Regarding Bleach characters actual scalling and planet level top tiers

[LordTracer]

Why not?

I'm literally talking about the content of those same scans.

It doesn’t matter, you made multiple claims in the OP, and you proved none of them. All of your claims need scans proving them, otherwise this can’t even be considered, let alone accepted and applied.

 

[Tyri456]

I disagree with everything, but what he is saying isn’t that farfetched not sure why everyone look so surprised Kubo can very well adopt this interpretation too, the version are never specified to us, is just improbable what he is proposing, current scaling is still the better choice overall So no reason to accept.

 

[Arcker123]

I disagree with everything, but what he is saying isn’t that farfetched not sure why everyone look so surprised Kubo can very well adopt this interpretation too, the version are never specified to us, is just improbable what he is proposing, current scaling is still the better choice overall So no reason to accept.

Why does it have to be specified? Since it’s not, Occam’s razor tells us that the statement applies to all forms of ichigo broadly, which would include the 5-A getsuga. It doesn’t have to be one specific form, it’s just all forms.

 

[Hasch]

It doesn’t matter, you made multiple claims in the OP, and you proved none of them. All of your claims need scans proving them, otherwise this can’t even be considered, let alone accepted and applied.

You are not making any sense, I could post those same scans twice if you want and only then you would actually try and refute the claims?


You can ask which part of the claims you don't understand and then I can clarify that.

Why does it have to be specified? Since it’s not, Occam’s razor tells us that the statement applies to all forms of ichigo broadly, which would include the 5-A getsuga. It doesn’t have to be one specific form, it’s just all forms.

Because context points to a different version of Ichigo, same as context points to base Aizen.

-Is absurd to believe someone that is not transcendental, that would only give a decent fight to Hikone who would be oneshoted by Zaraki Shikai, and who has never benefited from exponential power ups just from rage,something that has never happened to anybody in the manga, can hit harder than the Ichigo that oneshoted Ywach.

-That Getsuga supposedly stronger than the one that oneshot Ywach could be slightly deflected by Tokinada, who is weaker than base Aizen

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Why does it have to be specified? Since it’s not, Occam’s razor tells us that the statement applies to all forms of ichigo broadly, which would include the 5-A getsuga. It doesn’t have to be one specific form, it’s just all forms.

The raws for the Ginjo Getsuga statement say Ginjo’s GT = the strongest Getsuga Ichigo ever fired. So the statement does specify it’s the one he used against Yhwach, since his strongest GT was the one that killed Yhwach.

 

[Hasch]

The raws for the Ginjo Getsuga statement say Ginjo’s GT = the strongest Getsuga Ichigo ever fired. So the statement does specify it’s the one he used against Yhwach, since his strongest GT was the one that killed Yhwach.

How does that make sense when Ginjo is weaker than Hikone who is weaker than evolved Aizen since the kid isn't trascendental.

Tokinada reacting and slightly deflecting the Getsuga also shows Narita doesn't mean that Ichigo from the Ywach fight.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

How does that make sense when Ginjo is weaker than Hikone who is weaker than evolved Aizen since the kid isn't trascendental.

Tokinada reacting and slightly deflecting the Getsuga also shows Narita doesn't mean that Ichigo from the Ywach fight.

The whole “Tokinada scales to Ginjo tho” has been repetitively debunked in my original CRT. And as far as how Ginjo tapped into that power it was an emotion amp, again addressed in my original CRT.

Regardless I’ll take the word of god, author statement for Ginjo over a fan’s interpretation/disbelief.

 

[Hasch]

The whole “Tokinada scales to Ginjo tho” has been repetitively debunked in my original CRT. And as far as how Ginjo tapped into that power it was an emotion amp, again addressed in my original CRT.

Regardless I’ll take the word of god, author statement for Ginjo over a fan’s interpretation/disbelief.

No it hast, Ginjo tried and failed to defeat Tokinada, and the emotional amp thing is nonsense given is never being a thing in the franchise and the supposedly stronger than Ywach attack was defended, just because you mentioned the thing doesn't mean there's any weight to that.

