Red-Hot Hadou - Mario vs Akuma (7-1-0) [Concluded]

[CrackerVolley]

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I was looking for for a 6-C Soulslike character to pit against the Ruined Dragon from Oddessy, but I remembered Akuma was 6-C and this seemed cooler.

Location: Lethal Lava Land
Starting Distance: 10 meters
Base 6-C Mario is being used, and gets his standard equipment except for what puts him into Low 6-B.
Speed Equalized.

Funny Yahoo Man (Slightly downscales from 3.36 gigatons): 7 (CrackerVolley, Arkansalted, Koopa, Zespeon, Da3ggman, Unknown_Warrior, AStrangeverse)
Angry Punch Man (5.425 gigatons): 1 (Ryu)

Fight Music

 

[koopa3144]

So, Akuma is slightly stronger then Mario here. Mario has dealt with master Martial Artist's before and has fought a large variety of opponents so he should be able to keep up here. Mario's more versatile with his power ups and can do things like freeze him with the Ice Flower. I'm not gonna vote yet but I feel like Mario can outlast Akuma long enough with mushrooms and 1-ups to be able to take him out.

 

[TegamiBachi25]

Would the Raging Demon even work on Mario, cause Mario is a good guy and he hasn't committed that much sins if any at all. Minus the few times he has been jealous towards Luigi

 

[ZespeonGalaxy]

Could've brought up Mario capturing DK !1!1!1!

 

[ZespeonGalaxy]

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I was looking for for a 6-C Soulslike character to pit against the Ruined Dragon from Oddessy, but I remembered Akuma was 6-C and this seemed cooler.

Location: Lethal Lava Land
Starting Distance: 10 meters
Base 6-C Mario is being used.
Speed Equalized.

Funny Yahoo Man (Slightly downscales from 3.36 gigatons):
Angry Punch Man (5.425 gigatons):

Fight Music

given what koopa said I think Mario has more battle experience, more varied arsenal, not on PC however so I'm holding my vote

 

[TegamiBachi25]

Could've brought up Mario capturing DK !1!1!1!

Oh right, that.

 

[Armorchompy]

Akuma's definitely more skilled (Mario's beaten expert martial artists but not really ones as specialized and with feats as clear cut as especially higher end SF people, although honestly I don't think there's anything too insane in terms of feats for the verse) but I think Mario can win here, depending on his equipment (I'm not sure what exactly he's being given here).

 

[CrackerVolley]

Ok, sorry for not responding sooner. I've been busy moving to a house a few miles away from my current one and I may or my not have slipped off the back of a U-haul truck and ate shit.

As for Mario's equipment, I didn't initally think to hard about it because it's technically in a different tabber, but now, but I just noticed that his standard equipment says "Hammer, Power-Ups, and items". It's a bit vague, so I'm just going to rectify this quickly by saying that he gets his standard hammer, one Fire Flower, one Ice Flower, and one Super Bell.

 

[CrackerVolley]

Bump

 

[AStrangeverse]

Ok, sorry for not responding sooner. I've been busy moving to a house a few miles away from my current one and I may or my not have slipped off the back of a U-haul truck and ate shit.

As for Mario's equipment, I didn't initally think to hard about it because it's technically in a different tabber, but now, but I just noticed that his standard equipment says "Hammer, Power-Ups, and items". It's a bit vague, so I'm just going to rectify this quickly by saying that he gets his standard hammer, one Fire Flower, one Ice Flower, and one Super Bell.

why does he get those few instead of like, the entirety of his available standard equipment

doin the whole "pick-and-choose" thing should only be applicable to his optional equipment

and Mario's AP is scaled to 24.49 gt, since the 33.66 gt is reserved for those who scale to DK and up

 

[TheRadiantSoul]

Mario AP stomps with most of his standard power ups. You can't restrict standard Equipment.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Mario AP stomps with most of his standard power ups. You can't restrict standard Equipment.

You can restrict it if it's a higher tier.

 

[Armorchompy]

why does he get those few instead of like, the entirety of his available standard equipment

doin the whole "pick-and-choose" thing should only be applicable to his optional equipment

I guess, kind of questionable if he really should have those in standard to begin with. But if he's got all his stuff he probably wins.

and Mario's AP is scaled to 24.49 gt, since the 33.66 gt is reserved for those who scale to DK and up

Mario does scale to DK, he's just inferior.

