Randall Flagg versus Freddy Krueger

[Promestein]

Randall Flagg and Freddy Krueger, fighting in the Dreamworld (so of course this is Dreamworld Freddy).

Speed is equalized. They start in the Dreamworld. Victory through death, incapacitation, etcetera.

Randall: 7

Freddy:

Inconclusive:

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

I can only assume the high 1-B hax for randall is restricted

Anyhow, even without the Black thirteen, Randall has tier 2 mindhax which is out of Freddy's ability to resist.

 

[Promestein]

Black Thirteen is explicitly noted to not be standard equipment on Flagg's page. He doesn't have it.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Yeah, so I assumed. Even so, I don't think Freddy resists mindhax on Randall's level, but I couuld be wrong.

 

[Promestein]

Is it Tier 2? Like, controlling a higher being?

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

I was reffering to this

"Can send people visions which are capable of driving them insane, including a vision of the birth of a universe and its place within the grander scale of the multiverse"

 

[Promestein]

I doooon't think that's Tier 2? Freddy doesn't have resistances anyways

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

I was asking because I don't think Randall can actually kill freddy, just incap him

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

You're going to have to ask someone else whether or not that counts as "Tier 2 mindhax", because I certainly never assumed that much.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Even if it doesen't, Randall has other non lethal ways to effect Krueger, although he definitely can't kill him.

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

I mean, yeah. I was never denying that.

All I'm saying is that "Tier 2 mindhax" isn't something I'm cosigning until someone else can confirm that what he did counts as such.

 

[Promestein]

Could Flagg pull Freddy out of the dreamworld?

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Without Black 13, probably not, but I'm not sure.

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

Actually, yeah. He could.

I need to relocate the scans I had, but he has feats of using dream manipulation inside of a dreamscape (specifically, a lucid dream of Roland's), and when Alain entered said dreamscape, Flagg used his powers to send him back out.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

To be fair, freddy would win if he started by using timehax, but that's a pretty ******* big if

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

Yeah, I don't think Flagg has an answer to that. The closest he came to escaping a time loop was the time he escaped a "fistula in time" that the Crimson King created in order to prolong the night him and Roland spoke at the Golgotha at the end of The Gunslinger. Which isn't the same thing.

But, that's one option out of several, and sadly, it's not one of the ones Freddy is known to abuse. (Not that I can remember, anyway)

 

[Promestein]

Yeah, it's not. He just used it in the fourth movie, I think, to stop intervention when he was turning someone into a cockroach.

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

I figured that was the only time. It's been a long time since I've watched any of the NoES films besides the first, so my memory of things isn't as clear as it could be.

But yeah. Flagg has plenty of ways to win, is much more serious in a fight than Freddy is when starting off, and can circumvent some of the latter's powers with his own. Voting him.

 

[Promestein]

Bump.

 

[Promestein]

Bump again.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I mean

Freddy, as said above, could win with time stuff but I don't remember any instance of using it outside of the fourth movie, so I guess Flagg FRA.

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

I believe that's two for Flagg now.

 

[DMUA]

Randall says "Welcome to my world" for reasons above

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

I vote randall as well

 

[Elizhaa]

I am voting for Randall FRA

 

[Promestein]

Just for the record, I doubt Randall could permanently kill Freddy in the real world; he'll still come back, even if it takes longer. Maybe he can incapacitate him long enough for it to count.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Oh I have no doubt that Randall cannot kill Freddy. Incap is his only option.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Randall incapacitates Freddy fra.

 

[The_Archdemon]

Flagg FRA

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

I believe that puts us at 7 votes.

Grace starts now.

 

[The_Archdemon]

Isn't it unanimous?

 

[DMUA]

Yes

We recently had a thread to out instaeditions, even if it's unanimous

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

^Yeah, what he said.

 

[The_Archdemon]

Oops hue

 

[Promestein]

Looks like one actually waits for these grace periods since it's already added. Reverting that.

 

[Promestein]

Adding this.