“Remember when I was Multiversal?”

[Bernkastelll]

Anyways, im busy currently, i will come back later

 

[Greenshifter]

Humans (3-D) cannot affect a 2-D structure

We can by destroying the overarching 3D structure.

Anyways, pretty sure AX's regen and body control just covers for transmutation (and if Bill doesn't even kill regular humans with say stuff like petrification then Alien X can just rewind time by sending out an energy wave). AX has wincons such as BFR, mindhax (which should work) and probably EE if nothing else works. Stomp like the last time. Heck Bill Cipher vs Alien X is where the pocket dimension being useful came from in the first place.

Also quite funny when everyone FRA'd Bill when no-one even gave reasons they were certain would give Bill the win, basically people FRA'd before someone even voted.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Would Bill’s Multiversal+ range help with the pocket dimensional

 

[Greenshifter]

Would Bill’s Multiversal+ range help with the pocket dimensional

Only if he has cosmic awareness on that scope and Bellicus and Serena don't instantly EE him when he enters the PD.

 

[Bernkastelll]

Only if he has cosmic awareness on that scope and Bellicus and Serena don't instantly EE him when he enters the PD.

He can regen from the EE

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

We can by destroying the overarching 3D structure.

Anyways, pretty sure AX's regen and body control just covers for transmutation (and if Bill doesn't even kill regular humans with say stuff like petrification then Alien X can just rewind time by sending out an energy wave). AX has wincons such as BFR, mindhax (which should work) and probably EE if nothing else works. Stomp like the last time. Heck Bill Cipher vs Alien X is where the pocket dimension being useful came from in the first place.

Also quite funny when everyone FRA'd Bill when no-one even gave reasons they were certain would give Bill the win, basically people FRA'd before someone even voted.

How does regen cover for transmutation exactly? If Alien X is transmutated into a completely different object then how would he regenerate from that? Also if he gets transmutated I assume he would lose the ability to control his body because it's now not the same as before. Also what kind of body control even, can't he just make himself bigger and stuff, how would that save him from transmutation? If X gets transmutated then he wouldn't be able to use his powers anymore.

 

[Greenshifter]

He can regen from the EE

Maybe, I can argue it targets souls. Not so sure about minds.

How does regen cover for transmutation exactly? If Alien X is transmutated into a completely different object then how would he regenerate from that? Also if he gets transmutated I assume he would lose the ability to control his body because it's now not the same as before. Also what kind of body control even, can't he just make himself bigger and stuff, how would that save him from transmutation? If X gets transmutated then he wouldn't be able to use his powers anymore.

He has body control on the molecular level, can transform to and from a pseudo-black hole and Bill's transmutation might not even kill.

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Maybe, I can argue it targets souls. Not so sure about minds.

He has body control on the molecular level, can transform to and from a pseudo-black hole and Bill's transmutation might not even kill.

I don't think that saves him from transmutation, transmutation literally changes an object into something completely different so it needs to effect even beyond the atomic bonds, so X shouldn't be able to neither regen or control his body from that, nah he'd outright die.

 

[Greenshifter]

nah he'd outright die.

Does Bill's transmutation or petrification actually kill though? I'll disregard how becoming a black hole would be more impressive than getting transmutated into a chair for now.

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Does Bill's transmutation or petrification actually kill though? I'll disregard how becoming a black hole would be more impressive than getting transmutated into a chair for now.

I know jack about the pyramid dude, but I assume so, since becoming a chair kind of robs you of all of your body and vital organs, and effects you on the atomic level. Let's ask a supporter maybe.

 

[Greenshifter]

Yeah I just asked and researched this before and iirc not everything he did actually killed people.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

• Threatened to disassemble Dipper and Mabel’s molecules (1:09)
• Turned Ford into gold (twice)
• Petrifies a dude
• Can disassemble matter
• Turns folks into tapestry
• Transmutes random objects

 

[Greenshifter]

Turned Ford into gold (twice)

This is kinda my point. How did he come back from that the first time around?

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

This is kinda my point. How did he come back from that the first time around?

