They seem less likely to happen. You haven’t even said a word about Delta’s spatial manipulation or speed reduction. You’re the one who’s parroting the same arguments. Just because Azalea has more win cons doesn’t mean hers are more likely, everyone else agrees.
I’m not trying to annoy anyone, lol
We’ve already established that azalea can’t outpace people who can see the future like Koji can, plus delta has plenty of experience with unhittable guys of his own too, like stickman hero. It’s a bit of a stretch to say that azalea can use her wincons effortlessly given that delta still has his ways of avoiding azalea, meanwhile, all delta needs is a snap of his fingers to activate quiet tomb, and boom, gg. I think the “quality” of the quiet tomb wincon is great. Even if azalea can survive in there somehow, she can’t escape.
This is wild lol. Just concede if you have no actual points to make and are going to start throwing accusations around.
That was literally never established. Koji has a party, including Azalea, that all fight against the same threats. Which are each typically very highly skilled individuals.
I've been saying for the past three pages that Restore makes those abilities useless because it can negate them and their effects on her. And it is spammable.
Well maybe you could’ve actually said that to me instead of ignoring me when I brought them up. Spatial manip and gravity manip are still good, even if she resets herself, the abilities still have their effects active, distorting space and yoinking Azalea away.
I felt a little slided when you didn’t respond to this. And I think you missed the second time I brought up spatial/speed reduction.
Doesn’t mana need to take a tangible form in the first place to deal damage or to interact with anything? If that’s the case and it doesn’t have to, then whats the point of taking the time to make elements with it if you can do damage via pure mana alone? That’s also one of the uses of restore, which is turn a spell back into mana as a form of negating it, so I’m having a hard time believing something like that. It seemingly contradicts itself
You cannot be saying that when you parrot and ignore arguments yourself like minty pointed out
Yes, I’m sure she is very skilled, but she literally describes herself as a support member. She isn’t used to fighting in her own at all, unlike delta. She hasn’t been shown to hit as accurately as someone like Koji, who beats basically unhittable dudes that delta has as well.
Then why haven’t you “disproven” his methods of avoiding them yourself yet? I’ll say these again. Even if azalea can take the water in his body in an extremely short timeframe, the instant teleport will cut it off before it can do any major damage. And saying that Neptunes gate doesn’t have to be tangible, just straight made of mana makes no sense narrative-wise. Why bother to make elements with it when you could do damage with pure mana, in that case? This is an example of you ignoring arguments yourself and denying doing so, lol
But it doesn’t get rid of the abilities. They will still always be influencing her. So even if she could spam it a million times per second, the ability is still having a constant influence on her, so it doesn’t matter. Restore is only gonna be good for regenerating her mana here.
Maybe you could have read the argument instead of actually being the one to parrot the stuff I've debunked multiple times throughout the thread.
That wouldn’t be very mod-like of them to do, lol, Us delta voters have reasons to vote for our stick boi, and everyone agrees with delta winning so far, so it’d seem very biased of Phoenks if he tried to do something like that
although i doubt he’d go that far to prevent a couple sentences being added to azalea’s profile, lol
This is another example of you not exactly being 100% truthful. Nowhere does azalea have causality manipulation, she only has resistance to it
even if she did, that’s probably kick-worthy from the tournamentWhy do you think i reply in full to things you’re saying then? Seems strange if i apparently don’t bother to read them
I was joking, hence why strikethrough. Both seem to have valid arguments after all but it is unlikely votings will change no matter how much this debate continued lolThat wouldn’t be very mod-like of them to do, lol, Us delta voters have reasons to vote for our stick boi, and everyone agrees with delta winning so far, so it’d seem very biased of Phoenks if he tried to do something like that
I’m sorry, I was looking for your response to what I said. I didn’t see if they were brought up earlier than when I did.
Ik lol, but in that case, since grace has been reached already i think this can probably be added and the tourney can be continued.
Incorrect. Azalea's restoration links to causality manipulation.This is another example of you not exactly being 100% truthful. Nowhere does azalea have causality manipulation, she only has resistance to it
It's not though. Causality manip reverses the effect out of existence. That's what it does lol.
