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And for your other argument; Question, so Reinhard would resist an Al Goa by 80% of course, but would he also be resistant to a large wooden fire created by said Al Goa? Because that is no longer Mana fueled, it was created from the usage of Mana, but is only a result of said Mana, a side-effect of it.
I just don't think your example is comparable to what's going on with Al Karum.

I will also say that there is a major anti-feat against infinite power (even though both were nerfed) with the shockwaves from Reinhard and Satella's clashes taking seven days to destroy the world.
However, neither could show their true power as the Witch was a half-asleep, incomplete manifestation, while the Sword Saint was weakened by his injuries and the Witch's miasma. Even so, both were still so powerful that they could instantly end any fight against any opponent other than eachother, and merely the aftershocks of their battle would certainly destroy the world in seven days.

The feat of Reinhard changing the time of day is interesting, I've never really known what to do with it. He does clearly change it from night to day though.
 
I just don't think your example is comparable to what's going on with Al Karum.

I will also say that there is a major anti-feat against infinite power (even though both were nerfed) with the shockwaves from Reinhard and Satella's clashes taking seven days to destroy the world.
infinite universe ahh

could be a range thing

The feat of Reinhard changing the time of day is interesting, I've never really known what to do with it. He does clearly change it from night to day though.
This is what i am interested in too
 
Would you say its like how in Minecraft you can type a command to change it from Night to Day?
maybe, but i feel like there is more to it, i think its related to Reid's ability to change the core principles of the world or whatever the new tl will give us

I was wondering how to index it since its something i haven't seen before, especially with the fact that apparently it only affected a local area and not the entire world. Some people theorize that the destruction and reacreation happened simultaneously so people didn't even realize the world was destroyed and recreated

Would i conclude the "world" to be a universe though? no.

1 solar system max
 
I was wondering how to index it since its something i haven't seen before, especially with the fact that apparently it only affected a local area and not the entire world. Some people theorize that the destruction and reacreation happened simultaneously so people didn't even realize the world was destroyed and recreated
Perfect so the Goku indexing probably works for Reinhard here then
 
Broskie you spam the "oh, Elsa dodged an explosion without leaving its radius" cap but you find it unbelievable to give the red hair Time Manipulation 😭
its not cap if it happened TWICE 🔥

Reinhard is more of a defense merchant, though i dont think this would be very useful in combat, i am also hesitating because i feel like its more than just that and alludes to how Reid works moreso.


in simpler words, I want a definite conclusion to what Reid is and can do
 
Nvm ignore the Minecraft question because this one is more blatant


DBS Goku does this but its indexed as Unconventional Time Manipulation Non-Combat Applicable

Reinhard did this by destroying the world and recreating it, there is no real basis for the assumption that he manipulated time here.

And besides, that wouldn't make much sense. Did he reverse time? Not possible because he would've just reversed time to fix the problem entirely. Did he accelerate time? Well why would he even do that.
 
its not cap if it happened TWICE 🔥

Reinhard is more of a defense merchant, though i dont think this would be very useful in combat, i am also hesitating because i feel like its more than just that and alludes to how Reid works moreso.


in simpler words, I want a definite conclusion to what Reid is and can do
Reid is stated to be able to rewrite the laws of the world so it's probably really insane at full power.

I would not be shocked if it has the same cutting ability as Reid himself.
 
And besides, that wouldn't make much sense. Did he reverse time? Not possible because he would've just reversed time to fix the problem entirely. Did he accelerate time? Well why would he even do that.
I don't know what you are trying to argue here considering those 2 questions you just asked applies to that video here. Unless you think Goku had a genuine reason to accelerate time or has the ability to rewind time to fix any problem he has.
(Also the whole entire point of the Non Combat Applicable index)

Can easily just be a sub ability under this as Unconventional Time Manipulation (Non Combat Applicable)

there is no real basis for the assumption that he manipulated time here.
The guy turns it from night to daytime. What do you think that ability is?
 
maybe, but i feel like there is more to it, i think its related to Reid's ability to change the core principles of the world or whatever the new tl will give us
Btw it does not matter if it's somehow an ability related to Reid's Law manipulation. You still have to index it as a subset ability


Star and Stripe's entire shtick and only ability is that she is a Law Manipulator yet has 20 different abilities indexed as sub abilities from her Law Manipulation hax.