Bill reverted him back to normal to talk to him

 

[Greenshifter]

Was he conscious of the events that transpired during him being a golden statue? Honestly this entire thing of Alien X dying if his body gets destoyed is quite stupid and probably based on Galactic Gladiator shaking his pocket dimension (mixed with some people thinking the pocket dimension is literally inside his body), which should just be a feat for him.

 

[Gohanblanco217]

Was he conscious of the events that transpired during him being a golden statue? Honestly this entire thing of Alien X dying if his body gets destoyed is quite stupid and probably based on Galactic Gladiator shaking his pocket dimension (mixed with some people thinking the pocket dimension is literally inside his body), which should just be a feat for him.

Tbh Alien x having a pocket dimension outside of his body is headcanon

 

[Greenshifter]

Tbh Alien x having a pocket dimension outside of his body is headcanon

For the last time, the stars aren’t in his pocket dimension.

Seriously though, we see Ben (cause what else) go through a portal in Vilgax Attacks when he transforms into Alien X and the PD is literally stated to be outside of space and time by WoG, which it can’t be if it’s in his body in the universe. So you’d have to disagree with acausality type 2 if you agree with his PD being inside his body. Lastly his PD should be relative to other pocket dimensions such as the Null Void which is also outside the dimension.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Was he conscious of the events that transpired during him being a golden statue? Honestly this entire thing of Alien X dying if his body gets destoyed is quite stupid and probably based on Galactic Gladiator shaking his pocket dimension (mixed with some people thinking the pocket dimension is literally inside his body), which should just be a feat for him.

No. Ford was not conscious. We can see that since Ford was in a middle of a word when he got turned into a statue, and when he reverted back, he gasped and did not recognize where he was, meaning he was exhaling the air from the previous word before he froze

 

[Gohanblanco217]

For the last time, the stars aren’t in his pocket dimension.

Your opinion

Seriously though, we see Ben (cause what else) go through a portal in Vilgax attacks

Doesn't necessarily mean it happened outside of x body

and the PD is literally stated to be outside of space and time by WoG

Not really it was referring to Alien x himself being beyond space and time which made him Acausal as time doesn't apply to him which should give him resistance to time hax and 4D Existence by the way

So you’d have to disagree with acausality type 2 if you agree with his PD being inside his body.

Why would this Disprove alien x having Acausality type 2?

 

[The_Pink_God]

Wouldn't Alien X Invulnerability help against Bill Transmutation?

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Wouldn't Alien X Invulnerability help against Bill Transmutation?

I don't see how?

 

[Bernkastelll]

Was he conscious of the events that transpired during him being a golden statue?

No

 

[Greenshifter]

Your opinion

The stars literally disappear when the universe got erased. So if the stars were literally inside the pocket dimension then Ben would have gotten erased.

Doesn't necessarily mean it happened outside of x body

it does or else why would he need a dang portal?

Not really it was referring to Alien x himself being beyond space and time which made him Acausal as time doesn't apply to him which should give him resistance to time hax and 4D Existence by the way

So his physical body everyone interacts with is actually outside the universe?

Why would this Disprove alien x having Acausality type 2?

Because the above point is moot so the only conclusion left from that statement is that his pocket dimension is outside of space and time, which comes from the same WoG that his acausality comes from.

 

[Greenshifter]

You know what, Bill snaps. It’s about time he got a win. Take note that I’d argue AX stomps Bill any day of the week if I wasn’t bound by his page kek.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Being able to transmute back and forth between black hole negs any chance of Bill's chance of transmutation working on AX. Anyone who knows simple science knows Black Holes are far more impressive in structure than some measly chair or gold.

Dunno about other haxxes..

 

[Greenshifter]

Tbf it’s only accepted as a pseudo-black hole. The argument being that it’s not called a black hole and the energy that looks like Hawking radiation (and some energy lasso) being able to be controlled by him rather than being natural… despite that meaning that he can control himself as literal energy I suppose.

 

[Gohanblanco217]

The stars literally disappear when the universe got erased. So if the stars were literally inside the pocket dimension then Ben would have gotten erased.

