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Still curious what everyone has to say about the fact there were stars in the background while the reset was going on.
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Which reset are you talking about?Still curious what everyone has to say about the fact there were stars in the background while the reset was going on.
It's still uni+. The grand stars are stated to be able to collapse and recreate the universe and bowser sat on top of the reactor that threatened space and time.This is a "just in case" for if the Uni+ feat isn't actually uni+ due to stars being seen in the background while it happens. I don't know if that necessarily disproves it as a feat, because the Japanese version still does say the new universe stuff and Bowser mourning over his universe right before the feat.
Ok, how is it wrong? Just provide evidence please, for once.Believe me, I would absolutely accept universal Mario if it wasn't so questionable. You think that the stuff I'm saying about Mario supporters is just petty insults? Because it is that, but it's also to highlight that Mario fans have a tendency to blow things out of proportion for the sake of having a stronger verse. Almost every Mario versus thread I've been in argues that Mario characters lead with hax, which is blatantly wrong with Dimentio's mindhax being the sole exception.
Appeal to motive. Instead of providing evidence as to why it's not legit, you focus on the motives of Mario supporters? Personally, I don't think you're arguing in good faith at all, especially considering the arguments you have made recently and your history of the series on this site, so I don't think you should be talking about Mario fans.I expect Mario fans to bend the truth to their benefit at this point, because I've seen it so many times before. There are powerful things about Mario that I genuinely believe in, like Mario's fatehax, because it's explained well. I don't just blindly hate Mario.
Don't you get it? I think like this due to how long I've been here. I have experience with Mario fans, and I've seen things like that time and time again. "Bowser leads with transmuting people into bricks", "Bowser leads with sealing", "Mario wins via variety", all followed by 6 FRAs. In my time on this wiki I have rarely had a positive experience discussing the Mario series.Personally, I don't think you're arguing in good faith at all, especially considering the arguments you have made recently and your history of the series on this site, so I don't think you should be talking about Mario fans.
So... you're just gonna say Mario fans say "x" and not why it's wrong? Are we just gonna make more claims with 0 evidence at this point? Not to mention you've been blatantly against the series for a while now, and I haven't seen a single good point you've made during that time.Don't you get it? I think like this due to how long I've been here. I have experience with Mario fans, and I've seen things like that time and time again. "Bowser leads with transmuting people into bricks", "Bowser leads with sealing", "Mario wins via variety", all followed by 6 FRAs. In my time on this wiki I have rarely had a positive experience discussing the Mario series.
“Likely” like our profiles use or should it be changed to possibly?Yeah, honestly there's definitely enough universal Mario stuff for a "Possibly" (Wario series and regular Mario series being separate is really, really dumb).
Probably the latter because the Prima Guides are really iffy.“Likely” like our profiles use or should it be changed to possibly?
It's an english-only guide that most of the people who actually wrote for Super Mario Galaxy couldn't have possibly read.I don't see why. Y'all keep saying that but nothing has been brought up to discredit it.
You guys act like Nintendo has no translators. Stop using this terrible logic. You can straight up dismiss the credibility of all English translations with thisIt's an english-only guide that most of the people who actually wrote for Super Mario Galaxy couldn't have possibly read.
If the writers for SMG were fluent in English, there wouldn't have been any need for a localization team.
To be fair, the English translations are different from the actual direct Japanese versions so the translators clearly aren't perfect.You guys act like Nintendo has no translators. Stop using this terrible logic. You can straight up dismiss the credibility of all English translations with this
They both refer to the same idea of the Universe being destroyed. That is not an argument, and if you're referring to DragonLord's translations, then it's just him nitpicking what's said in the Japanese so that they don't scale. He doesn't even have a confirmation if it refers to something different or not, all he can make is theories. So the English stuff is valid regardless.To be fair, the English translations are different from the actual direct Japanese versions so the translators clearly aren't perfect.
