Rematch! Goku vs Dark Schneider

[Hyoudo_Odyssey]

Darsh would still win. He had alot of HAX at his disposal unlike Goku. He got:

Dispel Bound: Which is like multiple layer of shield that can ban almost ANY TYPES of attack.

Judas Priest: An attack that DESTROY the target on PHYSICAL, SPIRITUAL, and ASTRAL level that is some crazy thing right there. I don't see how Goku is going to withstand such an attack.

Eternal Atom: If you can't attack him on multiple plane of existence then you cannot hope to kill someone like him.

Majin Darsh and Uriel exchange millions of blow per second and still couldn't hit each other body, but when they start exchanging Infinite of blow per second then thats when they finally hit each other for real. Thats what it saids in the manga.

Bloodstone: If goku launch an attack a galactical attack at him, Darsh can makes his opponent suffer the same thing.

You still can't forget his Majin form and Dragon Knight Lucifer and his Adam of Darkness form.

Of course the manga is till on-going so Darsh may make it to Multiverse level. But who knows. Thats what I think about his rematch.

 

[Pocket-Chu]

Soooooooo Goku wins?

 

[IcarusXI]

pls let's continue After the universe 6 vs 7 tornament arc

 

[Sheoth]

This is still inconclusive at best.

 

[Frenchie-123]

inconclusive match

 

[CrossXshim]

only 7,000 time faster than light? that was in base, majin darsh alone was fighting on par with with like trillions of not just attacks, but attacks, counters, blocks, and dodges .

https://plus.google.com/116573583512335660543/posts/Tk1m7KABt1F

goku literally could never kill darsh due to eternal atoms.

https://plus.google.com/+WadeStrine1/posts/1tXKhrBxB3i

judas pain oneshots goku

darsh blitzes around and stomps. he doesn't just stomp goku he stomps his verse


darsh is universe with the dkl feat and it wasn't even intentional it was an aftereffect

. https://plus.google.com/+WadeStrine1/posts/eUuwcv2gExx[universe]

 

[Sheoth]

Darsh isn't universal though. It is a common misconception that the door to hell (the black abyss) is what they needed universal energy to breach. They needed all of that energy to break through gods Alcatraz dimension, not hell. He'll wasn't never mentioned to the humans on the ark, as it was something Satan pulled las second by dragging dark Schneider out of gods Alcatraz space into hell.

In short, the Alcatraz space needs universal energy to breach, while Darsh and Uriel broke through the black abyss, which is completely different.

 

[Sheoth]

Also, that speed calc is flawed. It assumes the Judas Pain increases the speed of Dark Schneider as well as his power, despite this never being stated. It is further shown by the fact that Uriel was still able to keep track of Darsh's and Uriel's fight just fine. It could still be possible, but eh.

Following up, the DKL does not supposedly increase his speed another 130 times. DKL was never stated to give a 130 times power up to Darsh, we only know that it increased his power significantly to an unknown degree. The 130 times power up was only attributed to Uriel after his fallen augoeides recieved a boost. And even then, it still doesn't mention speed at all (despite the infinite blows statement by Gara, which may or may not be hypoerbole) and only mentions Uriel's power increasing, which is the same exact problem with Darsh's speed supposedly increasing with the Judas Pain.

 

[The_Living_Tribunal1]

goku wins this, and at best for DS, the match is inconclusive, still gving it to goku with all the massive stat advantage

 

[Sheoth]

I still wouldn't say Goku wins it. He can't deal with the Eternal Atoms, Dispel bound gives a window for Darsh to use Judas Priest or Testament, and Bloodstone will make Goku kill himself with each strike.

This is, at best, inconclusive for both sides.

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

bloodstone? is that automatic or he must activate it?

 

[Sheoth]

bloodstone? is that automatic or he must activate it?

It needs to be activated, but he should have enough time to do it with Dispel Bound up.

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

what is testament anyway? is it the same as judas pain?

 

[Sheoth]

It's an Absolute Zero spell. It was just an example of one of the Hax spells Darsh has.

 

[Victor2]

just gonna throw this out.

in order to win a DB, killing your oppenet is not the only method. if other can`t no longer fight then the opposite character wins, regardless of how high the generation ability migh be.

D.S also can`t generate instandly, (he couldn`t when krono 1 shotted him and his barrier). he needs a huge amount of time to generate.

 

[Victor2]

goku wins. via speed blitzz and higher Raw power.

 

[Sheoth]

just gonna throw this out.
in order to win a DB, killing your oppenet is not the only method. if other can`t no longer fight then the opposite character wins, regardless of how high the generation ability migh be.

D.S also can`t generate instandly, (he couldn`t when krono 1 shotted him and his barrier). he needs a huge amount of time to generate.

Incorrect, he does have instant regen. He healed instantly after getting his head blown off. He only stayed as a head after Konron punched him to troll the shit out of Uriel more effectively.

In this case, Goku can't kill Dark Schneider due to Regen + Eternal Atoms, and Darsh likely can't kill Goku due to the latters speed advantage.

 

[Victor2]

Incorrect, he does have instant regen. He healed instantly after getting his head blown off. He only stayed as a head after Konron punched him to troll the shit out of Uriel more effectively.

