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I meanHey Venefica? I was wondering something not related to this tournament.
There's an 8-B to 8-A tournament going on, and I was wondering if you'd be okay with a character or two of yours gets registered for it. Might be a good opportunity for a Class A Hero to surge into the spotlight.
Is that something he does in character? If so, then this kinda seems like something that makes them inaccessible without any repercussions and I'd have to disqualify the team since that's a little too OP for the tourney.Even if that didn’t work, Javen could literally take Asuna to a real-world website and continue the fight from there. I doubt cobalt has any feats of dealing with 4th wall stuff (In fact I don’t think she’s even aware of it) so i don’t think she could reach them this way. Plus dimensions in this case seems to be referring to universes, but this would be ultimately beyond that
Not sure, ask javen, although to be fair cobalt does have hyperspace where she can just astral project herself to be untouchable without a good degree of non-physical interactionIs that something he does in character? If so, then this kinda seems like something that makes them inaccessible without any repercussions and I'd have to disqualify the team since that's a little too OP for the tourney.
NPI is something a lot of people here should and do have... Not like just straight up interacting with higher dimensionsNot sure, ask javen, although to be fair cobalt does have hyperspace where she can just astral project herself to be untouchable without a good degree of non-physical interaction
Even then it sounds like her best feats of heat res is just blocking some regular stars without further context, And javen can make way bigger, way hotter, and way more stars than that. I think cobalt would get overwhelmed by that much heat and KE before she could do anything, especially destiny as i've said a million times now who probably cant afford to be anywhere near them
Would she know about asuna's time magic, though? She doesn't really have type 1 acausality so she won't remember if time is reversed, and her scanner only seems to scan her opponents' power level, not their entire moveset.
She can’t even stay forever though, and even when she’s there the clones she summons to the outside aren’t nearly as coordinated. It’s like completely different lolNot sure, ask javen, although to be fair cobalt does have hyperspace where she can just astral project herself to be untouchable without a good degree of non-physical interaction
I've seen them before, and at an initial glance, I'm thinking that Lilac and Reaper may be interesting options to have in said tournament (For Lilac, she'd be restricted to her 8-B stuff with her High 7-C keys either being reduced to 8-A in the case of her Durability, or banned such as her Murder Meteor Shower.) If not Lilac because of too much High 7-C stuff to shave off, then maybe Yarrow since you'd only need to reduce the Durability of his vines to 8-A (That, and Class M lifting strength with his plants may prove very useful in such a grounded tournament.)
Being able to duck to a higher dimension doesn't sound any more broken than ducking into a higher plane (Heck. Those sound almost the exact same, requiring the exact same sort of Non-Physical Hax to hit). That, and while it's not permanent on Cobalt's side, it may as well be given Cobalt can just fart out hundreds of clones in the meantime and just hide off somewhere else anyways while the massive horde of clones do all of the work.NPI is something a lot of people here should and do have... Not like just straight up interacting with higher dimensions
Spatial dimensions are physical. Having Non-Physicality is basically like Asunaven's Strat, but still being able to attack your opponent. Heck. If Asunaven tried ducking away like that, Cold Destiny would auto-win due to their opponents essentially commiting self-BFR and not applying any pressure while Cobalt can win via doing something very similar.
Either way, there's still a lot of things cobalt would have to watch out for even if she has a plan. She can't really stop the stars especially with javens clones in play, and asuna can turn off an ability that's troublesome whenever, she can nudge the odds in her favor with [Fortune] if she ever has to take a risk, Cobalts barriers likely can't hold up to 4-A ap anyway, etc. As venefica has said cobalt would have to be early to get to destiny if she wants to save her, but that requires cobalt to know about asuna's time stuff and she'd still be dealing with someone who can move 5x as fast, and also views them as if they are very slow so perception speed own't really matter either. There's a lot of variables to a situation like this but cobalt will still be at a pretty notable disadvantage without destiny.
To be fair, asuna can send their clones back to the real world with a riftway, so both of them can still fight with clones too as i've mentioned since they have interdimensional range. Even if the website thing isn't allowed (Which leo hasn't definitively said yet) i think the above point still stands
I'm pretty sure almost the entire tourney has Non-Physical Interaction. It's a common ability. What isn't is being able to interact with higher dimensional beings, which is almost never a thing for characters weaker than Tier 2
Soul Manipulation and NPI should also be able to affect higher dimensional stuff. Space is a physical quantum fabric after all.I'm pretty sure almost the entire tourney has Non-Physical Interaction. It's a common ability. What isn't is being able to interact with higher dimensional beings, which is almost never a thing for characters weaker than Tier 2
The point is that they can just camp in an inaccessible place that, unlike cobalt, they don’t ever have to leave since they can send clones out with little to no repercussions at all, also unlike cobalt. Theoretically this could stomp the entire tourney, since no one else had/has toon forced which apparently is required to access the place, in addition to something like cobalts cosmic awareness which is already op and not something everyone just has either
Even with those abilities you can’t affect higher dimension stuff without feats, and typically for stuff like that you need a good deal more proof than standard stuff
I mean, the whole hiding in another universe thing is completely out of the picture if it's out of character for Javen in a serious fight, which we need @Javenplayz253 to answer
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Ah yes, Javen hiding in another Universe in a fight!
