[R1M7] Dio Brando & Clover vs Alexander Durham & Leonardo Alcantara Aguirre [GRACE]

[LeoEpicGamer8910]

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Match Conditions
Speed will be equalized for all matches
Characters are only allowed specified optional equipment
Starting location is New York City
Starting distance is 10 meter

Character A	Character B	Key A	Key B	Votes
Dio Brando	Clover (Undertale Yellow)	Awakened DIO	Genocide Route	4
Alexander Durham	Leonardo Alcantara Aguirre	Symbiant Arc	Symbiant Arc	0
Inconclusive				0

 

[Bossbrosish]

Alex and Leo would start with their information analysis skill before using any magic attacks or fighting outright

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Think Dio time stops, figures out punching them won't work and just mind haxes them.

 

[Bossbrosish]

Think Dio time stops, figures out punching them won't work and just mind haxes them.

What mind hax does Leo have and how likely is he to use it? I know very little about Jojo's bizarre adventure.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

What mind hax does Leo have and how likely is he to use it? I know very little about Jojo's bizarre adventure.

Dio has three methods to inflict it. Flesh Buds (The one he goes for usually), Hypnosis and by turning them into a zombie.
Both Flesh Buds and Zombification require him to be able to harm his opponent, so it really just comes down to his typical Hypnosis.
Although, I've heard that he can also use spores in place of Flesh Buds, and those don't require piercing through the skull to work.

And I believe he leads with it, since he usually tries to make people his allies first.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

And even then, if he doesn't go for mind hax, he can still kill them both with his Vaporization Freezing Technique, which would literally turn them into ice.

 

[MintyBoi1]

And even then, if he doesn't go for mind hax, he can still kill them both with his Vaporization Freezing Technique, which would literally turn them into ice.

We don’t know if Part 3 DIO can use these though. He didn’t against Jotaro and it’s likely he wouldn’t either because his body isn’t perfect yet or because of his ego

 

[SSB64]

Actually, I should ask.....

Do Alexander and Leonardo even have a way to permanently put down Clover at the end of the Genocide Route?

 

[Bossbrosish]

Actually, I should ask.....

Do Alexander and Leonardo even have a way to permanently put down Clover at the end of the Genocide Route?

Alex does have a sealing technique that he could use and Leo does have Existence Erasure.

 

[SSB64]

Ah. In that case, they'd need to get around Dio and actually know to use those on Clover to kill them for good.

 

[Bossbrosish]

Ah. In that case, they'd need to get around Dio and actually know to use those on Clover to kill them for good.

There's also the fact Leo and Alex have access to their transformation here which would increase their stats by a longshot depending on the form

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

We don’t know if Part 3 DIO can use these though.

Yes, we do? "All previous abilities"?
He just barely uses some of his Vampiric Powers in Part 3 cause TW trumps them all. Why freeze when his Stand can just one shot?

He didn’t against Jotaro and it’s likely he wouldn’t either

Dio had to touch him to do it? Dio never managed to touch Jotaro himself and was actively trying not to approach him cause Plat would just rip him apart.
And the single time he tried to, was when Jotaro's finger twitched in his Time Stop and Dio dipped.

Not to mention that he did in fact wish to drink Jotaro's blood to power himself further, why use a technique that takes that option away?

because his body isn’t perfect yet

This is Awakened Dio, he utterly surpassed his Part 1 counterpart.

because of his ego

Dio consistently goes in for quick kills, he'll only yap when he KNOWS he can afford to.
They even flatout state that Dio's actual first go-to was to kill the Stardust Crusaders all right away.

 

[Bossbrosish]

Bump

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

So yeah, Imma vote Dio (Clover is also there)

 

[SSB64]

Yes, we do? "All previous abilities"?

The only reason Dio doesn't use them is because he believed that his Stand could take him to a whole new level he previously couldn't even imagine before.

 

[SSB64]

Anyways, yeah. Dio and Clover FRA.

(Insert Clover Dance here)

 

[Bossbrosish]

Based on Dio's weakness page, he's extremely arrogant in this key and weak to light based attacks. There's also the fact Alex and Leo would work more as a team in this scenario and Alex would very much seal away Dio when given the opportunity or Lei erasing him from existence if deemed to much of a threat.

 

[MintyBoi1]

Based on Dio's weakness page, he's extremely arrogant in this key and weak to light based attacks. There's also the fact Alex and Leo would work more as a team in this scenario and Alex would very much seal away Dio when given the opportunity or Lei erasing him from existence if deemed to much of a threat.

Coming back to this, I do think it’s fair to use DIO’s vampiric powers since the reasons he didn’t in Part 3 are semi reasonable. It’s at least possible he could use them here being fair to him.

As for his arrogance, he is cocky, always messing with an opponent once he’s in the mood to show off. But he’s also extremely effective, going for one shots when he can. And considering he has no personal ties to the opponents here, they likely won’t be able to prod out enough emotion for DIO’s arrogance to really come into play that heavily. And if he sees they have light, he’ll just stop time and kill them however he can. With the stat differences, I’m guessing he’d settle on freezing.

 

[SSB64]

Also, I just looked at Leo's page.

Whoever used Gacha Life for it? Based.

 

[Bossbrosish]

Also, I just looked at Leo's page.

Whoever used Gacha Life for it? Based.

Yeah that was me. Hehe.