Then why doesn’t she have it listed on her profile? Even if that’s the case, it’s a very limited and barely abusable form of causality manipulation and still doesn’t get rid of a constant effect of an ability like spatial manipulation, so it’s practically useless unless azalea needs to replenish herself.
Forgive me for not having photographic memory, lol. But on the other hand, you seem to forget or just ignore basic logic that I’ve provided for why restore doesn’t work well against most of delta’s abilities in ONE message, so…
It’s good for status effects, but I’ll say this once again. When an effect is constantly in play, that logic doesn’t work quite so well. As soon as azalea activates it, she’ll be instantly affected by it again since it’s still active 24/7, and doesn’t get abilities turned off according to its description. This isn’t hard to understand.
Mana needs to take tangible form to be visible. By the time those chains manifest it is over for Delta as his abilities are nullified.
Minty who admittedly didn't read my arguments.You cannot be saying that when you parrot and ignore arguments yourself like minty pointed out
You can’t blame me for not knowing everything about an insanely complex verse, either. I think someone with as much experience as you would have seen this happen plenty of times. It’s normal.
I will ask again if you can bring up anything that lets azalea escape from the skeletons insane LS and the quiet tomb itself.
???? Azalea has fought battles alone though. She's support on the team, but she has had solo fights. Why do you keep assuming this stuff lmao.
This isn't fast enough. If Azalea takes control of his internal water it's over for him lol. Why are you acting like this is some slow process??? Also, how would he even know his internalized water is being manipulated by her? By the time he would realize that she'd have already ripped it out.
I haven't ignored any arguments. You're just misinterpreting what I'm saying.
It is listed as restoration. It links to causality manip.
Except it does since it negs the ability. Also she can just Neptune's Gate if space manip even ever becomes a problem and it's GGs.
This is hilarious.
Since when is the spatial manipulation a passive ability lmao. The page says his attacks distort space. I don't see anything about passive spatial binding.
I think i need to spell this out for you.
You will literally ignore the kind of logic above ^ i guarantee it.
Nothing was ever said about it being passive, i said that because it doesn’t directly “turn off” any abilities, just reverts a specific target to a previous state, which doesn’t work against something that will continuously happen, and you are literally ignoring this right in my face, lol
It doesn’t for any longer than an instant, since space manip can be used constantly and doesn’t get prevented from being used entirely, because the entire point of restore is just reverting something to a previous state, not turning off abilities outright. View the explanation above ^^^
There’s a couple issues with it that I’m typing up right now, so yeah, it’ll be here soon tho
We already knew she starts with Danmaku. So in that time Delta can use Quiet Tomb and leave since Azalea has to switch her strategy while he just has to apply his standard tactics. Both can counter each other I think but QT being activated first should edge out.
There’s a problem with that, and it’s something you are still ignoring. It doesn’t turn off abilities outright.
We already know about this part. But if he literally says he opens with water danmaku and NOT Neptunes gate, then delta’s quick decisiveness to use quiet tomb will come into play, and it means he will very likely be using it before azalea decides to get Neptune’s gate off. And that’s precisely how he’s going to win, so this part doesn’t mean much.
It's causality manipulation based on her thoughts and memories.
Where does it say that it has anything to do with memories, like, at all? All it says is being able to get rid of effects, nothing to do with thoughts or memories in it’s description.
Then why doesn’t the description reflect that? I don’t even see Memory Manipulation on the profile. Even under Powers and Abilities it just says it restores something to a previous state. Versus rules say we can only use what’s on pages, so there would need to be changes made for me to have faith that’s really the ability and not what is actually described.
Same here (even tho sonic lost)
Senna isn’t even counting the votes as grace. If the player was still in i would have withdrawn him, you’re not alone
Even if Delta wins, I'm pulling out. Saying that an ability gives you something completely different from its description is just madness.
"Azalea can return an object to back its initial state with restoration, essentially undoing any influence that alters said object's state"
I think that basis is a pretty big detail. Restoring to a previous state makes me think restoring damage or going back a few feet, not traveling through dimensions and going back in time. The memory hopping changes it entirely and makes the ability much stronger than before.
