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Ragyō Kiryüin vs Raiden (Metal Gear)
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Leaning a bit towards Ragyo. The HF Blade could bypass her regen... although I am curious if it'll be more effective than the Scissor Blades, which were supposed to negate life fiber regen and Ragyo no sold those multiple times since its discussed above so leaning towards her being likely to be able to heal better than Raiden could cut her. At the same time, she has her mental stitching so she can just use that on Raiden.
Best Mom gets my vote honestly
Best Mom gets my vote honestly
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Plus the HF blade would have to deal with not only going against her Small island Dura, which in the profile is shown to not be that way solely due to regen. and also said regen.
Plus heres the thing....combat wise and reaction wise he is much faster, but Ragyo's travel speed is massively Hyper compared to his high hyper+. So I could see her flying away into the air to try and use her mental refitting at a safe distance. Which he has no established resistance to.
Plus heres the thing....combat wise and reaction wise he is much faster, but Ragyo's travel speed is massively Hyper compared to his high hyper+. So I could see her flying away into the air to try and use her mental refitting at a safe distance. Which he has no established resistance to.
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Thing is that this isn't a battle of stats. Raiden is faster and has Durability Negation. That's what evens this out a little.
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Except not when he's like bajillions of mach faster than her, she can't. The moment she thinks about flying away she's already cut to pieces if he can do so. Also she's hardly getting him with Mental Refitting when he's that much faster.
The question of the match is whether she can regenerate from being cut at a molecular level and eventually wreck Raiden or whether she can't and gets cut to pieces, end of history.
To be fair, I'm not sure if we can assume for sure that it would lose the regen properties... But we can't assume for sure that life fibers have Regenerationn at a molecular level unless they have displayed such a resistance, regen level.
So kinda sorta uncertain.
The question of the match is whether she can regenerate from being cut at a molecular level and eventually wreck Raiden or whether she can't and gets cut to pieces, end of history.
To be fair, I'm not sure if we can assume for sure that it would lose the regen properties... But we can't assume for sure that life fibers have Regenerationn at a molecular level unless they have displayed such a resistance, regen level.
So kinda sorta uncertain.
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Raiden's only around 10x faster than her. Yeah he's got a considerable advantage and likely enough to blitz but it's not like she's fighting someone with speed "bajillions" greater than her or going against the Flash.
If Raiden can atomize people Saint Seiya style or reduce their bodies down to a molecular scale, then yeah she wouldn't regenerate. But if he simply uses his molecular stuff to negate durability, then use that negation to cut off her arm, Ragyo should be able to grow back that arm.
However I have not gotten a very clear explanation as to exactly how his blade works, and it does say that it negates dura "to an extent" like Aqua said.
And almost everyone has forgotten that Ragyo can also negate Raiden's durability and instantly win with Mental Refitting, which his profile mentions no way of resisting.
But again I feel that this is most likely an odd match with no fair outcome on either side. If Raiden can fully negate durability and reduce things molecularly, he'll use his speed and that to stomp. If not then Ragyo will oneshot/use Mental Refitting to stomp.
If Raiden can atomize people Saint Seiya style or reduce their bodies down to a molecular scale, then yeah she wouldn't regenerate. But if he simply uses his molecular stuff to negate durability, then use that negation to cut off her arm, Ragyo should be able to grow back that arm.
However I have not gotten a very clear explanation as to exactly how his blade works, and it does say that it negates dura "to an extent" like Aqua said.
And almost everyone has forgotten that Ragyo can also negate Raiden's durability and instantly win with Mental Refitting, which his profile mentions no way of resisting.
But again I feel that this is most likely an odd match with no fair outcome on either side. If Raiden can fully negate durability and reduce things molecularly, he'll use his speed and that to stomp. If not then Ragyo will oneshot/use Mental Refitting to stomp.
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The faster you are, the bigger the gap when someone is that much faster than you, Ryu. That much is a certainty.
Being 10 times faster than someone as fast as Ragyo is a testament to the fact that yeah, I can safely use that bajillion times faster comparison.
Nah, he can't atomize people entirely as far as I know. But what he can do is indeed cut at the molecular level where the blade goes through. And assuming it's being cut down to the molecules, I'm pretty sure that would be far more precise cutting than simply "cutting from both sides" like the scissor blades.
...Whether that would mean negating the regen or not is beyond me. In fact, I did this match with at least part of this whole scenario in mind. Ragyo's Mental Refitting will recquire her to actually get him first, too.
It's not some crazy huge AOE attack that brainwashes everything in sight. Other than that, yeah, I agree with that last part. It's either stomp for one side or another or we can't be sure at all for either of them and this ends up Inconclusive.
Being 10 times faster than someone as fast as Ragyo is a testament to the fact that yeah, I can safely use that bajillion times faster comparison.
Nah, he can't atomize people entirely as far as I know. But what he can do is indeed cut at the molecular level where the blade goes through. And assuming it's being cut down to the molecules, I'm pretty sure that would be far more precise cutting than simply "cutting from both sides" like the scissor blades.
...Whether that would mean negating the regen or not is beyond me. In fact, I did this match with at least part of this whole scenario in mind. Ragyo's Mental Refitting will recquire her to actually get him first, too.
It's not some crazy huge AOE attack that brainwashes everything in sight. Other than that, yeah, I agree with that last part. It's either stomp for one side or another or we can't be sure at all for either of them and this ends up Inconclusive.
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In fact, I stopped receiving notifications from this thread until today. Somewhat surprised that it's still going.
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@Fate I never said Raiden does not have a considerable advantage in speed or enough to blitz. But calling a 10x gap "bajillions" is rather exaggerating. I guess it's just me, but I'd use onumbers much larger than ten to use a phrase meant for emphacizing the sheer magnitude of something. That that has very little relevance to the topic however.
And the "cutting from both sides" is more of an arbitrarily specific weakness than a matter of precision. It doesn't matter how "precise" a cut is if it's cut from one side.
Of course this is unless one is reduced to something beyond what the Regenerationn is capable of. Such as vaporization, atomization, etc. The power isn't NLF but it's a rather ridiculous and difficult thing to get around.
Ragyo can perform Mental Refitting from a high range and Raiden has nothing specified for resisting it. I'm not saying that she'd immediately perform it on him, especially not with the speed, but the if she does it's all over for him.
And the "cutting from both sides" is more of an arbitrarily specific weakness than a matter of precision. It doesn't matter how "precise" a cut is if it's cut from one side.
Of course this is unless one is reduced to something beyond what the Regenerationn is capable of. Such as vaporization, atomization, etc. The power isn't NLF but it's a rather ridiculous and difficult thing to get around.
Ragyo can perform Mental Refitting from a high range and Raiden has nothing specified for resisting it. I'm not saying that she'd immediately perform it on him, especially not with the speed, but the if she does it's all over for him.
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We're just back to square one yet again. This could probably be closed as we're kinda sorta grasping at straws since we can't be sure of who's stomping who, which leaves us at this strange abyss of "Inconclusive or Stomp". lol
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