 

[CrackerVolley]

why does he get those few instead of like, the entirety of his available standard equipment

doin the whole "pick-and-choose" thing should only be applicable to his optional equipment

As mentioned before, his standard equipment section is obnoxiously vague. I’m willing to give some leeway on this, but it should be discussed by everyone here.

 

[AStrangeverse]

Mario does scale to DK, he's just inferior.

that's weird, but aight

As mentioned before, his standard equipment section is obnoxiously vague. I’m willing to give some leeway on this, but it should be discussed by everyone here.

there are tabbers in his P&A that should've helped with the confusion

 

[CrackerVolley]

there are tabbers in his P&A that should've helped with the confusion

And if we went purely off the tabbers, that means Mario would have multiple forms of invulnerability off the bat...

And I'm unsure if would be acceptable to just not give him his standard equipment at this point.

 

[AStrangeverse]

that's kinda the point, it's there to provide a better explanation

the only stuff that puts him at Low 6-B are his invincibility power-ups, so just restrict that (if you can, I don't remember)

you'd have to specify it in the OP though

 

[CrackerVolley]

Done.

 

[Armorchompy]

Yeah in that case Mario has a whole lot of healing and options here. I think Akuma might still edge it out if it wasn't for 1-ups but I think Mario does just outlast him. Might be a stomp if Mario straight-up has 99 of them or whatever the item cap is in the RPGs.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Yeah in that case Mario has a whole lot of healing and options here. I think Akuma might still edge it out if it wasn't for 1-ups but I think Mario does just outlast him. Might be a stomp if Mario straight-up has 99 of them or whatever the item cap is in the RPGs.

Unironically it's pretty easy to argue that 1-UPs need to be used by someone else on Mario to be effective, considering in the games he still goes to the beginning of the level and in Mario and Luigi he is down and out until his brother rams one of those shrooms down his throat

 

[CrackerVolley]

Bump

 

[CrackerVolley]

bump

 

[Armorchompy]

Unironically it's pretty easy to argue that 1-UPs need to be used by someone else on Mario to be effective, considering in the games he still goes to the beginning of the level and in Mario and Luigi he is down and out until his brother rams one of those shrooms down his throat

mario supporters how do we feel about that

 

[CrackerVolley]

bump

 

[CrackerVolley]

bump

 

[Ryu-Strongest-Fighter-in-Universe]

Akuma wins
With shun goku satsu akuma can instantly kill and destroy mario's soul
For the ones who are saying that won't kill mario because he is a good guy, there are two people who got killed by it but were a good guys:
1- Gouken who is master of ryu and a power of nothingness user (power of nothingness = power of good people). SGS worked on him as well, but he tricked the death by a vague technique of PON
2- Goutetsu who was the master of both Akuma and Gouken. Although he was a user of Satsui No Hado, he never falls in it and was able to control it (his main power was more PON). Gouken always reminded that he was a good person, but unfortunately got killed by akuma (he killed him with SGS)

 

[DaReaperMan]

Akuma wins
With shun goku satsu akuma can instantly kill and destroy mario's soul
For the ones who are saying that won't kill mario because he is a good guy, there are two people who got killed by it but were a good guys:
1- Gouken who is master of ryu and a power of nothingness user (power of nothingness = power of good people). SGS worked on him as well, but he tricked the death by a vague technique of PON
2- Goutetsu who was the master of both Akuma and Gouken. Although he was a user of Satsui No Hado, he never falls in it and was able to control it (his main power was more PON). Gouken always reminded that he was a good person, but unfortunately got killed by akuma (he killed him with SGS)

I can see someone didn't read Akuma's profile. Raging Demon doesn't soulfuck people that was a mistranslation.