We do count English stuff as long as it's not contradicted by the Japanese version. You guys have not provided solid evidence that it's a mistranslation, all of what's said in Japanese could match the same as the one in English. This applies to any other Japanese video game on this site. Zelda, Sonic, Pokemon, all of them use English translations as main sources.We don't count English stuff for anything unless it was made in an English speaking country you understand, right? SAO just got nerfed to hell and back because of a mistranslation, the original Japanese version is our gospel in versus debating.
Ok, let's make sure ALL Japanese video game verses get downgraded because of a lack of evidence that the Japanese writers looked over the English translations. This is what i mean by you not arguing in good faith, all of this could be applied to most of the site. Why do it for one when you can do it for all of them? It's just blatant bias against Mario at this point.A mistranslation? Do we even have any evidence anyone from Japan looked over the Prima Guides? As far as we know a marketing team in America who don't care about the story of Super Mario Galaxy at all looked it over.
The burden is on you to prove the Japanese writers looked it over, because it's impossible to prove they didn't.
Most series get their stuff from the Japanese version. Even my personal favorite verse, Azure Striker Gunvolt, was hit with a huge nerf because of a mistranslation. We use the Japanese version for Japanese media, end of story.Ok, let's make sure ALL Japanese video game verses get downgraded because of a lack of evidence that the Japanese writers looked over the English translations. This is what i mean by you not arguing in good faith, all of this could be applied to most of the site. Why do it for one when you can do it for all of them? It's just blatant bias against Mario at this point.
Bro. Where is the mistranslation in the Japanese version? The English does not contradict anything in Mario. Prove that they couldn't possibly mean universal destruction.Most series get their stuff from the Japanese version. Even my personal favorite verse, Azure Striker Gunvolt, was hit with a huge nerf because of a mistranslation. We use the Japanese version for Japanese media, end of story.
English didn't contradict anything in Gunvolt either. In English, someone said their power increased a hundredfold, while in Japan she vaguely said she was stronger. English doesn't contradict anything, but Gunvolt still got nerfed.Bro. Where is the mistranslation in the Japanese version? The English does not contradict anything in Mario.
Bowser said he was gonna use the reactor to create a core for his new universe, which is also supported by the fact that Power Stars can create entire universes in 64, and the Grand Star is far superior. So the idea that Bowser will collapse and recreate the universe works. You need evidence to support the idea that there was no universal destruction, because there's already evidence even in the Japanese that supports it. In gunvolt's case, where's the evidence that supports their power becoming hundredfold?English didn't contradict anything in Gunvolt either. In English, someone said their power increased a hundredfold, while in Japan she vaguely said she was stronger. English doesn't contradict anything, but Gunvolt still got nerfed.
If I'm using this logic for my favorite verse of all time, then I am not merely being biased against Mario here.
Yes please, maybe it'll stop the bickering.Perhaps we can get a translation from a third party that doesn’t have a horse in this race? If it’ll satisfy everyone
It doesn't. It just says the reactor will become the core of his new universe. And I didn't even mistranslate this either, this is straight up what he had. I never translated anything.Dragon's Japanese translation says otherwise. Also, while you can say "Oh, Dragon purposefully mistranslated to make it sound worse", how can I be certain you didn't purposefully mistranslate it to make it sound better?
Bowser had a grand plan which was the Grand Star thing IIRC. Why utilise the Grand Stars for generating dark matter and galaxies as shown in the names of the levels if his true goal was to... not even use them at all??? We saw that the Grand Star being plucked from the Reactor literally caused a Uni+ event so why is it being used to create a new universe somehow more unbelievable than these roundabout assumptions you're trying to make to explain it as something it clearly is not? Everything goes against the assumption it's just him wanting to expand the empire and rule. The English parallel, which you didn't acknowledge, yet again states a creation feat, further supporting that line in Japanese meaning creation along with all the other evidence in support. You literally have nothing but your own beliefs here.
Except all those is based on your translation.In terms of Mario, there's multiple statements that support Uni+. Bowser being able to collapse and recreate the universe, "the blast that threatens the very fabric of the universe", making a core for the new universe in the Japanese, power stars creating universes, the visuals of the end of Galaxy, etc.
I just told you i don't have a translation. I just used the stuff in English and Dragon's translation.Except all those is based on your translation.