn't type 3 so ehh.
Yes. And quite frankly, you agreeing with Nep 2 will go for everything else.
All things were one, and Non distinct as the Heart. So he came and divided away. It's as simple as that.
No distinction between self and object = TD 2.
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Firstly stop using DT's word. You are granting him no greater context and he is not a participant of the thread. If your only point is that DT agrees with you, I can say that Ultima agrees with me just as easily. It is fruitless. (He doesn't even possess a very high knowledge on Nonexistent Physiology either because he believes Nonexistent entities can still be tangible.)
I have already addressed the statements regarding Nonexistent Physiology. He is beyond the distinction of being and non-being. That is adequate for the ability.
There doesn't need to be mention of the word "duality" to be Nondual. What forms duality are aspects, and objects. For example, Light and Dark. These are objects. Arceus' primordial essence is a state where all objects are united in one essence. There is no duality nor distinction in this state, for there are no objects separate from him. He is thus nondual.
You are arguing against the definitions and the prerequisites. You evidently do not comprehend how the powers function.
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Leaning for disagreement
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This isn't going anywhere. Most people disagree with the thread, OP is using agreement of mods (who are not in this thread) without actually giving context to them, and have barely comprehensible english. Couple this with the fact that this is clearly driven by spite given the whole Anos thing and I'll just be closing this.
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