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Raimi Spiderman Revision
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But if it was already shown in the same movie that it did not cause destruction around it, it only emitted a green light that pulverized humans.
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I calced it by cube lawing Eddy to Venom as KLOL suggested (At least I think that's what he meant), and then cutting it in half because hollowness.
And then I just copied Fan's human vape calc and the old Eddy vape calc but using big boy Venom values. Got 8-C. Almost e x a c t l y the same as the other Pumpkin bomb calc.
And then I just copied Fan's human vape calc and the old Eddy vape calc but using big boy Venom values. Got 8-C. Almost e x a c t l y the same as the other Pumpkin bomb calc.
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If/when its accepted just swap up the old Pumpkin bomb calc for 8-C with the new one.
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We moved away from that a while later, because only novel mentions the concussive force.
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Don't tell me you also accounted the Symbiote having proteins and fats and whatnot, because a Symbiote shouldn't have any of that other stuff, like the bones and organs and stuff.
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I did, it's that or randomly guess how much of it is water, carbs, minerals, and what not. Kinda can't due to that with just guessing completely. Besides, that's what the calc we're using right now basically does, just assumes Venom is another human, but if it's really that much an issue.
Alternatively, assuming tar mass and heat capacity instead of all that other shit, still gets 8-C, to be exact, 0.28 for total yield.
Don't think it'd drop below 8-C no matter what you do really.
Alternatively, assuming tar mass and heat capacity instead of all that other shit, still gets 8-C, to be exact, 0.28 for total yield.
Don't think it'd drop below 8-C no matter what you do really.
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Aight, when you are ready, upload the blog and I'll check to see if it's fine.
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Chariot190/sandbox89
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Sandbox first so any mistakes can be fixed before hand.
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Temperature change should be lowered to 945.22 degrees celsius. Because crematoriums use 1400 to 1800 degrees F, the highest, 1800 degrees F, is 982.22 degrees celsius.Chariot190/sandbox89
Sandbox first so any mistakes can be fixed before hand.
Which means the calc value might get a little bit lowered.
Also take the average between 1.85 and 3.9.
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I'm just going by what the Fan of RPG and old Eddy calc said. 
He claims it's 1343.5°C
If true our common feat human vape calc needs to be changed.
He claims it's 1343.5°C
If true our common feat human vape calc needs to be changed.
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WTF
He screwed up the math for temperature change.
982.22-37 is a change of 945.22 degrees C.
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Yare yare, I'll redo all three with that change instead, common, eddy and venom.
(Unless you find a instant change value, Ill use that instead for the latter two).
(Unless you find a instant change value, Ill use that instead for the latter two).
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Chariot190/sandbox89
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Bad news is low end is 9-A+, good news is high end is 8-C.
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You screwed up on Eddie, you forgot to account for latent heat of water. Also heat capacity of water is 4182 J/kg according to wikipedia.Chariot190/sandbox89
Bad news is low end is 9-A+, good news is high end is 8-C.
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Again, just following the old calcs.
(Actually how the **** did the old calcs ever get accepted, there seems to be a handful of issues).
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We replaced them with updated and corrected versions years ago.
Corrected versions are on our References for Common Feats page. Granted there are some slight corrections needed there due to the additional decimal being added in the 945.22 celsius section in the temperature part for vaping but it's a relatively easy fix and would only ever so slightly change our current yield without changing anything.
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I'm still hesitant to just use tar's heat capacity for the symbiote. Even on its own the symbiote seems far more durable than a human being.
We could use human body specific heat capacity for the symbiote as a low-ball, 3470 J/kg. Granted this is a low ball because it doesn't account for latent heat of vaporization, whereas with normal human bodies we can at least use latent heat of water to add it on to the specific heat and easily go composition by composition for a more accurate result (Even that's a low-ball because we have no idea about the latent heat of the other compositions).
We could use human body specific heat capacity for the symbiote as a low-ball, 3470 J/kg. Granted this is a low ball because it doesn't account for latent heat of vaporization, whereas with normal human bodies we can at least use latent heat of water to add it on to the specific heat and easily go composition by composition for a more accurate result (Even that's a low-ball because we have no idea about the latent heat of the other compositions).
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I'm fine with whatever at this point. Assuming 289kg instead of 300 or whatever, given we're going with human values instead of tar.
(289.385kg)(3470j/kg)(945.22 temp change) = 949157739.259 joules, 0.2269 tons.
949157739.259 + 252449833.55 (eddy 2) = 1201607572.809, 0.2872 tons, 8-C.
Are we finally free
(289.385kg)(3470j/kg)(945.22 temp change) = 949157739.259 joules, 0.2269 tons.
949157739.259 + 252449833.55 (eddy 2) = 1201607572.809, 0.2872 tons, 8-C.
