Re Zero Discussion Thread: Season 3 is Real

[Zabazab]

It's just An Interesting Q&A lowkey the feat he referenced is a travel speed feat, Cecilus wins the race and Reinhard's swing is faster tbh

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Should be done with Arc 7 relatively soon, after which I suppose I will do an arc 7 focused CRT.

Though at this point not sure how big that would be, since portions of stuff has already been applied.

Speaking of that, got to Kafma vs Garfiel recently, it was peak, accelerated development for Garfiel incoming.

 

[VortechsTG]

Should be done with Arc 7 relatively soon, after which I suppose I will do an arc 7 focused CRT.

Though at this point not sure how big that would be, since portions of stuff has already been applied.

Speaking of that, got to Kafma vs Garfiel recently, it was peak, accelerated development for Garfiel incoming.

Garfiel at least should have a whole new key. Arc 7 generally just has a lot less of the characters who have pages on the wiki though.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Idk if I want to touch on an arc 7-8 key for Garfiel till I get caught up, since some stuff is gonna need to be calced ie that feat of Mizeora i think it was, gathering clouds from all of Vollachia...

Thinking about it, probably would be better to just do 1 big CRT for both arcs.

 

[VortechsTG]

Idk if I want to touch on an arc 7-8 key for Garfiel till I get caught up, since some stuff is gonna need to be calced ie that feat of Mizelda i think it was, gathering clouds from all of Vollachia...

Thinking about it, probably would be better to just do 1 big CRT for both arcs.

Garfiel doesn't scale to that feat but he should scale to people like the divine generals and the Wilogy crew. It would definitely be better to wait until you catch up though lol.

 

[VortechsTG]

Now that she has successfully recreated her soul as the Witch of Greed, Spinx can wield the same power as her creator, who possesses all kinds of magical knowledge. If only I could secure the mana for that.

Sphinx may not have ever had enough mana to pull off what Echidna could

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Garfiel doesn't scale to that feat but he should scale to people like the divine generals and the Wilogy crew. It would definitely be better to wait until you catch up though lol.

correct me if i am wrong but didn't he straight up punch all of those clouds away?

 

[VortechsTG]

correct me if i am wrong but didn't he straight up punch all of those clouds away?

He did not. You're gonna have to catch up. He did knock Mezoreia out with that punch though (I think? May be an mtl moment)

 

[Zabazab]

He did not. You're gonna have to catch up. He did knock Mezoreia out with that punch though (I think? May be an mtl moment)

I don't think anyone scales to the gathering of the clouds, since the actual attack towards the capital wasn't moving nearly as fast as the gathering would need to be.

His punch dispersed the gathered clouds beyond the horizon, however (Roughly 6-A+, assuming a 5s timeframe)

Courageous Warrior: [Have a taste of these fists.]

Using all of his strength, without holding back, he pummeled his fist into it.

He pummeled it, and then――,

Courageous Warrior: [Let my amazin’ self hear yer story. ――Just like how Captain ‘n the others once listened to mine.]

As stout arms of silver shot up, they crashed into the dark, cone-shaped clouds of ruin.

That instant, the folded layers of the sky and the spiraling black clouds erupted in an explosion bereft of sound, engulfing the world.

Courageous Warrior: [――――]

The result of the collision, was brought about to a world in which sound had vanished.

Just what sort of conclusion had been incurred, was likely to only take shape after a flicker of light.

Only, the sky that had been birthed beyond the collision, the sky from which the enshrouding black clouds had vanished, was blue.

In the past, a flying dragon rider had bestowed a name upon a lonely dragonkin; and, same as the color of the hair he had lovingly, cherishingly stroked many a time, sky-blue stretched out above, and that was all. —Arc 8, Chapter 55, "Madelyn Eschart"

 

[MasterOwOgay]

 

[VortechsTG]

I don't think anyone scales to the gathering of the clouds, since the actual attack towards the capital wasn't moving nearly as fast as the gathering would need to be.

That's true. Only Mezoreia does and seemingly not in physical stats.

His punch dispersed the gathered clouds beyond the horizon, however (Roughly 6-A+, assuming a 5s timeframe)

This is simply not true. You need to wait for translation to catch up.

 

[Zabazab]

This is simply not true. You need to wait for translation to catch up.

Could you post the relevant scan, then?

 

[VortechsTG]

No. It wouldn't feel right to spoil those chapters even if you wanted me to.