In this case, Goku can't kill Dark Schneider due to Regen + Eternal Atoms, and Darsh likely can't kill Goku due to the latters speed advantage.

doesn`t change anything. killing isn`t the only method for victory.

 

[Sheoth]

doesn`t change anything. killing isn`t the only method for victory.

Except when the OP states that it is. Victory here is via Death or by KO, which Goku can't do due to Darsh's regen. Even if his physical body was somehow destroyed (which it can't be because Goku can't destroy atoms), Darsh can attack him from the Astral Plane.

It is inconclusive at best.

 

[Victor2]

goku has atomized his enemys. so no biggy.

 

[Sheoth]

Scan?

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

@sheoth so basically dispel bound gives him extra defense but can he do it very instantly if he can then yeah its inconclusive at best if its not as fast as goku's speed then yeah darsh can't exactly use bloodstone but still his hax is OP so i say inconclusive

 

[Victor2]

[[1]]

goku atomizes freeza to nothingness.

 

[Sheoth]

@Red

Basically. Something along those lines.

 

[Faisal_Shourov]

[[1]]
goku atomizes freeza to nothingness.

how do u now thats not cellular disintegration?

 

[Sheoth]

[[1]]
goku atomizes freeza to nothingness.

That's not atomizing dude.

Unless it is specifically shown/stated to have destroyed the Atoms directly, it is merely vaporization at the cellular level. Atoms cannot be destroyed in normal physical or chemical processes. Hell, atoms can't technically be "destroyed" at all, they can only be fused together to create new atoms, or diffused to become smaller parts (protons, electrons, etc.). Some atoms have unstable nuclei and these break down into smaller elements. Potassium-40 and carbon-14 are such examples, which breakdown into calcium and nitrogen, respectively, each totally different atoms.

In fiction, they can of course be destroyed (like in Bastard!! for example), but not unless it is specifically shown or stated.

@Faisal Shourov:

Correct me if I'm wrong in any area here.

 

[Victor2]

cause it`s not. he atomized him to nothingess, just like he did with Kid buu who can generate at atomic level.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

cause it`s not. he atomized him to nothingess, just like he did with Kid buu who can generate at atomic level.

IIRC, Kid Buu never showed anything beyond mollecular regen with the possibility of atomic regen, and even then, Goku only killed him with the Spirit Bomb, something he could never have done without.

 

[Sheoth]

IIRC, Kid Buu never showed anything beyond mollecular regen with the possibility of atomic regen, and even then, Goku only killed him with the Spirit Bomb, something he could never have done without.

This

 

[The_Living_Tribunal1]

cause it`s not. he atomized him to nothingess, just like he did with Kid buu who can generate at atomic level.

IIRC, Kid Buu never showed anything beyond mollecular regen with the possibility of atomic regen, and even then, Goku only killed him with the Spirit Bomb, something he could never have done without.

he could have defeated kid buu, but he didnt go all out from the very start

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

he could have defeated kid buu, but he didnt go all out from the very start

Defeated is not the same as destroyed permanently, which I don't recall him having the capacity to do.

 

[The_Living_Tribunal1]

he could have defeated kid buu, but he didnt go all out from the very start

Defeated is not the same as destroyed permanently, which I don't recall him having the capacity to do.

without completely destroying kid buu, he cannot be defeated, or else he will just come back

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

without completely destroying kid buu, he cannot be defeated, or else he will just come back

Eventually, yes. But Kid Buu still beat the crap out of Good Buu despite not destroying him, and it noticeably started weakening him.

 

[The_Living_Tribunal1]

without completely destroying kid buu, he cannot be defeated, or else he will just come back

Eventually, yes. But Kid Buu still beat the crap out of Good Buu despite not destroying him, and it noticeably started weakening him.

the mission was to stop buu, kid buu has a lot of endurance, you cant just beat him down just like that and expect him to not get back up, the only way to permanently stop him is by destroyign him completely, and as of that point, goku, gohan and vegito were capable of doing it, not saying its atomization though, since kid buu is shown to have molecular Regenerationn as per confirmation

 

[Faisal_Shourov]

Sheoth you're right, atomic disintegration is a kind of hax that can't be achieved by stats alone. You can smash atom into smaller subatomic particles, but atom itself can't be disintegrated completely. As you said, unless explicitly stated, it's not atomic disintegration.

 

[Sheoth]

Alright sweet.

 

[The_Living_Tribunal1]

Sheoth you're right, atomic disintegration is a kind of hax that can't be achieved by stats alone. You can smash atom into smaller subatomic particles, but atom itself can't be disintegrated completely. As you said, unless explicitly specified, it's not atomic disintegration.

atoms can be destroyed- it just takes a lot of energy

still, thats delving into the dynamics of reality, whereas, i dont think that this is a confirmed case in fiction

 

[Faisal_Shourov]

^The mechanic you're mentioning is not present in fiction in general. Atomic disintegration is treated as hax.

 

[The_Living_Tribunal1]

^The mechanic you're mentioning is not present in fiction in general. Atomic disintegration is treated as hax.

which is what i said....

just clearing that it is the case in fiction

 

[Frenchie-123]

Scan?

i think mutlty galaxy punch can vaporize 3-C being ..........