It's the same thing there. If Reinhard has the ability to change night into daytime due to Reid's ability to change the laws of the world then the sub ability to change night into daytime is Unconventional Time Manipulation. If yall saying he can't use this ability in any meaningful way like @RinneItachi is saying then its Non Combat Applicable. Easy indexing

(The command block from Minecraft also indexes the ability to change night into daytime as Time Manipulation)
 
I don't know what you are trying to argue here considering those 2 questions you just asked applies to that video here. Unless you think Goku had a genuine reason to accelerate time or has the ability to rewind time to fix any problem he has.
(Also the whole entire point of the Non Combat Applicable index)

Can easily just be a sub ability under this as Unconventional Time Manipulation (Non Combat Applicable)


The guy turns it from night to daytime. What do you think that ability is?
Except we have no reason for comparing these completely unrelated scenes lol. Goku did that passively for no apparent reason other than it looking cool.

Restoration explains the feat as-is. He restored the world with the Sun that had been destroyed as a result of his attack, being in a different location.

Wrong. Reinhard destroys the world, cutting reality in two, then restores it instantly, bringing life back to the world with daylight shining down. Which can only logically be explained as him having destroyed the "world" as-in everything and recreating it. Simplifying it as "he changed the time of day" is inaccurate. The time of day changed as a RESULT of his destructive and restorative feats.

Why would him destroying only the super-continent planet and recreating it also somehow involve him moving the Sun or manipulating time for...LITERALLY no reason? Sorry but the argument needs evidence to be considered. He destroyed the Sun and recreated it, that is the baseline, logical interpretation of the feat.
 
could it be that the sun in rz is a literal ball of mana like "stars" thats not actually that far away...
Yes but I find it pretty doubtful. There is, at least, no legitimate evidence of it. The stars in Re:Zero have extreme lore significance and them not being legitimate actual stars is a whole thing. The Sun is never portrayed as anything but its normal self. Tappei has even implied that the moon in Re:Zero is still just the moon.
 
Is it further away than the moon though?
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Actually wait, I think there is credence to the Sun theory. Tappei has previously compared the Sun to Od Laguna, which I always interpreted as just meaning "large thing that can't fight back", but what if the Sun in Re:Zero is a sentient Mana sphere, and the reason Reinhard can "beat" it is because he would just begin to absorb the Mana if he was sent there on some Superman shit.

Insert Albert Einstein and Isaac Newton meme here.
 
Actually wait, I think there is credence to the Sun theory. Tappei has previously compared the Sun to Od Laguna, which I always interpreted as just meaning "large thing that can't fight back", but what if the Sun in Re:Zero is a sentient Mana sphere, and the reason Reinhard can "beat" it is because he would just begin to absorb the Mana if he was sent there on some Superman shit.

Insert Albert Einstein and Isaac Newton meme here.
 
Especially since it would be cut down to 20% of the value by his resistance to magic.
I didn’t read the entire thread so maybe I’m missing context here, but I’m trying to understand your position correctly. If the argument is specifically that Reinhard’s left arm was damaged by “the singularity” itself, then how exactly would the 80% magic resistance interact with that?

Because 20% or even 1% of infinity is still infinity. So if we’re talking about the actual singularity, the point of infinite density/curvature at the center of a black hole, then reducing it by a percentage wouldn’t really change the qualitative result. That’s why I’m a bit confused.
Now if the feat was referring to other parts of the black hole, then the resistance argument would make more sense to me. Like the accretion disk, event horizon effects, etc. Those are finite phenomena, so reducing them by 80% is coherent.
But the narration explicitly says “the singularity had damaged his left arm,” not just “the black hole” generally.

Can anyone explain?
 