They didn't disappear :

This is One and two when x recreates the Universe we can clearly see compressed galaxies coming out of his body which is an other supporting oh and GG shaking his Pocket dimension to.

it does or else why would he need a dang portal

And why not? Ben got transported inside of x body and then got transported to the Personalities via a portal.

his physical body everyone interacts with is actually outside the universe?

What they meant is that due to the nature of Celestialsapiens existing beyond space and time then it made them acausal for example Duncan said that Alien x can survive timeline destruction because he is above space and time (I think you remember that statement) what Duncan meant is that due to the nature of Alien x being beyond time itself it made him acausal so he won't be affected by timelines destruction...... Sorry if my explanation was bad English isn't my thing lol but I'm pretty sure you are getting the point

 

[Greenshifter]

They didn't disappear

The fact that they are not inside the pocket dimension but only visible on the outside is exactly my point.

GG shaking his Pocket dimension to.

Feat for GG. That also only happens every now and then, not continuously.

compressed galaxies coming out of his body

Yes but nothing indicates it’s from the pocket dimension or else those galaxies would be visible from where Ben is floating.

And why not? Ben got transported inside of x body and then got transported to the Personalities via a portal.

Prove the pocket dimension is big enough for that to even be necessary. Heck if it’s inside his body, why would he even need a portal to get to their location.

What they meant is that due to the nature of Celestialsapiens existing beyond space and time then it made them acausal

The only thing that could exist beyond space and time is his pocket dimension since his body is literally inside space and time and everyone interacts with it. You can’t be physically beyond and inside of something at the same time.

 

[Gohanblanco217]

The fact that they are not inside the pocket dimension but only visible on the outside is exactly my point.

What? Dude you can clearly see that everything in the Universe disappeared and the only stars that were left were literally inside of Alien x body the visual feats are pretty clear.

Yes but nothing indicates it’s from the pocket dimension

They were literally coming from x body...... '

or else those galaxies would be visible from where Ben is floating.

Or maybe because those galaxies were far away from Ben to the point point were they appeared as small points? I mean when you are floating in space you also don't see Galaxies being visible

Feat for GG

Or maybe a supporting evidence for x pocket dimension existing inside of his body?

Prove the pocket dimension is big enough for that to even be necessary. Heck if it’s inside his body, why would he even need a portal to get to their location.

Why even arguing about a non canon game to begin with?

The only thing that could exist beyond space and time is his pocket dimension since his body is literally inside space and time and everyone interacts with it. You can’t be physically beyond and inside of something at the same time.

You are still not getting the point.....

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

I just thought of this, why does alien X's mind considered outside the universe and you need low multiversal range to reach it, but whe the annihilasjahfoaijfpa was about to destroy the universe ben saw the destruction of the universe IN the universe while he's IN his pocket dimension?

 

[Greenshifter]

What? Dude you can clearly see that everything in the Universe disappeared and the only stars that were left were literally inside of Alien x body the visual feats are pretty clear.

I will re-iterate myself once again until you get my point. The stars that you see on in his body are not inside the pocket dimension. Meaning that they have zero correlation to his pocket dimension, meaning we don’t know the size of it and we also can’t conclude that it is inside of his body.

They were literally coming from x body...... '

Yeah so they can be on or in his body, still doesn’t correlate to the pocket dimension.

Or maybe because those galaxies were far away from Ben to the point point were they appeared as small points? I mean when you are floating in space you also don't see Galaxies being visible

There were no galaxies at all where Ben was talking to Bellicus and Serena when the universe was being destroyed, not even as small points. And we know what galaxies or stars as small points look like in the pocket dimension cause we actually see them via the protection of them in the pocket dimension via cosmic awareness. Also when you are floating in space you can actually see galaxies and stars.

Why even arguing about a non canon game to begin with?

Vilgax Attacks is canon mah dude, it’s referenced by Paradox in UA, heck Way Big’s tier comes from it’s sequel.

You are still not getting the point.....