Are we finally free
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Eddie needs a change. He'd actually require 334 megajoules, and by my pixel-scaling, the symbiote is a bit smaller, 3.25-3.26 m tall. Maybe issues with paint.net tho, not certain yet. You need to add both the latent heat and specific heat.I'm fine with whatever at this point. Assuming 289kg instead of 300 or whatever, given we're going with human values instead of tar.
(289.385kg)(3470j/kg)(945.22 temp change) = 949157739.259 joules, 0.2269 tons.
949157739.259 + 252449833.55 (eddy 2) = 1201607572.809, 0.2872 tons, 8-C.
Are we finally free
Might nerf the Symbiote's size and its death a bit.
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Well this is what I've ultimately landed on.
Though we might be scaling slightly different frames, could be why there's a slight variance, I tried to get a shot right before the bomb went off, it'd be a tiny bit of a low end either way as the bottom of Venom is cut off so we're not actually getting its full height, if that matters at all.
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I used the same frame as you, though to be fair, neither of us got the full size of the symbiote in the picture.Chariot190/sandbox89
Well this is what I've ultimately landed on.
Though we might be scaling slightly different frames, could be why there's a slight variance, I tried to get a shot right before the bomb went off, it'd be a tiny bit of a low end either way as the bottom of Venom is cut off so we're not actually getting its full height, if that matters at all.
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Could be a issue on my end maybe? This is a new PC, only a day old, and paint is a bit ***** on this one? Definitely could've ****** up some pixels, but I did copy what the pixels said in the program for the lines so I'm not sure where the discrepancy could be coming from.
(Hell I'm pretty sure I overcompensated on the Eddy scaling on my end just to be safe so I didn't overinflate Venom's height).
(Hell I'm pretty sure I overcompensated on the Eddy scaling on my end just to be safe so I didn't overinflate Venom's height).
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Actually, I think we can assume the symbiote to be 14ft 4-and-a-quarter in (4.37515 m) tall, as in the shot where the Symbiote grows monstrously big, there is an I-beam marked 14ft 4-and-a-quarter inches right beside it, the Symbiote grows much, much bigger than that right before Spidey clangs the sound cage, and by the time the bomb blows up and both the Symbiote and Eddie die, the Symbiote is rightly level with the I-beam beside it.
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So redo it again but with 4.3688 height?
If so, I'll do that.
If so, I'll do that.
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4.37515 m, since the i-beam is marked 14' 4 1/4" or 14 ft 4.25 in, which is 4.37515 m.
Proof that the I-beam is situated at 14ft 4 and a quarter in here
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Wait, what if that's the length of it, not how high it is?
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No, that's the height, not the length. It's most definitely ceiling height as far as I can tell. It'd line up with a storey being 4.3 m tall on average according to wikipedia.
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Well in that case, I'll do.
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So to my understanding the pumpkin bomb vaporizing 6 people won't scale to spidey, can we add a note on the profiles for this so people know why characters don't scale?
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Ok so, assuming Venom is 4.37515m.
Square-Cube law says that when an object undergoes a proportional increase in size, its new volume is proportional to the cube of the multiplier.
4.37515/1.8m (Eddy) = 2.4306388888888889.
2.4306388888888889^3=14.3602277008857812326 increase.
71000cc (Eddy/Human) x 14.3602277008857812326 = 1019576.1667628904675146cc, halved for 50% hollowness, 509788.0833814452337573cc, or about 509.788kg assuming flesh and stuff.
Heat capacity of the human body is 3470j/kg, we'll treat Venom as flesh in this case.
(509.788kg) * (3470j/kg) * (945.22 temp change) = 1672060492.3592 joules, 0.3996 tons.
1672060492.3592 + 334697866.55 (Eddy value) = 2006758358.9092, 0.4796 tons, 8-C.
Is this it, is THIS the final number?
Square-Cube law says that when an object undergoes a proportional increase in size, its new volume is proportional to the cube of the multiplier.
4.37515/1.8m (Eddy) = 2.4306388888888889.
2.4306388888888889^3=14.3602277008857812326 increase.
71000cc (Eddy/Human) x 14.3602277008857812326 = 1019576.1667628904675146cc, halved for 50% hollowness, 509788.0833814452337573cc, or about 509.788kg assuming flesh and stuff.
Heat capacity of the human body is 3470j/kg, we'll treat Venom as flesh in this case.
(509.788kg) * (3470j/kg) * (945.22 temp change) = 1672060492.3592 joules, 0.3996 tons.
1672060492.3592 + 334697866.55 (Eddy value) = 2006758358.9092, 0.4796 tons, 8-C.
Is this it, is THIS the final number?
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KLOL I'm going to die.
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