 

[Ryu-Strongest-Fighter-in-Universe]

I can see someone didn't read Akuma's profile. Raging Demon doesn't soulfuck people that was a mistranslation.

i've read it and im completely disagree with this
english version never considered as non-canon, so i consider it for him
If it was non-canon they didn't publish it for the world and us to play it
in the comics (although are non-canon) akuma stated that this technique is related to the soul. Yeah i cooked
Just kidding. Still don't agree with removing soul banishment from akuma's profile

Also even without it shun goku satsu works on the fodder

 

[DaReaperMan]

i've read it and im completely disagree with this
english version never considered as non-canon, so i consider it for him
If it was non-canon they didn't publish it for the world and us to play it
in the comics (although are non-canon) akuma stated that this technique is related to the soul. Yeah i cooked
Just kidding. Still don't agree with removing soul banishment from akuma's profile

Also even without it shun goku satsu works on the fodder

Unfortunately, whatever you say doesn't matter compared to the profile, which is what you use for all PnA stuff like haxes, and the profile doesn't have Soul Manipulation on it.

And further to the point, a translation from Japanese to English done by us goes above the localization, so... no.

 

[Ryu-Strongest-Fighter-in-Universe]

Unfortunately, whatever you say doesn't matter compared to the profile, which is what you use for all PnA stuff like haxes, and the profile doesn't have Soul Manipulation on it.

And further to the point, a translation from Japanese to English done by us goes above the localization, so... no.

You can say anything, but English version never considered as non-canon
So a big no to your words
Also even without it akuma kills the fodder

 

[Arceus0x]

how do y'all deal with mfs like these on a daily basis?

Anyways, Mario wins, ice flower n shit is pretty op. This IS a vote.

 

[Ryu-Strongest-Fighter-in-Universe]

Im voting akuma

 

[DaReaperMan]

You can say anything, but English version never considered as non-canon
So a big no to your words

Street Fighter Big CRT Part 4: On Powers and Abilities

The title is self-explanatory, time for a mass giveaway. Not that all of the following proposals are to be intended as additions. When I will ask for removas, I will mark the distinction between them and the additions. Abilities that belong to (almost) everyone: Acrobatics: It doesn't need...

vsbattles.com

Oops! Looks like you're wrong~

What you're on was thoroughly ****** below

• Soul Manipulation: This will probably be surprising to many of you, but the Shun Goku Satsu/Raging Demon destroying the opponent's soul is actually a mistranslation. You see, everything originated from Akuma's ending in Street Fighter Alpha 3, in which he explains the Raging Demon and its effect. At the end, he says "witness the death of your soul!" to Gen. This is a translation choice that Capcom USA made back in the 90s, but in the original japanese text Akuma never mentions this. This is kinda backed up by the fact that it's impossible to find any other reference to this soul-destruction effect whatsoever. No dialogue, quote, website, bio and so on mentions it, as the attack itself is also rarely referenced. It also explains why Bison managed to survive with his psychic soul, as only his body was killed. The same for Gill in the non-canon ending of SF3, where he resurrects from Akuma's Raging Demon. The only other source that talks about this, but I can't confirm it, is apparently one issue of the Street Fighter UDON Comics, where Akuma uses it on Seth. However, other than not being canon, these comics are made by a Canadian team and they are little to no supervised or influenced by Capcom (as such the many differences in plot) and they probably have used the original USA translation as a source. It's no surprising, because the Raging Demon having this effect was pretty much common knowledge, as I too believed it had that effect. For how unfortunate it is, the Raging Demon still has durability negation properties, and they will be addressed right now in the next list.

And of course, what it got replaced with is below

• Death and Pain Manipulation: The Raging Demon still has the power to kill you through the weight of your sins (on top of being repeteadly pummeled by Akuma). Both the US translation and the Jap version match on this, your past sins kill you and the more evil you are the more pain you feel in death. This also will be applied to Asura Akuma, Tekken Akuma, Oni, Evil Ryu and Kage. Gen, Gouken and Heihachi will have resistance to Death manip, as they might have felt pain).

How does it feel to be wrong?