 

[Zabazab]

There is a

Spoiler

spoiler option too

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Ram vs 2B

YorHA No.2B vs Ram both are tier 7A Ram is in her 3rd shackle form speed is equalized starting distance is 100m SBA

vsbattles.com

it was getting painfully slow paced around here so i made this

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Doom vs Oni

Doom vs Ram both are tier 5C speed is equalized Location is the pleideas watchtower SBA

vsbattles.com

and this....

 

[VortechsTG]

Does anyone have a good example of even the low tier fighters being able to detect wind magic or anything else invisible? The best I can find is Elsa but there's no way there aren't examples of less skilled characters dealing with a basic form of magic.

 

[Zabazab]

Does anyone have a good example of even the low tier fighters being able to detect wind magic or anything else invisible? The best I can find is Elsa but there's no way there aren't examples of less skilled characters dealing with a basic form of magic.

Maybe the twins vs the explosion magic in Oni Sisters of the Hidden Village?

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Examples that come to mind are all decently skilled people like Elsa, Garfiel, and Julius.

Explosion magic in Oni Village isn't really scalable? Ram can detect and dodge it due to absurd skill, idk where we would want to scale child Ram in the skill chain, but she has always been a genius. Rem is due to her sense of smell, and we know that is special for Rem.

But I suppose this feat from Jamal could count

After that, when you get to the end, take the right road. That should give you enough time to catch your breath.”
Hearing these instructions, Jamal pondered on them in his head, slowly closed his eye, then re - opened it as he stepped forward.
Jamal: “――Hk.”
As soon as he stepped out of the alley, a single arrows, clad in a gale, pierced toward Jamal.
Jamal responded to it with amazing reflexes, and cut it off with a clash of his twin swords. The impact bounced onto Jamal’s wrist, and his clenched teeth chattered as he laughed like a rabid dog.
The sensation of blood burning, heart leaping, and life boiling, overtook Jamal.

His extreme concentration made the world ******, and he felt as if he could feel every drop of sweat that ran down his skin, every grain of sand that flew around, and even the existence of air that should have been invisible.
Jamal: “――Hahaa!”
One after another, a storm of arrows poured down like a deluge.
Stepping on the ground, swinging his sword as if dancing, slicing the arrows and striking them down.
What ensued was a sword dance, the sword dance of Jamal Aurélie.-Arc 7, Chapter 27

This is actually good, he can sense/feel every grain of sand around him, and even air which is invisible.

Also again a feat of warriors slowing down their perception of time, it's absurdly consistent, no wonder Cecilus perception is insane, when even fodder have these sorts of feats.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Examples that come to mind are all decently skilled people like Elsa, Garfiel, and Julius.

Explosion magic in Oni Village isn't really scalable? Ram can detect and dodge it due to absurd skill, idk where we would want to scale child Ram in the skill chain, but she has always been a genius. Rem is due to her sense of smell, and we know that is special for Rem.

But I suppose this feat from Jamal could count



This is actually good, he can sense/feel every grain of sand around him, and even air which is invisible.

Also again a feat of warriors slowing down their perception of time, it's absurdly consistent, no wonder Cecilus perception is insane, when even fodder have these sorts of feats.

I propose updating everybody's intelligence section and also adding stuff from arc 7 and 8 into the skill blog (after arc 8 is over obviously, but we should start now because it almost is anyway and it would take us time to grab everything).

Also, Doom is on the same level as Ram skill-wise and he is EG while Ram is just Genius
Moreover the description of Genius intelligence is:

Genius: Individuals with an exceptional capacity for knowledge and intelligence, usually in one area of varying depth. This level of intellect is the level of real-world geniuses, polymaths, and genuinely extremely prominent intellectuals, and, in the absence of better feats, should be the default intelligence category for fictional characters with exceptional or superhuman intelligence

I dont think there are real life people who could replicate a complex technique that took over a lifelong of research and practice to master by just "witnessing" it once like Ram did with the invisible blades
Because of those reasons, I suggest Ram be upgraded to EG

 

[Zabazab]

Empire arc is a genuine treaure-trove of feats and worldbuilding.

I dont think there are real life people who could replicate a complex technique that took over a lifelong of research and practice to master by just "witnessing" it once like Ram did with the invisible blades
Because of those reasons, I suggest Ram be upgraded to EG

Meh, I'm still very unsure of that. It took Ceci & Roswaal to do genuinely bullshit feats in order to get that rating for high-up Warriors & Magicians.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Empire arc is a genuine treaure-trove of feats and worldbuilding.


