Re:Zero Kara Hajimeru Isekai Seikatsu Discussion Thread 14

[Celestial_Pegasus]

No not his consciousness, it literally states in the WN that time stops when he tries to say anything about rbd, and yea reversing time is seen as something godly that not even beatrice can do and she can only at best stop time, so yes if she can reverse time she can stop it.

Spatial manipulation also comes from satella but i remember something about reinhard being unable to reach the sage tower, and it was cause of space being warped, so he might not have resistance to that which is odd, reinhards resistance in general seem like you can get around it if you can do aoe hax, like subaru's resets affect him, the whale erasing memories of wilhelm affects him, but pretty sure if you directly used those on him it wouldn't work.

 

[ZERO7772]

I see that make sense

then some hax may affect him but can't directly kill him i guess ? still from where satella have Spatial manipulation again ?

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Satella's miasma warps space so no one can approach the sage tower.

 

[ZERO7772]

Does that mean she can use it as attack technique as well ?

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Warp space so her opponent can't get near her.

 

[ZERO7772]

So she can't use it the same way Regulus can then

btw i don't know but did Regulus mange one hit on Reinhard when they fought ?

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Idk if she can, still haven't seen satella do much so far. Also don't know if regulus managed to hit reinhard besides from when he had reinhard take his attack unguarded. Need arc 5 translations. From what google translate has shown me when i was looking over the chapters seemed to mostly be reinhard attacking regulus and it not working while regulus didn't hit reinhard, and then subs found out his weakness and reinhard checked if his heart was beating.

 

[ZERO7772]

Well Reinhard can't get pass half ass Spatial manipulation satella did while being sealed and from what it seems Regulus never manged a hit so we don't know if Reinhard have Resistance to his ability

Then adding Spatial manipulation to reinhard is Irresponsible imo it's better to take that out unti we get more of Reinhard vs Regulus

 

[ZERO7772]

Btw would Matter manipulation help Reinhard goes pass Regulus defense ?

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Taking it out is fine. No it wouldn't help cause regulus is invulnerable, still don't know exactly how that works but matter manipulation isn't gonna cut it, i think you need to at least be capable to cutting through dimensions.

 

[ZERO7772]

Moving from Reinhard there also this :

"Puck can beat Regulus under some condition or depending on the distance "

what your opinion on this statement ?

 

[Heinkel_Astrea]

If Puck can kill all the wives

Doesn't matter if Satella agrees to be Regulus' wife

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Bs, puck isn't beating a guy who can cut through anything and manipulate physics and is invulnerable. The only way it would be possible is if he knew about regulus's wives and killed them, otherwise he isn't doing anything to regulus, his wives are usually far away from the battlefield, and even if puck killed all his wives he can still use his ability for 5 seconds, he could still one shot puck in those 5 seconds with one attack. This would take some serious prep for puck to pull off.

 

[ZERO7772]

@Heinkel

@Pegasus

can't argue with that , also maybe i got the line little worng seems tappei mentioned Regulus's wives when he talked about the distant between Regulus and puck

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Thing you have to consider is pucks constant absolue zero freezing in his beast of the end form, regulus only has 5 seconds to use his ability without his wives, that freezing could take out regulus if he doesn't immediately one shot puck.

Also about reinhard thinking about it, we should remove most of reinhard's resistance really, the spatial manipulation thing just proved that just cause he can stalemate satella doesn't mean he has resistance to her abilities, giving him resistance is probably too speculative at the moment, we just list what he has displayed so far, resistance to absolute zero, empathetic manipulation, death manipulation, illusions.

 

[ZERO7772]

Well yeah was about to say that , just because he can fight her on equal terms doesn't mean he can counter all of her abilities he can redo the Regulus scenario especially since i think Reinhard have nearly unlimited stamina

The only ones that should remain are the ones who he showed to be able to counter

 

[ZERO7772]

Ah btw the "death manipulation" thing we should add that he can at least revive himself once because he never showed feat beyond that

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Still though with the hax she has, you would think he would need resistance since they could all once shot him guess he makes up with speed and dc against, means jack against a timestop though, just gonna have to wait for now though. With this think his loss to dante will also have to be removed, gonna make a thread about this.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Death manipulation what? You mean resurrection there, for death manipulation he was unaffected by sirius death manipulation, phoenix resurrection already notes it being once and he has already used it.

 

[ZERO7772]

Well some things should automatically be there , for example the mind breaking thing since it's obviously won't work on rei-chan but other stuff can really conversational

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Mind manipulation is a possibility due to sirius being able manipulate emotions and i think possibly minds since liliana had to shield priscilla from sirius's ability though idk, just gonna go with concrete stuff for now.