You can't hide incoherent, contradictory, or misinterpreted statement behind accusing the other part with disbelief, that's a fallacy, and ultimately what actually happened in the story holds more weight.



First of all, to at least start to address my points, try and prove either Hikone or Zaraki can't be sensed.


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[Naeblis495]

Dangai stronger than true bankai or HoS.

Did i travelled back to 2016 or something ?

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

No it hast, Ginjo tried and failed to defeat Tokinada, and the emotional amp thing is nonsense given is never being a thing in the franchise and the supposedly stronger than Ywach attack was defended, just because you mentioned the thing doesn't mean there's any weight to that.

You can't hide incoherent, contradictory, or misinterpreted statement behind accusing the other part with disbelief, that's a fallacy, and ultimately what actually happened in the story holds more weight.



First of all, to at least start to address my points, try and prove either Hikone or Zaraki can't be sensed.


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I’ll address your in points in depth either this weekend or next Wednesday after my finals.

 

[Kingcrim212]

Everyone in this thread seems to make sense to me.

 

[Reio35]

I agree with the downgrade undebunkable

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

I hate both of you

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

I hate both of you

Well, I love you

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

 

[Hasch]

Anyway, does anyone have any counterargument or can we just apply this.

 

[Arkenis]

No wait for their response

 

[Hasch]

We can't wait forever.

It doesn’t matter, you made multiple claims in the OP, and you proved none of them. All of your claims need scans proving them, otherwise this can’t even be considered, let alone accepted and applied.

Damn, not even I'm this desperate to downgrade Bleach.

This thread just makes me shake my head.

Any of you, any argument?

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Anyway, does anyone have any counterargument or can we just apply this.

Get it through your dense, thick skull that you can’t apply a single thing without staff approval. Read man read, how many times do we gotta tell you the same thing over and over.

 

[Hasch]

Get it through your dense, thick skull that you can’t apply a single thing without staff approval. Read man read, how many times do we gotta tell you the same thing over and over.

I do understand that, that just means they must be urged to show up and give an opinion, or just accept the OP if they see there's no valid counterargument.

Since this is adressing your original thread, want to give it a try?

Why are you scaling non trascendental characters to evolved Aizen?

 

[Arcker123]

We can't wait forever.




Any of you, any argument?

 

[Arkenis]

We can't wait forever.

Why not?

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

I do understand that

Clearly you don’t or you wouldn’t keep repeating “can I apply this now, can I apply this now?”

Since this is adressing your original thread, want to give it a try?

Why are you scaling non trascendental characters to evolved Aizen?

Why don’t you read my original thread and read CFYOW. Because if you read either you’d have the answers to that. It’s stated in the novels themselves that Hikone shattered the boundaries between hollow and Shinigami during his fight with Kenpachi. Aka he’s transcendent, furthermore Kenpachi reached a level of transcendence in the war arc, as his soldiers couldn’t sense his reiatsu until he lowered it.

Do me a favor, and instead of repeating poor arguments that have been addressed, go thoroughly read the thread that upgraded said characters and actually read CFYOW. Because you’re spouting blatant falsehoods.

 

[Damage3245]

@Arc7Kuroi; I fully understand your frustration on this but please don't address other users as having "dense, thick skulls".

This user isn't troublesome enough to be deserve getting angry over and insulting them.

 

[Hasch]

Why don’t you read my original thread and read CFYOW. Because if you read either you’d have the answers to that. It’s stated in the novels themselves that Hikone shattered the boundaries between hollow and Shinigami during his fight with Kenpachi. Aka he’s transcendent, furthermore Kenpachi reached a level of transcendence in the war arc, as his soldiers couldn’t sense his reiatsu until he lowered it.

Do me a favor, and instead of repeating poor arguments that have been addressed, go thoroughly read the thread that upgraded said characters and actually read CFYOW. Because you’re spouting blatant falsehoods.

