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Which is exactly what we are talking about. You can’t use things that aren’t on the page, regardless of what the original creator says. You are literally trying to say that restoring something back to an original state = based on memories which is completely illogical"Azalea can return an object to back its initial state with restoration, essentially undoing any influence that alters said object's state"
It's pretty clear cut lol. The only thing that isn't mentioned is what this is based on. Which is memory.
Once again, in no way does the description say anything about dimensional hopping or time travel that would be required to circumvent this sort of thing. In the context or arcane collection, this basically means status effects and the like, not being sent to a whole other inescapable dimension."Object" is referring to any target. If she has a target in mind, she can recover it to a more original state. Which means the past state of an object.
This can include herself. Hence why she can return herself to a previous state and position in time.
Then why didn’t you just… check with him before making it? Plus, aren’t you supposed to be one of the biggest names working on the verse? How come you don’t know about it? It can’t be used anyway, because azalea doesn’t even have memory manipulation on her pageNova's pages don't tend to be as crazy detailed as I make mine so that is the issue. Not even I knew her restore went that far, but he explained it to me just now so I understand it.
Well, it shouldn’t be something to be proud of in my opinion, he needs to make his pages better and give his character real abilities that can actually be worked with tangibly and not shatter any possible conflictsI wonder what his reaction will be to me telling him his character got everyone to quit the tournament
It is on the page, it just isn't super clear. Also it isn't an application of memory manipulation. It's causality manip based on memories. Since memories store the past.Which is exactly what we are talking about. You can’t use things that aren’t on the page, regardless of what the original creator says. You are literally trying to say that restoring something back to an original state = based on memories which is completely illogical
Once again, in no way does the description say anything about dimensional hopping or time travel that would be required to circumvent this sort of thing. In the context or arcane collection, this basically means status effects and the like, not being sent to a whole other inescapable dimension.
Then why didn’t you just… check with him before making it? Plus, aren’t you supposed to be one of the biggest names working on the verse? How come you don’t know about it? It can’t be used anyway, because azalea doesn’t even have memory manipulation on her page
Just drop it at this point, why feed further into it when it’s actually rigged lolIn any case, nothing that nova has said is on azalea’s page, meaning it can’t be used. Although, even if it was legitimate, there’s still issues with it that make using it to escape quiet tomb problematic.
Someone like Phoenks in particular should know rules like these, but you are apparently blatantly ignoring a basic rule like that just to try and avoid a loss, which is not what being a mod is all about, is it?
But azalea doesn’t even have causality manipulation listed, what on earth are you talking about? You can only use things that are shown on a characters’ pages, regardless of what the original creator says. I could say all my oc’s have full causality manipulation whenever, but i never wrote it down nor put it on the page, so it’d be invalid.It is on the page, it just isn't super clear. Also it isn't an application of memory manipulation. It's causality manip based on memories. Since memories store the past.
Causality manipulation covers it all.
Well, everybody else is saying the opposite. You haven’t addressed the problems with restore properly, and simply because you disagree doesn’t mean that you can’t ignore grace rules. This should be extremely obvious.Anyway match can't be added since azalea stomps. Sorry guys.
I don’t know if it’s just me, but I don’t even know how you can have a tangible story with powers like that, and I know that azalea isn’t even like a high tier ark character. It’s not just absurd, it’s like borderline insanity. I wouldn’t wanna write if my characters could negate all like that
So she causality manips anything which happens to her out of existence, not even a hint of a drawback to that either. An ability like that is literally plot breaking, no one can do anything to her. There’s no conflict, no room for character growth, it’s just nothingness really, why does she have it?
They seem less likely to happen. You haven’t even said a word about Delta’s spatial manipulation or speed reduction. You’re the one who’s parroting the same arguments. Just because Azalea has more win cons doesn’t mean hers are more likely, everyone else agrees.
Then why doesn’t the description reflect that? I don’t even see Memory Manipulation on the profile. Even under Powers and Abilities it just says it restores something to a previous state. Versus rules say we can only use what’s on pages, so there would need to be changes made for me to have faith that’s really the ability and not what is actually described.