She’s dealt with having a ton on her plate before. She’s has crossed swords with a Bloodborn before. Granted, she didn’t exactly last long on her own, but I’m talking about someone who would solo this tourney
Either way I think she’ll be able to come up with something to handle it. She doesn’t need to know about the time stuff to warp her and destiny to hyperspace anyway since she’s done it even after seeing something’s with lower chances to kill her. She doesn’t exactly like taking chances with her life
Please have mercy! This matchup is already 5 freaking pages long! D'X (XD)
That is definitely true, but so have asuna & javen. They've both fought people who are much smarter than them and have won, actually, Like Haruka & Mr portal. And asuna in particular has done this against someone who previously outmatched her in every possible way. I don't think cobalts feats of overcoming impossible odds, while impressive, they too have done this and so it isn't really enough to change the game against the sheer versatility against these two, especially since i've never seen cobalt deal with dozens of stars at once or do anything to them actually, nor resist the heat of them which is especially bad for destiny.She’s dealt with having a ton on her plate before. She’s has crossed swords with a Bloodborn before. Granted, she didn’t exactly last long on her own, but I’m talking about someone who would solo this tourney
BTW, what do you think of this, Venefica?
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I mean no offense to him, but there’s no way he’s fought the same caliber of opponents that cobalt has, and Asuna has yet to as well. They did win those matches though, so props to them, but cobalt can more than hold her own against an enemy akin to a god of corruption and darkness, who neither of her opponents come close to, so I still believe she’ll be fine. Plus we’ve already been over the heat stuff a tonThat is definitely true, but so have asuna & javen. They've both fought people who are much smarter than them and have won, actually, Like Haruka & Mr portal. And asuna in particular has done this against someone who previously outmatched her in every possible way. I don't think cobalts feats of overcoming impossible odds, while impressive, they too have done this and so it isn't really enough to change the game against the sheer versatility against these two, especially since i've never seen cobalt deal with dozens of stars at once or do anything to them actually, nor resist the heat of them which is especially bad for destiny.
Plus it's not like cobalt is gonna immediately teleport away especially when she didn't do this against shadic and nazo when her scanner literally shattered from their power. They definitely have a good amount of time to do this, especially when asuna can always reverse time if cobalt is about to be pulled into hyperspace and she can move 5x faster than her too, again
cobalt has barriers to multiply her defense against heat significantly atop her actual resistance and total spirit shield just blocks it entirely from reaching her, plus there’s the world chain strat, etc
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ton of Haxes, matches, and insane feats."
It's 5 then
The barriers can still be physically affected. They seem to have a limit to their power otherwise it wouldn't specifiy that it can block hits from those comparable to her. And a 5-C barrier is not blocking a High 4-C star crashing into it at FTL speeds at all. Cobalt would need like billions to do this but i imagine it'd drain her stamina significantly even if she did block it. And javen can always make more with his clones. The chains couldn't block it as previously discussed,, so why should barriers?I mean no offense to him, but there’s no way he’s fought the same caliber of opponents that cobalt has, and Asuna has yet to as well. They did win those matches though, so props to them, but cobalt can more than hold her own against an enemy akin to a god of corruption and darkness, who neither of her opponents come close to, so I still believe she’ll be fine. Plus we’ve already been over the heat stuff a ton
Cobalt doesn't have type 1 acausality.
What im basically saying here is, even if cobalt can react that fast, She still couldn't move nearly as fast as either asuna or javen to do this. She isn't faster across the board at all
there's no guarantee coalt can keep destiny safe even with hyperspace, especially since it doesn't seem entirely in-character given cobalt didn't do this when she struggled against the blood sea soldiers at all (If she did at least) and she didn't against nazo's power either. Plus they can't stay there forever, and once destiny is gone cobalt is at a pretty notable numbers disadvantage, and asuna and javen have many ways to defend themselves, some of which i don't think have been mentioned yet
Just curious. What are Asuna and Javen's best Danmaku dodging feats?
I don’t recall it being decided the chains can’t block the heat, unless you mean the stars, in which case the parts the stars interact with the chains would construct if cobalt is 100% contained and she’d wind up fine in the end anyway. Barriers are for heat only I don’t think I ever tried to imply they’d block stars outrightThe barriers can still be physically affected. They seem to have a limit to their power otherwise it wouldn't specifiy that it can block hits from those comparable to her. And a 5-C barrier is not blocking a High 4-C star crashing into it at FTL speeds at all. Cobalt would need like billions to do this but i imagine it'd drain her stamina significantly even if she did block it. And javen can always make more with his clones. The chains couldn't block it as previously discussed,, so why should barriers?
I mean she can spam a TON of slashes, in addition to clones and all in pretty sure she can easily get to the 100,000 range danmaku, especially since that’s basically the standard for her allies during the sea of blood arc
Thats… sort of implied by the fact that she beats dozens of enemies by herself when they all have precog and very good reactions on top of it
plus in the last match neither opponent could just crap our stars whenever they felt like it. That’s something she’s never seen before, why would she wait to find out what else would happen?The fact she didn’t struggle so much against blood sea soldiers is proof enough that she can still win this match. Every single one of them has danger sense-esque precog and she beats a bunch of them at once, speed amps aren’t new to her and her reactions are immensely good even without the perception help from destiny. Asuna and Javen aren’t allowed/going to camp out in some other universe and even if they use riftways cobalt can detect and follow them. Clones are largely resistant if not immune to Javen’s stuff and again she has better planning. Imo I think she still has a solid shot without destinyThis is probably still gonna continue, but naturally im still Leaning Asuven atm. I'm not entirely convinced that destiny can stay safe from javen's heat and asuna's speed amps right now, and asuna can take advantage of any openings with [Fortune] to do this as well which is also being a little underestimated