I didn’t read the entire thread so maybe I’m missing context here, but I’m trying to understand your position correctly. If the argument is specifically that Reinhard’s left arm was damaged by “the singularity” itself, then how exactly would the 80% magic resistance interact with that?

Because 20% or even 1% of infinity is still infinity. So if we’re talking about the actual singularity, the point of infinite density/curvature at the center of a black hole, then reducing it by a percentage wouldn’t really change the qualitative result. That’s why I’m a bit confused.
Now if the feat was referring to other parts of the black hole, then the resistance argument would make more sense to me. Like the accretion disk, event horizon effects, etc. Those are finite phenomena, so reducing them by 80% is coherent.
But the narration explicitly says “the singularity had damaged his left arm,” not just “the black hole” generally.

Can anyone explain?
His left arm being destroyed automatically makes it clear he doesn't scale to the infinite force of the singularity. We're simply talking about the rest of his body withstanding the force of being near it.
 
His left arm being destroyed automatically makes it clear he doesn't scale to the infinite force of the singularity. We're simply talking about the rest of his body withstanding the force of being near it.
What would even count as scaling to it then? Because this feels like a weird middle ground case. I agree that completely no-selling and effortlessly tanking the singularity would obviously scale directly to the black hole. Reinhard clearly didn’t do that since the narration says the railgun damaged his right arm and the singularity damaged his left arm. But at the same time, he still withstood the attack no? “Destroyed” here obviously isn’t meant in the literal unusable sense, because Reinhard was still physically capable of swinging the Dragon Sword afterwards. You cannot realistically wield and swing a sword if both of your arms are literally non functional or obliterated so the scene itself already implies his body endured the interaction to some extent despite taking severe damage. That’s why I don’t think it’s as simple as “his arm got destroyed therefore he doesn’t scale at all.” It feels more nuanced than that 🤔
 
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Simplifying it as "he changed the time of day" is inaccurate. The time of day changed as a RESULT of his destructive and restorative feats.
If its purely just everything being destroyed and everything being restored then sure its just Restoration

The feat of Reinhard changing the time of day is interesting, I've never really known what to do with it. He does clearly change it from night to day though.
But the way this broskie is describing it is like me hopping onto Minecraft and using the /Time Set Day command 😭
 
Argument 1 is only about the Dragon Sword's durability and scaling from that.

Argument 2 is about Reinhard himself surviving the singularity.
Okay
Regulus' attacks are physically unstoppable as they are removed from time and thus are unaffected by changes around them in the spatial dimension, I don't know how that doesn't translate to infinite force.
Why does being removed from Time result in infinite force suddenly? Because Time is 0 so acceleration becomes infinite and so thus Force?

No, that may be true in real life physics, but not in fiction. Especially with how many characters move and exert force in stopped time or timeless realms, that is just hax, not speed.

We quite literally have an ability page dedicated to it called Physics Manipulation.
That's not what this is though.

The black hole itself is likely within planetary-scale mass, that doesn't change that the singularity itself holds mathematically infinite gravity. No one is saying that Al is High 3-A. This isn't even related to the argument.
That wouldn't translate to infinite force or High 3-A for the singularity. If you have problems with that, make a thread to change our standards.

Yes, I watch Kurzgesagt all the time, this video doesn't contradict my argument though, I am aware of these things. A singularity is not an actual thing or object, but that doesn't change the nature of what it is and how that relates to this discussion.

I know, the infinite gravity thing is more a result of our lack of information, but it is still mathematically accurate and viable for argumentation
Same as above, make a staff thread for it. Our current standards classify all black hole feats as "Black Hole Creation" (in other words, hax) and any rating derived from them is based on calculations unrelated to the singularity's infinite density.
..How. Point 3 is about a literally completely unrelated feat.
From what you wrote in the OP, point 1 and 2 give the sword High 3-A durability. Point 3 gives the dragon high 3-A AP for damaging the sword that supposedly has high 3-A durability.

How exactly is that "unrelated"?

Overall I'm still not seeing any valid argumentation here. The arguments are all relient on either trying to classify hax as high tier AP or basing on theoretical models that our standards do not even accept, at least not in the way you are treating them.
 
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