I think I am, you’re acting as if he functions like Paradox or that it’s just a nice way of saying that he’s unaffected by space and time manipulation. I disagree with that notion, I just literally use what’s been stated, and this would still not be enough for acausality type 2 in the way that AX has it.

I just thought of this, why does alien X's mind considered outside the universe and you need low multiversal range to reach it, but whe the annihilasjahfoaijfpa was about to destroy the universe ben saw the destruction of the universe IN the universe while he's IN his pocket dimension?

*multiversal range. Alien X has cosmic awareness, they see the destruction of Pluto in AF despite not physically being there. If the Annihilaargh would have literally targeted the pocket dimension then Ben would have been dead (unless you argue he resists or something while inside) and it also has to do with how Bellicus and Serena can still debate when they are just a stream of DNA in the codon stream. Also how can Ben duplicate himself as Alien X yet still only have 1 pocket dimension if it’s inside his body? I mean sure we don’t explicitly see he only has 1 PD but how would that work then when they re-fuse into a pseudo black hole?

Or maybe a supporting evidence for x pocket dimension existing inside of his body?

Nah because that would contradict stuff, it’s always better to conclude stuff that doesn’t contradict what is previously established, than it is to force a contradiction to suit your interpretation, as long as what you say is reasonable.

Anyone else got any questions?

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

*multiversal range. Alien X has cosmic awareness, they see the destruction of Pluto in AF despite not physically being there. If the Annihilaargh would have literally targeted the pocket dimension then Ben would have been dead (unless you argue he resists or something while inside) and it also has to do with how Bellicus and Serena can still debate when they are just a stream of DNA in the codon stream. Also how can Ben duplicate himself as Alien X yet still only have 1 pocket dimension if it’s inside his body? I mean sure we don’t explicitly see he only has 1 PD but how would that work then when they re-fuse into a pseudo black hole?

It's not like they were seeing it happen through a screen, the pokect dimension itself was ripping apart all around them, the reason ben didn't die is because the destruction didn't reach him before he made a new universe.

 

[Gohanblanco217]

The stars that you see on in his body are not inside the pocket dimension

You mean the stars that are in his body?

Meaning that they have zero correlation to his pocket dimension, meaning we don’t know the size of it and we also can’t conclude that it is inside of his body.

They do unless shown otherwise and I mean the only evidence for the Pocket dimension being outside his body is due to a Creator statement that can be interpreted in different ways and a vague scene from a game (which is questionable if it's Canon)

Yeah so they can be on or in his body, still doesn’t correlate to the pocket dimension.

So again if I'm getting this correctly you are telling me that Alien x might have a small pocket dimension inside of his body and another one that exist outside of space-time which is were The Personalities are located?

There were no galaxies at all where Ben was talking to Bellicus and Serena when the universe was being destroyed, not even as small points.

I think I already explained why Ben was just far away from them

Also when you are floating in space you can actually see galaxies and stars.

Well Most of the time you don't unless you are very close to them

I think I am, you’re acting as if he functions like Paradox or that it’s just a nice way of saying that he’s unaffected by space and time manipulation.

Basically this is what I'm trying to say as I meantioned above Duncan said that Alien x can survive timeline destruction because he is beyond space and time he clearly meant that due to the nature of Alien x being beyond time itself than he isn't affected by space-time stuff such us changes in the past and future, time hax and also 4D Existence it's actually much better than assuming that Alien x somehow has pocket universe that exist outside of his body LMAO

Nah because that would contradict stuff

Actual feats contradicting your assumptions? Really?.....

 

[Gohanblanco217]

Anyway we should probably stop discussing the Pocket dimension thing here

 

[Sus]

Bill starts with transmutation iirc

And Alien X will probably start with TK or mind hax

Apparently Alien X's power comes from the minds in his pocket dimension, so even if Alien X were to be transmuted, would it even prevent him from attacking?

it won't, as u said, his power comes from his mind which is in an isolated dimension

 

[Sus]

Humans (3-D) cannot affect a 2-D structure

we literally do though

 

[Bernkastelll]

we literally do though

Only in few instances, such as drawing in the computer

 

[Sus]

Only in few instances, such as drawing in the computer

uh no