Wait what I told you before that Restoration on her page is linked to causality manipulation. Click on restoration.But azalea doesn’t even have causality manipulation listed, what on earth are you talking about? You can only use things that are shown on a characters’ pages, regardless of what the original creator says. I could say all my oc’s have full causality manipulation whenever, but i never wrote it down nor put it on the page, so it’d be invalid.
Even then, that’s still very inconsistent with what restore is all about, which, from it’s description, is for status effects, not being sent to another dimension, for the millionth time.
It’s linked to causality manipulation but that can still fall under the original description. Restoring back to previous state with cause and effect. Not exactly dimension jumping. I just don’t see how this ability is described in a completely inaccurate way and how we’re supposed to take that at face value.Wait what I told you before that Restoration on her page is linked to causality manipulation. Click on restoration.
Idk why y'all are so mad I just explained the ability and the description lines up exactly. It just doesn't tell you the memory based mechanism behind it. Which is fine anyway since many pages don't tell you that much info.
Even then, as I’ve said a million times before, it isn’t very useful in this case because all it really has been shown to do is reverse things like status effects or spells. It has nothing to do with reversing inescapable BFR. What on earth are you talking bout?Wait what I told you before that Restoration on her page is linked to causality manipulation. Click on restoration.
Idk why y'all are so mad I just explained the ability and the description lines up exactly. It just doesn't tell you the memory based mechanism behind it. Which is fine anyway since many pages don't tell you that much info.
It isn't described in an inaccurate way though.Screw this match
It’s linked to causality manipulation but that can still fall under the original description. Restoring back to previous state with cause and effect. Not exactly dimension jumping. I just don’t see how this ability is described in a completely inaccurate way and how we’re supposed to take that at face value.
Dude, you are ignoring everything i just said 5 minutes ago. She doesn’t even have memory manip listed on her page, and it completely contradicts the description of the skill, so I’m not sure what saying that is supposed to achieve.Restoring something back to its previous state can include physical location. For example if I was at home 7 hours ago and I remember that I was, then I could restore myself to that position I was in 7 hours ago. It ignores distance.
Which one? Even then, azalea hasn’t been shown to do that herself either, so it’s likely not applicable either.There is infact another character, which is my own, that can do the same thing via restoration. So it isn't that out of the ordinary in the verse either.
We can. It’s grace in delta’s favor. You can’t ignore a basic VS thread rule.Anyway, IDC if Delta moves on. But the match can't be added since Azalea stomps.
So are you. You are literally trying to downplay how absurd you sound right now. The memory-usage description is completely contradictory to azalea’s page, which is clearly meant to be super dooper detailed and accurate, and yet, apparently it’s not? It has never once been shown to work on the level it needs to be here. You are assuming way too many things just to glorify azalea’s ways to win.Memory manipulation is not a part of the ability in the first place. You are just babbling at this point lol. It's all just causality manipulation/restoration. Memory manip has nothing to do with it. She isn't altering anyone's memories. She's just recalling an event in her mind and restoring an object in-line with that event.
Ehh I'll see what the others think. I do have someone in line to take Delta's place.Well I am back, this truly was one of the threads of all time.
I heard a bunch of people withdrawing. Is it ok if I restart this without Azalea (for having an auto "no" button) Delta (for having thought based "go away and die" button)?
I want this tourney to end properly bois
The auto “no” button is very questionable as you might tell, lol, especially when Phoenks seems to be ignoring some pretty basic rules to get around this, but you’re in charge of the tourney, so up to youI heard a bunch of people withdrawing. Is it ok if I restart this without Azalea (for having an auto "no" button)
Fine then. I'll restart without Azalea or Delta. Both can chose others if they wanna enter againThe auto “no” button is very questionable as you might tell, lol, especially when Phoenks seems to be ignoring some pretty basic rules to get around this, but you’re in charge of the tourney, so up to you
Sonic becomes a strong boi when both Azalea and Delta not here. Idk if Phoenks will participate again so I might just end up having Sonic win his round against nobody to face Leo's replacement for Delta. If Leo also doesnt participate then Sonic fights Grender at finals if Vene stops the process of withdrawalI want SANIC replaced too
Fine then. I'll restart without Azalea or Delta. Both can chose others if they wanna enter again
azalea is peak ark fodderI wonder what his reaction will be to me telling him his character got everyone to quit the tournament