Can you not see where it clearly says they all could still feel the reiatsu from Hikone?

Where it says Mayuri or Urahara can challenge him, while anything was useless vs Aizen?

When Nanana outright says Hikone is weaker than Aizen?

When Kenpachi was trascendental for random unseated officers, IN SHIKAI WHICH HIKONNE NEVER FOUGHT AGAINST, while even Isshin or Urahara couldn't sense Aizen?


I have read your thread and the novel, either think a coherent argument or concede.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

@Arc7Kuroi; I fully understand your frustration on this but please don't address other users as having "dense, thick skulls".

This user isn't troublesome enough to be deserve getting angry over and insulting them.

Will do, I apologize for my use of inappropriate language.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

As I promised, here's the original document that got those characters upgraded. However, I will highlight the relevant portions below:

Spoiler: CFYOW Scaling

Chapter 4: Can’t Fear Your Own World​

4.1 Hikone​

Hikone is an artificial soul crafted as an amalgamation of all the important races within Bleach. They were created by Tokinada in order to replace the position of Soul King with someone Tokinada could easily manipulate. Throughout the events of Can’t Fear Your Own World (CFYOW), Hikone grows immensely in strength from someone who could barely fend off the three remaining Espada and surviving Sternritter (Grimmjow, Neliel, Halibel, Liltotto, Giselle, and Zombie Bambietta) to someone so powerful they were a match for the strongest of the verse. This section will detail a large variety of scaling Hikone has that puts them as one of the strongest characters in the entire series.

The first argument is that a weaker base Hikone scales to Ikomikidomoe. Ikomikidomoe is the same Hollow that in the past was able to defeat Yamamoto (prior to Yamamoto getting his Zanpakuto). This is quite impressive considering that base Yamamoto is capable of taking the full force of his amplified Shikai flames without falling unconscious, and as mentioned in prior sections, Yamamoto scales above the likes of SAFWY Kenpachi Zaraki. There is a caveat to mention, Ikomikidomoe had his name sealed by Ichibe and is implied to have been weakened by that. However, later Hikone would fuse their and Ikomikidomoe’s power and reach heights greater than the sum of their individual powers prior, and Hikone is even stronger in base by the end of the story than when they claim to be relative to Ikomikidomoe. All this means that they should be in that same realm of power regardless.

The second argument is much more obvious and blatant than the first. The second Hikone activates their Resurreccion, everyone participating at the climactic battle (which include people who have bore witness to the Soul King in one form or another) instinctively knew Hikone possessed all the qualities to become the Soul King. This is a very peculiar statement, being that the same statement was given to Ichigo Kurosaki. As is common knowledge at this point, all the Soul King is is a lynchpin who prevents the collapse of the realms through raw spiritual energy, and both Ichigo and Hikone are brute force fighters. All they have is a large amount of power at their disposal and a reiatsu mix of all the races, and as Tokinada states, someone with the power of the races and the qualities of the Soul King can destroy the world as they please. Hikone’s full power reaching Reio levels of output is not far fetched considering what the narrator and certain characters claim about their power level.

When the narrator is listing off characters who can defeat and/or fight Hikone at their peak power, they make mention that Muken Aizen could only defeat Hikone if he were serious. To put that into a scaling chain would net the following: casual Muken Aizen < Full Power Hikone < serious Muken Aizen ~ Soul King Yhwach ~ True Bankai Ichigo > True Shikai Hollow Ichigo’s strongest attack > True Shikai Hollow Ichigo > True Shikai Ichigo > Final Getsuga Tenshou Ichigo > post-Dangai training Ichigo > God Aizen > fourth Hogyoku fusion Aizen = Reio’s husk ~ planetary. The difference between True Shikai Ichigo and True Bankai Ichigo in terms of attack potency is a hundred times, and as proposed in section 2.1, the difference between Final Getsuga Tenshou Ichigo and God Aizen is a thousand times. This would put the Reio’s corpse’s spiritual power a hundred thousand times beneath a serious Muken Aizen, meanwhile Hikone’s full power is so great it would require Aizen to be serious to win. Muken Aizen needing to get serious to defeat Hikone at their peak would indicate that Hikone is somewhat relative to Muken Aizen, and it is important to understand that you can be relative to someone and still lose to them.