 

[Rayfire]

Even if Alex & Leo did deal with dio somehow, if clover can’t win on his own he can LOAD back to a point to bring dio back, and I don’t know how either of them can handle time travel or if they have type 1 acausality

 

[Bossbrosish]

Even if Alex & Leo did deal with dio somehow, if clover can’t win on his own he can LOAD back to a point to bring dio back, and I don’t know how either of them can handle time travel or if they have type 1 acausality

How effective would that be if sealed away or erased from existence? Wouldn't the loading back affect everyone in this scenario?

 

[MintyBoi1]

Yeah, voting Clover and DIO. They have enough dura neg and survivability to overcome the lack of raw power. DIO can freeze or mind hack them and have it be done.

How effective would that be if sealed away or erased from existence? Wouldn't the loading back affect everyone in this scenario?

It’s a time travel ability, so no matter what, whatever happens should be undone. Clover can come back from soul destruction

 

[Rayfire]

How effective would that be if sealed away or erased from existence? Wouldn't the loading back affect everyone in this scenario?

Unless being “sealed away” in this context means that clover can’t reach his SAVE file (Kind of like how frisk couldn’t against full power Asriel in the canon game) I don’t think so. As for existence erasure, I think type 4 immortality covers for that from what I understand about it

 

[Rayfire]

Clover can come back from soul destruction

Also this

 

[SSB64]

Also this

Yeah. Whenever he dies, his SOUL literally breaks into pieces, and then he can reset (He doesn't do this in game without Flowey of course, but once Clover reaches LV 20, he should be capable of doing so on his own.)

 

[LeoEpicGamer8910]

We have grace for DIO and Clover but I'm not so sure I want to advance the tourney if arguments are still happening

 

[Rayfire]

I’ll wait for more bossbrosish arguments before voting

 

[Bossbrosish]

I’ll wait for more bossbrosish arguments before voting

Honestly, I don't think I have much more arguments to make unless someone else can think of something for a rebuttal. I think they could handle Dio if using teamwork, but Clover would be more of a problem with SAVE reloading.

 

[SSB64]

Honestly, I don't think I have much more arguments to make unless someone else can think of something for a rebuttal. I think they could handle Dio if using teamwork, but Clover would be more of a problem with SAVE reloading.

Which is really ironic considering I had the idea in my head that the Neon Cavaliers were super OP.

 

[LeoEpicGamer8910]

Honestly, I don't think I have much more arguments to make unless someone else can think of something for a rebuttal. I think they could handle Dio if using teamwork, but Clover would be more of a problem with SAVE reloading.

Are the main characters really the most haxed?

 

[Rayfire]

Insane vampire teams up with a time-travelling kid and sweeps the tourney FRA (Dio & clover)

 

[LeoEpicGamer8910]

Which is really ironic considering I had the idea in my head that the Neon Cavaliers were super OP.

Low hax high AP warriors. Reminds me of how Dragon Ball gets treated on this forum.

 

[SSB64]

Low hax high AP warriors. Reminds me of how Dragon Ball gets treated on this forum.

So basically the opposite of my own series, which is overall low power, but high Hax for said power level, kinda like JJK. XD

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

Dio clover FRA

 

[Chariot190]

What mind hax does Leo have and how likely is he to use it? I know very little about Jojo's bizarre adventure.

Eye contact based hypnosis.
He can implant spores into them and essentially rewire their brain (When Dio dies and theyre implanted, the spores, now buds, will essentially fuse with them and make them undying, mindless, goo dudes).
He's also like, a vampire and can inject his essence into others and make them a zombie or vampire, both of which are loyal to him.

He has 3 types of hax that alter the mind someway or another, they all work on completely different mechanics so even just having mind hax res doesn't inherently save you, because ok you resist biological mindhax? But do you res supernatural? You res supernatural? What about diseases? Etc. It's like resisting Poison Ivy's mindhax might not make you immune to Mewtwo's and vice versa type of deal.

Also idk shit about these dudes, pretty sure this is just FCOC stuff so I don't particularly care, but The World also has fear aura that can paralyze those with supwill or cause them to flee, and Dio being, well a vampire can drain someone's very life force (he then adds it to his own, this is actually the mechanics of how his stat amp works).

Both Flesh Buds and Zombification require him to be able to harm his opponent, so it really just comes down to his typical Hypnosis.

Dio has some degree of fusionism actually, don't forget he can just kinda like, slip his fingers through flesh and fuse with it, even directly connecting to their cardiovascular system.
Not to the degree of someone like Wham who can straight up fuse with other entities' flesh but, ya know, it's minor but it is there.

Yes, we do? "All previous abilities"?
He just barely uses some of his Vampiric Powers in Part 3 cause TW trumps them all. Why freeze when his Stand can just one shot?

Dio had to touch him to do it? Dio never managed to touch Jotaro himself and was actively trying not to approach him cause Plat would just rip him apart.
And the single time he tried to, was when Jotaro's finger twitched in his Time Stop and Dio dipped.

Not to mention that he did in fact wish to drink Jotaro's blood to power himself further, why use a technique that takes that option away?

This is Awakened Dio, he utterly surpassed his Part 1 counterpart.

Dio consistently goes in for quick kills, he'll only yap when he KNOWS he can afford to.
They even flatout state that Dio's actual first go-to was to kill the Stardust Crusaders all right away.

Hey it's me

Based on Dio's weakness page, he's extremely arrogant in this key and weak to light based attacks. There's also the fact Alex and Leo would work more as a team in this scenario and Alex would very much seal away Dio when given the opportunity or Lei erasing him from existence if deemed to much of a threat.

That's funny because we just got a magazine actually going "no he's actually super hyper cautious and analytical". He literally fuced around for less than 15 seconds with his new power and then went in for the kill, against a dude all things considered, knew could only act for a split second now and couldnt kill him in that timeframe.