Meh, I'm still very unsure of that. It took Ceci & Roswaal to do genuinely bullshit feats in order to get that rating for high-up Warriors & Magicians.

i mean if other verses get EG for much lesser feats then i think the same should be applicable for every verse including rz
(even though after seeing the justification for gifted intelligence on code's profile, I am just straight up skeptical of the accuracy of that section entirely)

 

[Zabazab]

i mean if other verses get EG for much lesser feats then i think the same should be applicable for every verse including rz
(even though after seeing the justification for gifted intelligence on code's profile, I am just straight up skeptical of the accuracy of that section entirely)

I think one of the common indexing issues on the wiki is overrating intelligence ratings, requirements for some have even been edited recently in order to make them harder to qualify for.

While I have intelligence on the mind, I gotta remember that Echidna needs "Nigh-Omniscient with the Memories of the World" added.

 

[TheHeavenlySword]

Shaula just casually crossed 10km with a single jump

she turned her back to Julius and others. Seeing her knees slightly bent, alarms went off in Julius’ mind.

The impact just now proved that she jumped here from an unknown place. No, it's not that where she jumped form is unknown. In this situation, her starting point is obvious.

She jumped from the destination of their journey, the Pleiades Watchtower.

Julius Juukulius' Promise Keeping Notebook III​

 

[Zabazab]

Shaula just casually crossed 10km with a single jump

She really is monstrous, it's shocking someone managed to kill her humanoid form during Tower of the Dead.

 

[TheHeavenlySword]

She really is monstrous, it's shocking someone managed to kill her humanoid form during Tower of the Dead.

I think Shaula really need some renovation on her Intelligence section, she easily defeated Garfiel in hand to hand combat and can even force Reid to use both of his hands 1/10 times, also I don't really see why she's not a user of the flow method

 

[Zabazab]

Also I don't really see why she's not a user of the flow method

I think it's due to the chance that the superhuman strength is just due to her being a Witchbeast.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

I think it's due to the chance that the superhuman strength is just due to her being a Witchbeast.

it would still require some S tier skill to force Reid to use both his hands, i would put her right around wilhelm's level of skill tbh (since anybody below Sword Saint level cant even contend with them even with an eternity of training)

 

[Vuituru]

Does anyone have a good example of even the low tier fighters being able to detect wind magic or anything else invisible? The best I can find is Elsa but there's no way there aren't examples of less skilled characters dealing with a basic form of magic.

Subaru in arc 6, during his encounter with the centaur, mentions the wind magic that builds up in Ram's wand as she points it at him.

 

[Vuituru]

hey, why all the mid tiers are scaling with the Rowan feat?? he's not the top of this tier? which would indicate that the vast majority of others in the same tier are not of that level?

 

[Zabazab]

hey, why all the mid tiers are scaling with the Rowan feat?? he's not the top of this tier? which would indicate that the vast majority of others in the same tier are not of that level?

Because Rowan is the middest mid that was ever mid. He sucks. He's a nobody. He'd go high-diff with Heinkel. Pre-Arc 4 Garfiel would defeat him in a single punch.

 

[Vuituru]

Because Rowan is the middest mid that was ever mid. He sucks. He's a nobody. He'd go high-diff with Heinkel. Pre-Arc 4 Garfiel would defeat him in a single punch.

Is this really that? I really don't think so, I mean, at least I didn't interpret it that way, in my mind he was the top of the tier, like Garfiel pre arc 7 had never done anything at that level.

and I remember Heinkel thinking he was a monster in terms of skill.

 

[Zabazab]

Is this really that? I really don't think so, I mean, at least I didn't interpret it that way, in my mind he was the top of the tier, like Garfiel pre arc 7 had never done anything at that level.

Rowan is just mid. He's the apex of the common man. Neither strong nor weak.

In the midst of a chat between Arakiya and Cecilus, who were the defeated and the victor respectively, a conversation taking place in a vast field reduced to a scorched plot, the latter had sliced open the clouds with his katana, a technique he had purported as being nothing but something for show.

In reality, Cecilus had thought it held no utility other than for surprising people; having witnessed it first-hand, Arakiya too evaluated that as a skill devoid of any useful purpose whatsoever.

That, was the divine miracle of empty sky that Rowan Segmunt had spent his lifetime devising―― for those who were transcendent monsters, it was worthy of naught more than being dubbed a flashy performance.