Furthermore, Liltotto makes a statement that adds further consistency to Hikone being above the likes of casual god tiers in the verse. When Hikone is charging up a cero, Liltotto claimed it was an extraordinary amount of reiatsu unlike any she felt before. Liltotto having fought and lost to a casual Soul King Yhwach, should have a decent awareness of Yhwach’s casual power output. This is actually significant, as Yhwach as the new Soul King is passively keeping the planets from entirely annihilating themselves. So again, this can produce two scaling chains, both placing Hikone above Reio’s husk: planetary ~ Reio’s husk ~< casual Soul King Yhwach < base Hikone’s amped Cero < Soul King Yhwach ~ True Bankai Ichigo > True Shikai Hollow Ichigo’s strongest attack > True Shikai Hollow Ichigo > True Shikai Ichigo > Final Getsuga Tenshou Ichigo > post-Dangai training Ichigo > God Aizen > fourth Hogyoku fusion Aizen = Reio’s husk ~ planetary. As said in the previous paragraph, the difference between the god tiers and Reio’s enshrined body is a hundred thousand times. Meanwhile, Hikone is able to surpass said god tiers at their casual power.

At this point, it should be abundantly obvious that Hikone is a “Soul King” level fighter. Not only are they outright stated to possess the qualities of the Soul King, but they also are so powerful that the god tiers would have to take them seriously in a fight to be capable of winning. This shouldn’t come as a surprise, as later in section 4.5 you’ll learn how the entire point of Hikone’s character was to get this strong.

4.2 Kenpachi Zaraki​

Kenpachi doesn’t have much new scaling outside of fighting and matching Resurreccion Hikone in his base without his eyepatch. Which is quite impressive in and of itself after what was brought to light above. Additionally, Zaraki finally becomes a Kenpachi fitting of his title, as he is finally the strongest Shinigami as confirmed by the author. However, the most interesting feat comes from when Zaraki fights Ikomikidomoe.

After Hikone’s defeat, Ikomikidomoe can finally burst forth and he consumes fragments of the Reio to break Ichibe’s seal by gaining a vast amount of power. However, this is all for naught as Kenpachi releases Nozarashi and obliterates Ikomikidomoe. This is sneakily impressive thanks to a fight that occurs between Ichibe and Yhwach in the manga. Yhwach steals Yamamoto’s Bankai within his medallion before killing Yamamoto in the first invasion. Then during the second invasion, Ichibe is able to seal Yamamoto’s Bankai and prevent Yhwach from making use of it. Because Ikomikidomoe was able to break free from Ichibe’s seal with raw power, but Yamamoto’s Bankai could be sealed by Ichibe just fine, that would prove that Ikomikidomoe in that instant surpassed Yamamoto’s Bankai. Then Kenpachi one shot that Ikomikidomoe. Zaraki surpassing an opponent who surpassed Zanka no Tachi is quite the impressive feat.

4.3 Ginjo​

Ginjo is a very interesting and underrated character within the events of CFYOW. Particularly a statement that has drawn quite the controversy is of interest here, and we shall explain why it’s actually rather consistent. Ginjo’s Getsuga Tenshou rivaled Ichigo’s strongest Getsuga as stated by the narrator. Now let’s break this down.