Also even without it akuma kills the fodder

I never said Akuma didn't probably win,

 

[DaReaperMan]

You can say anything, but English version never considered as non-canon
So a big no to your words
Also even without it akuma kills the fodder

Official Translation Requests Thread (New forum)

You are correct, thanks.

vsbattles.com

Also tracked down the translation for you since pages changed since Saman linked that originally

 

[Ryu-Strongest-Fighter-in-Universe]

Street Fighter Big CRT Part 4: On Powers and Abilities

The title is self-explanatory, time for a mass giveaway. Not that all of the following proposals are to be intended as additions. When I will ask for removas, I will mark the distinction between them and the additions. Abilities that belong to (almost) everyone: Acrobatics: It doesn't need...

vsbattles.com

Oops! Looks like you're wrong~

What you're on was thoroughly ****** below

• Soul Manipulation: This will probably be surprising to many of you, but the Shun Goku Satsu/Raging Demon destroying the opponent's soul is actually a mistranslation. You see, everything originated from Akuma's ending in Street Fighter Alpha 3, in which he explains the Raging Demon and its effect. At the end, he says "witness the death of your soul!" to Gen. This is a translation choice that Capcom USA made back in the 90s, but in the original japanese text Akuma never mentions this. This is kinda backed up by the fact that it's impossible to find any other reference to this soul-destruction effect whatsoever. No dialogue, quote, website, bio and so on mentions it, as the attack itself is also rarely referenced. It also explains why Bison managed to survive with his psychic soul, as only his body was killed. The same for Gill in the non-canon ending of SF3, where he resurrects from Akuma's Raging Demon. The only other source that talks about this, but I can't confirm it, is apparently one issue of the Street Fighter UDON Comics, where Akuma uses it on Seth. However, other than not being canon, these comics are made by a Canadian team and they are little to no supervised or influenced by Capcom (as such the many differences in plot) and they probably have used the original USA translation as a source. It's no surprising, because the Raging Demon having this effect was pretty much common knowledge, as I too believed it had that effect. For how unfortunate it is, the Raging Demon still has durability negation properties, and they will be addressed right now in the next list.

And of course, what it got replaced with is below

• Death and Pain Manipulation: The Raging Demon still has the power to kill you through the weight of your sins (on top of being repeteadly pummeled by Akuma). Both the US translation and the Jap version match on this, your past sins kill you and the more evil you are the more pain you feel in death. This also will be applied to Asura Akuma, Tekken Akuma, Oni, Evil Ryu and Kage. Gen, Gouken and Heihachi will have resistance to Death manip, as they might have felt pain).

How does it feel to be wrong?

Yeah i saw that fodder Reddit user who posted this some time ago
Still he is speaking shit, he never proved that English version is non-canon. He just stated that this is mistranslation without any proofs (used his headcanon).
Capcom USA is applied by the original capcom. So their translations are canon as there is no statement make them non-canon

I never said Akuma didn't probably win,

OK

 

[DaReaperMan]

Yeah i saw that fodder Reddit user who posted this some time ago
Still he is speaking shit, he never proved that English version is non-canon. He just stated that this is mistranslation without any proofs (used his headcanon).
Capcom USA is applied by the original capcom. So their translations are canon as there is no statement make them non-canon

Unfortunately, "nuh uh" isn't an argument, so three words to live by for this one: Cope, Seethe, Mald.

 

[Ryu-Strongest-Fighter-in-Universe]

Official Translation Requests Thread (New forum)

You are correct, thanks.

vsbattles.com

Also tracked down the translation for you since pages changed since Saman linked that originally

Just translating jp version won't make eng version non-canon lmao
You need a statement that said eng version is non-canon which ain't true

 

[DaReaperMan]

Just translating jp version won't make eng version non-canon lmao
You need a statement that said eng version is non-canon which ain't true

English version is automatically secondary canon due to being a localization, the original JP shit comes first. Always.

 

[Ryu-Strongest-Fighter-in-Universe]

Unfortunately, "nuh uh" isn't an argument, so three words to live by for this one: Cope, Seethe, Mald.

English version is automatically secondary canon due to being a localization, the original JP shit comes first. Always.

Am i joke to you?
You never proved that eng is non-canon

Even though jp is first version, eng version is applied by the original capcom which are japanese

 

[DaReaperMan]

Am i joke to you?

Yes.

You never proved that eng is non-canon

Even though jp is first version, eng version is applied by the original capcom which are japanese

This is how the Wiki works, doesn't matter if Capcom localized it themselves if their original dialogue doesn't mention the soul, oh well that's life!