That was to say――,

It was simply that Rowan had never met someone who would inform him of his current position, nor had he met someone who could boost him up from his current position.

The reason he had been able to avoid Iris’s initial attack from the Crystal Palace was because she, adverse to the deaths of others as she was, had had no intention of landing the attack.

The reason for which the undead Balleroy Temeglyph had fled from the “cloud-cutting” technique was because he feared an unexpected counterattack from Cecilus Segmunt; thus, he had wished to avoid pursuing them too far.

The reason he had remained safe until now, amidst the Great Disaster brought about by the hosts of undead, was because the only ones that had appeared before him were opponents his sword skills were perfectly capable of handling.

The reason for which Rowan had not been dispossessed of his life by Cecilus Segmunt, the latter refusing the former’s attempt at instigating the assassination of the Empire, was because the latter had said “It may be impossible Dad, but get really strong then come back here and fight me, I’ve got a feeling that a development like that’d be heated!” on a whim.

The reason why Rowan Segmunt had continuously escaped death till this day, was none other than the scales of fortune and misfortune always tipping in the direction of fortune for him.

And now, the opponent Rowan had encountered in the Imperial Capital, which had transformed into the Undead Capital, was also the sole enemy that had no intention of taking Rowan’s life.

――The world would not grant Rowan’s wish, but it continued to only illuminate the paths where he would survive.

Rowan: [――Cloud-cutting.]

With the blade being unsheathed, a flash of the sword was unleashed; Iris, standing motionlessly, faced it head-on.

The air present ahead was cut down by the flash, the foliage interrupting the path were cut down by the flash, all notions of sound and wind were consigned to oblivion; in all his life until now, it was the most honed Rowan’s blade had ever been.

And the woman in the beautiful dress, Iris, would have her head lopped――,

Iris: [――This is as far as it goes.]

By merely tilting her head, she avoided the finest brandish of Rowan’s life, and grumbling those words like a sigh, Iris firmly stepped on the ground, and moved forth.

The ultimate existence of the Great Disaster, did not grant Rowan the time to swing his sword a second time.

Iris: [While you are still with your life, you must leave the Imperial Capital.]

Those words were to be spoken at the outset to the weak; spoken only at the end of a duel to the death were the opponent strong.

As an opponent to whom these statements ought be given, Rowan was a terribly troublesome person. ――He was not weak. Yet, neither was he strong. If she was forced to put it to words, he would be the apex of the common man.

Thus, in regards to the reality spread throughout the Imperial Capital as it was in the moment, his presence could even be called a sin.

 

[Vuituru]

Rowan is just mid. He's the apex of the common man. Neither strong nor weak.

fair enough. although I still think the "apex of the common man" could still be interpreted as him being the top of the mid tier.

but yes, I see how that could just say he is the mid of the mid.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

fair enough. although I still think the "apex of the common man" could still be interpreted as him being the top of the mid tier.

but yes, I see how that could just say he is the mid of the mid.

Emilia, Garfiel and Ram are in the mid tier and they are NOT at all weaker than "the apex of the common man"
Literally all 3 solo him negative diff
Heck Emilia could handle 10 of buffed Rowans at once

 

[Vuituru]

Emilia, Garfiel and Ram are in the mid tier and they are NOT at all weaker than "the apex of the common man"
Literally all 3 solo him negative diff
Heck Emilia could handle 10 of buffed Rowans at once

fair lol

but is the emilia arc 7/8 really mid tier?? I think she's more of a low high tier...

 

[Zabazab]

I think Satella's/Witch of Envy's profile images should probably be replaced by official art now, right? The Light Novel, Anime, and particularly the Manga now has plenty of official art for them.

 

[Fezzih_007]

I think Satella's/Witch of Envy's profile images should probably be replaced by official art now, right? The Light Novel, Anime, and particularly the Manga now has plenty of official art for them.

Yeah probally.
I think the current image kinda sucks, with being used for both Satella and WoE, instead of being separated.

 

[VortechsTG]

I cannot for the life of me find the scan for Sirius buffing her authority with singing. Does someone have it on hand?

 

[Vuituru]

hey, was reading volume 21, and the moment subaru goes to the green room for the first time he concentrates a little and is able to sense mana in the environment, and even tell what it was being used for.

and as I didn't see anything on his profile I think it could be something interesting to add but I don't know for sure if this scales with someone, apparently it is something he is capable of doing bc he's a user of spiritual arts, although he is capable of do away from Beatrice.