First thing to draw attention to is Ginjo’s state in this scene. Ginjo when he fires this attack is in his Bankai and it is outright stated that this attack was amplified by the intense emotions he was feeling at the time. Ginjo’s Bankai is a tad bit different from your average Bankai, if you pay close attention to its appearance you’ll notice it is very Hollow-like. This isn’t surprising because Ginjo stole Ichigo’s powers (containing reiatsu from all races), as indicated by the characteristic black eyes and tattoo markings even Ichigo would later adorn in the final arc with his Hollow powers. Ginjo can even fire a Cero (or Cero-like) attack in Bankai. The point here being that Ginjo is receiving Bankai and Hollow amps in this state. Furthermore, we know your emotions and state of mind can enhance your power as stated by Yoruichi, and with how Ichigo’s emotions vastly affect his power level. Ginjo was even stated to be able to possibly combat Hikone had he not been preoccupied. So, we have an emotion amped, Bankai-Hollow form that’s fused with the reiatsu of all races, Soul King candidate who can put up a fight against Resurreccion Hikone, Ginjo’s strongest Getsuga rivaling Ichigo’s strongest Getsuga (as seen in the story this would refer to this attack). Emotion amped Bankai Ginjo being able to reach a fatigued True Bankai Ichigo’s power is not only outright stated, but also backed up by other statements within CFYOW.

4.4 Scaling​

There are a few scaling chains introduced within CFYOW, some of which you’ve been introduced to above. We’ll run down a simplified list of the chains. Hikone’s first scaling chain: casual Muken Aizen < Full Power Hikone < serious Muken Aizen ~ Soul King Yhwach ~ True Bankai Ichigo > True Shikai Hollow Ichigo’s strongest attack > True Shikai Hollow Ichigo > True Shikai Ichigo > Final Getsuga Tenshou Ichigo > post-Dangai training Ichigo > God Aizen > fourth Hogyoku fusion Aizen = Reio’s husk. Hikone’s second scaling chain: Reio’s husk ~< casual Soul King Yhwach < base Hikone’s amped Cero < Soul King Yhwach ~ True Bankai Ichigo > True Shikai Hollow Ichigo’s strongest attack > True Shikai Hollow Ichigo > True Shikai Ichigo > Final Getsuga Tenshou Ichigo > post-Dangai training Ichigo > God Aizen > fourth Hogyoku fusion Aizen = Reio’s husk. Kenpachi’s first scaling chain: Full Power Hikone ~ base eyepatchless Zaraki < Shikai Kenpachi < Bankai Kenpachi. Kenpachi’s second scaling chain: Bankai Yamamoto < Reio fragments consumed Ikomikidomoe < Shikai Kenpachi < Bankai Kenpachi. Ginjo’s scaling chain: Full Power Hikone likely ~ Bankai Ginjo < emotion amped Bankai Ginjo ~ fatigued True Bankai Ichigo.

Kenpachi Zaraki and Bankai Ginjo both scale relative to Hikone who far outscales the Reio’s husk. As you are well aware at this point, Reio’s husk scales to planetary levels of power. Additionally, Hikone should downscale only slightly from a serious Muken Aizen, scaling Zaraki, Ginjo, and Hikone into large planetary. Kenpachi adding further support by scaling above Zanka no Tachi.

4.5 Narrative Consistency​

The upper echelon of the CFYOW cast posing threats to the entire world is rather consistent. As noted in section 4.1, Hikone’s sole purpose was to usurp the current Soul King (Yhwach’s remaining spiritual energy that was enshrined), where very early in the novels they are stated to possess the potential to become a Yhwach level threat. Hikone’s Zanpakuto being hailed as a world destroying force and a world ending threat all before they even reach the pinnacle of their power. The reason Hikone was sent on several battles throughout the entire story of the novels was to steadily increase their power level until they could become a suitable replacement for the Soul King. With this coming to fruition as Hikone by the third novel had obtained all the qualities of the Soul King, just as Ichigo had before him. Hikone at his maximum power was so strong that it would require the likes of Muken Aizen to fight seriously to win. Hikone’s character arc even revolves around them learning to think for themselves and realize the wrong in Tokinada’s manipulating them into becoming the next Soul King.