 

[ZERO7772]

Death manipulation what? You mean resurrection there, for death manipulation he was unaffected by sirius death manipulation, phoenix resurrection already notes it being once and he has already used it.

Sorry i confused them with each other , have to pay more attention to the details

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Actually mind manipulation is probably concrete since reinhard went into the dessert which is filled with satella's miasma that causes insanity and damages souls and he was a ok, just that he couldn't reach the tower so mind manipulation and soul manipulation should stay i think.

 

[ZERO7772]

I think you should really make theard for this , although there little to none beside us that read Re:Zero here so dunno

 

[ZERO7772]

Memory Manipulation

Existence Erasure

BFR

from where did these came ?

also satella's miasma take advantage of people's negative emotions she doesn't automatically drive you insane nothing prove he can counter that , i mean i can swear those things won't effect him but there no proof xD

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Making a thread, again assumptions which i will explain there. Pretty sure her miasma invades minds and degrades souls, that's been said several things, just the sand in the dessert can drive you insane, don't remember anything about negative emotions.

 

[Heinkel_Astrea]

@CP

I think it's because Reinhard cannot pull out his sword while just trying to enter.

If Reinhard pulls out the sword to fight at full power, which is what really allows him to fight Satella, he'll get Spatial Manipulation Resistance to become resistant to her powers. He can't fight her in his base form. And he is always in his base form when not facing an opponent.

 

[ZERO7772]

Though you will go to sleep after shot time xD

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

@Heinkel That makes sense, cause i can't see how reinhard could stalemate satella when she has so much hax and what not, all we have seen so far is just base yes, i think we should go for reallocating those abilities to just with reid then but just have possible resisatnce, no likely resistance to those things

 

[ZERO7772]

@CP
I think it's because Reinhard cannot pull out his sword while just trying to enter.

If Reinhard pulls out the sword to fight at full power, which is what really allows him to fight Satella, he'll get Spatial Manipulation Resistance to become resistant to her powers. He can't fight her in his base form. And he is always in his base form when not facing an opponent.

Well that just assumption nothing proof he can do that , 99% of Reinhard power come from his blessings reid add little to none to his abilities

 

[ZERO7772]

honstely pegasus i think bedside the Spatial manipulation and Existence Erasure reinhard should stay as he is why he have Memory Manipulation in first place ? he was effected by the gluttony ability

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

@Zero We don't even know what he can do with reid, since he usually one shots ppl, if you look at the ridiculously that is satella even with precog, no way in hel reinhard should be able to stalemate her and not have resistances, though maybe we are overestimating satella as well? She has a bunch of abilities from having all the witches abilities, but that's not confirmed yet, although i think it's obvious but still not confirmed.

 

[ZERO7772]

if he had Spatial manipulation he won't need to doge Regulus attacks in the first place , whic is mush more impressive from what Satella did with her manipulation so far which he can't pass by it

we have battles that happend in the canon but you want to go with "what if " battle that we don't know it's details , if you want to add his abilities you have to be the prove it , the bureden of proof is on you like said before xD

it's Irresponsible imo

i also think logicaly none of these BS woud work on him but you can't prove that

in the end it's up to you really i won't complain about anything beside the Spatial manipulation

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

What are you on about, i am trying to remove abilities here not add them. I also think none of them should work on him, but no proof, for now we just remove all the stuff i have been saying and just leave him with what he has shown so far, and the same with satella remove all the other witches abilities since we don't have confirmation that she has them except for sekhmet's.

 

[ZERO7772]

@That my line Pegasus i don't know what you want to do , one moment you want to remove all of his abilities another you says he must have them all "it must be pretty late in your time xD"

Wait she doesn't have them 0_O ?

you're nerfing the verse big time like this , also Reinhard will lose to Dante most likey at this rate

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

What i am proposing is removing stuff like resistance to time stop, transmutation, existence erasure, intangibility, and memory manipulation kept everything else for reinhard, for satella remove all the other witches we have listed for her since it's not confirmed that she has all their abilities, she has only used sekhmets so far.

 

[ZERO7772]

Hmmm well i guess that more responsible for now

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

I will make the thread then

 

[Heinkel_Astrea]

Why do we remove the resistances for Reid Reinhard? Even if Satella doesn't have them, he will still be killed by other Witches if he is without those resistances. That goes against canon.

We may remove the manipulations for Satella but not remove the resistances, as he still retains resistances against other Witches separately.

This goes the same for Satella's resistances, because if she didn't have those resistances, she would not be able to defeat the other Witches.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Reinhard is far superior to the other witches in speed and dc, he would one shot them, satella as well, doesn't mean they have resistances.

Argue it here going to bed.