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Quick question about Bleach vs DBS
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The paralysis of SC it affects the soul
But to make this simple, does goku has soul hax resistance on the 100s to thousands?
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I think it was bout 13K or 23K, something like that
Tho sometimes we are told that people like ichigo can cover the whole planet (when he meet shinji)
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No. Ki and reiatsu are pretty interchangeable from what I've seen in Bleach.
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what do you mean?
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Ki= Energy/willpower/whatever from the soul
Reiatsu= Energy/willpower/whatever from the soul
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huh, well so Goku Buu Saga solos?
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Not what I was saying because I don't intend on starting a debate between characters.
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i was kinda joking, btw you meant since the energy is the same so it can be VE?
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Not really
Reikyoku is the energy of bleach, reiatsu is just the pressure the soul makes
Reiatsu is basically and effect of having Reikyoku
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No they aren't similar, you're just trying to find a single similar property and therefore say their energies are similar, you can literally do the same with Fairy Tail magic and DB Ki with that logic.
Regardless, verse equalization doesn't even work like that so no idea why it matters.
Regardless, verse equalization doesn't even work like that so no idea why it matters.
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not my point
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I wasn't responding to you
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Yeah? This mcguffin of chi/chakra/willpower-from-the-soul is pretty common in eastern series. I literally don't see what Bleach does different than Dragon Ball.
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Again you're just trying to generalize everything with small similarities.
It doesn't matter though because as I said, verse equalization doesn't give you resistances or abilities, not to mention that Bleach's energy isn't even Reiatsu, it's Reiryoku.
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I'm not generalizing anything, I just don't see what Bleach does significantly different than Dragon Ball; and from what I've seen in Bleach Reiatsu is just the emanation of Reiryoku.
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You are but it's pointless to go in circles, especially when you don't even really have an argument, even if we agree that they're the exact same, what is your point?
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It won't work on DB characters. We've even seen fights in Dragon Ball between souls where the soul is affected by Ki.
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Again, verse equalization doesn't give abilities or resistances of the energy, so no, even if we literally say Ki and Reiryoku are the exact same thing, DB characters still get soul crushed.
Also, as said earlier, Bleach's energy is Reiryoku, not Reiatsu, so what would be equalized here is Reiryoku and as such, they'd still get soul crushed.
Lastly, you should seek to have soul resistance for DB characters added in that case, though I recall a previous thread about that was rejected.
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Not really how it works but, ok.
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How would they get soul crushed if they're the same thing? We've seen abilities in DB be ignored through energy alone. I also don't really care about the semantics of Reiatsu or Reiryoku, as far as I know they're just both emanation concepts I've seen, similar to how Kamehamehas are projected with Ki.
Anyways, I'm not going to go through the trouble of making a thread for soul resistance; the nepotism in this websites already bad enough. Making one for Dragon Ball is a pretty fruitless effort.
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For one, Ki does not give resistance to soul hax nor soul hax itself
Reiatsu gives both
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You're just arguing against how the wiki works at this point, have the standards changed and then we can continue, as it stands, they get soul crushed with verse equalization or without it.
Though I do agree with your last paragraph to an extent.
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But if it's "crushing" your soul, how would having a higher energy save you if your energy source isn't protecting your soul or made up of your souls power. Using this method of verse equalization would be giving characters protection from something their energy doesn't have anything to do with would it not?.
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Never in verse stated to only work on weaker characters and the verse equalization page clearly states that it doesn't give resistances or abilities.
It's not the energy itself that gives the resistance anyway.
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Because the "crushing of soul" wouldn't work because the effects of the energy are only felt by people with lesser energy. It's not about giving someone else resistance simply for having a higher energy, it's simply a weakness of the ability in which it doesn't work on people with more energy.
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Where is this stated?
And again, verse equalization doesn't give resistances or abilities, which is exactly what you're trying to do.
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That's how the ability is shown to work throughout the entire series. It doesn't have to be stated when it is blatantly shown by feats. And didn't you yourself said that having a high enough reiryoku negates it?
Verse equalization doesn't give resistances or abilities and that's not what's happening, but it also doesn't ignore the weakness of some hax.
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It does have to be stated;
Where did I say this?
Needs to be stated that it's a weakness of the ability and it works like that, it's never stated, you're just interpreting the ability like that, there are showings of stronger characters being affected by weaker characters Reiatsu anyway.
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Feats > statements is a general and topmost rule. The point is, there needs to be evidence. It can either be stated or shown. You are arguing semantics.
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No I'm using what's stated in SBA, I didn't write it but I'm sure as hell going to use it.
You're not using feats though, you're using absence of feats as an argument, which is faulty anyway since as I said, Reiatsu has worked on stronger characters before.
And honestly, statements > feats imo.
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But I did write it. So I know the "statement" part of that sentence is only secondary because showings are considered primary. If it's that much of a problem, I will reword it.
I am curious to see the instances where a stronger character is crushed by a weaker character's reiatsu.
Your opinion, but okay.
I am curious to see the instances where a stronger character is crushed by a weaker character's reiatsu.
Your opinion, but okay.
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Changing wiki standards to fit your argument? Seems pretty close to power abuse to me.
TS Ichigo clearly being affected by Shunsui's Reiatsu, and in contrast, Orihime being completely fine in Soul King Yhwach and TS Merged Ichigo's Reiatsu even though she's fodder to both.
No statement about it only affecting weaker characters and feats showing otherwise.
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...what?
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