Ginjo being able to reach this “Soul King” tier with his strongest form and attacks while amped by emotions is believable as well. He can scrap with the likes of Hikone at their strongest, and even believes that he can contest with the power of Zangetsu. Furthermore, like Hikone and Ichigo, Ginjo is a mixing pot of all the races (Shinigami, Hollow, Quincy, and Fullbringer). Such hybrid characters are consistently far stronger than their peers, as they are genetically similar to the Reio, they are candidates for becoming the Soul King. To top it off, Ginjo is repetitively placed on a pedestal in comparison to his peers in combat. Ginjo possesses no anti-feats throughout the novel and is stated multiple times to be on the same plane of power as the god tiers of the verse.

Finally, it should be no shock to anyone that Kenpachi Zaraki reached this level of power. Not only has he far surpassed the power of the Sokyoku even before the war with the Quincies, he even reached a level of transcendence during the war. Kenpachi is a monster and has always been portrayed as a beast. The fact he is placed on the same stand as Ichigo and Aizen in characters who can defeat Hikone speaks volumes. Similar to the likes of Ginjo and Hikone, whenever he is on the battlefield he is touted as one of if not the strongest there. The battle hungry Zaraki having surpassed all pure Shinigami of and not of his era is truly worthy of his title of Kenpachi.

Stepping back and looking at all the “Soul King” power characters you’ll understand how reasonable it actually is. Kenpachi Zaraki at the height of his power as we’ve seen him in the story and the only character to reach levels of transcendence without being special in some way (no mixed race, no Hogyoku, no son of Reio, etc). Ginjo Kugo, Hikone Ubuginu, and Ichigo Kurosaki all containing the reiatsu of Shinigami, Hollow, Quincy, and Fullbringer, all Soul King candidates. Sosuke Aizen having stepped far beyond the realm of god after fusing with the Hogyoku and evolving over and over again. Yhwach, the son of Reio or power stripped directly from Reio, the current Soul King of the Bleach universe. All these characters are connected to the Reio directly or through their genetic makeup, and/or have reached levels of transcendence, these characters represent the absolute heights of combat power in Bleach.

I don’t think the OP has come anywhere close to sufficiently addressing my claims here, so I will wait for staff to comment before I address anything further.

 

[Hasch]

I don’t think the OP has come anywhere close to sufficiently addressing my claims here, so I will wait for staff to comment before I address anything further.

Stop deflecting, answer the questions

Can you not see where it clearly says they all could still feel the reiatsu from Hikone?

Where it says Mayuri or Urahara can challenge him, while anything was useless vs Aizen?

When Nanana outright says Hikone is weaker than Aizen?

When Kenpachi was trascendental for random unseated officers, IN SHIKAI WHICH HIKONNE NEVER FOUGHT AGAINST, while even Isshin or Urahara couldn't sense Aizen?


I have read your thread and the novel, either think a coherent argument or concede.

 

[Arcker123]

Can you not see where it clearly says they all could still feel the reiatsu from Hikone?

Could they not feel Aizen (5-A version) in TYBW when he was flexing?

Where it says Mayuri or Urahara can challenge him, while anything was useless vs Aizen?

With IQ, and prep, not AP. Also hikone can be weaker than Aizen and still be 5-A. Hell that’s what we accept. Not an argument.

When Nanana outright says Hikone is weaker than Aizen?

Doesn’t mean Hikone is not 5-A lmao. You can be weaker than Aizen and be 5-A.

When Kenpachi was trascendental for random unseated officers, IN SHIKAI WHICH HIKONNE NEVER FOUGHT AGAINST, while even Isshin or Urahara couldn't sense Aizen?

Since when was sensing AP? Ichigo (Who was weaker than Aizen, Kisuke, and Isshin) could sense Aizen. Not an anti feat. Kenpachi is accepted to be 5-A with Hikone, so that’s not an anti feat.

I have read your thread and the novel, either think a coherent argument or concede.

Projection.

Stop deflecting, answer the questions

Lmao

 

[Hasch]

Here, unseated officers can't sense Shikai Zaraki, they do sense base Zaraki

Here, Isshin and Urahara which are elite captain tier can't sense the first evolved Aizen

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

so I will wait for staff to comment before I address anything further.

Exercise some patience, damage and tracer are clearly aware this thread exists, I’m sure they will comment when they get time. People have busy lives and aren’t obligated to drop everything at your whim. I will address stuff further when staff clarify their stances, so I can focus my time and energy on what is productive.

 

[Hasch]

Could they not feel Aizen (5-A version) in TYBW when he was flexing?

No, they never say they can sense him.

With IQ, and prep, not AP. Also hikone can be weaker than Aizen and still be 5-A. Hell that’s what we accept. Not an argument.

None of that worked on evolved Aizen, if he is weaker than that he doesn't scale to planet level.

Since when was sensing AP? Ichigo (Who was weaker than Aizen, Kisuke, and Isshin) could sense Aizen. Not an anti feat. Kenpachi is accepted to be 5-A with Hikone, so that’s not an anti feat.

Because his reiryoku was greater than those two but Zangetsu was supresing part of his powers, he is an exception.

 

[Deceived3596]

None of that worked on evolved Aizen, if he is weaker than that he doesn't scale to planet level.

BECAUSE AIZEN HAS REGENERATION, HIKONE DOESN'T HAVE REGENERATION ON THE LEVEL OF AIZEN.

like homie you deadass haven't read the Manga nor CFYOW.

Literally the main reason why neither Urahara nor Mayuri can do anything to Aizen is because he'll just regenerate from it.

Has nothing to do with Aizen being stronger then Hikone.

 

[Hasch]

BECAUSE AIZEN HAS REGENERATION, HIKONE DOESN'T HAVE REGENERATION ON THE LEVEL OF AIZEN.

like homie you deadass haven't read the Manga nor CFYOW.

Literally the main reason why neither Urahara nor Mayuri can do anything to Aizen is because he'll just regenerate from it.

Has nothing to do with Aizen being stronger then Hikone.

No, sealing kido or attacks simply have no effect until his reiatsu gets low enough, regeneration is just a bonus for things that do affect him, which only Ichigo was capable of doing.

 

[Arcker123]

Here, unseated officers can't sense Shikai Zaraki, they do sense base Zaraki

What’s being proven here? Like I don’t understand why this matters to the overall argument.

Here, Isshin and Urahara which are elite captain tier can't sense the first evolved Aizen

Ok? Ichigo was weaker than base Aizen. Base Aizen is relative to Isshin and Kisuke, condom Aizen is stronger than that.

Condom Aizen>Base Aizen~Kisuke~Isshin~Ichigo. Ichigo could still sense Aizen. Sensing is clearly not AP related lmao. Not an anti feat. Sensing doesn’t mean relativity. What’s the point here?

No, they never say they can sense him

IIRC They clearly felt some daunting presence from him. Whereas Kisuke in the other example didn’t.

None of that worked on evolved Aizen, if he is weaker than that he doesn't scale to planet level.

Or maybe? Two characters can be different in strength and 5-A! Crazy right. Decived already beat you up on the not working part.

Because his reiryoku was greater than those two but Zangetsu was supresing part of his powers, he is an exception.

Irrelevant. The fact is he was still weaker than them in AP at the time, which is all that matters to this discussion

 

[Arkenis]

Here, unseated officers can't sense Shikai Zaraki, they do sense base Zaraki

They can't sense base Kenpachi when he's up there.

 

[Arkenis]

Only some of them can't sense his sp.

 

[Deceived3596]

No, sealing kido or attacks simply have no effect until his reiatsu gets low enough, regeneration is just a bonus for things that do affect him, which only Ichigo was capable of doing.

Have you read TYBW by any chance? like come on bruh.

 

[Arcker123]

Have you read TYBW by any chance?

Mayuri: “Here’s this specially designed sealing technology specifically designed to seal the range of your full power. No matter what you do you cannot beat this seal, as you fail to make your reiatsu go past your body, proving how effective my seal is. As shown here, even when your at full strength and fully healthy my seal works”

No, sealing kido or attacks simply have no effect until his reiatsu gets low enough

 

[Arkenis]

I really gotta see his response to this