question about the beyonder

[Per_son1214]

so currently beyonder is high 1-B for being an infinite dimensional being but i came across a scan that kind of confused me



here the beyonder and molecule man are supposedly outside infinite dimensions that make up the multiverse. i dont know much about dimensions so im not sure what this really means....

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Link doesn't work.

Regardless, Beyonder is only High 1-B in his own realm, and High 1-C out of it (same as Molecule Man), so it is very possible for him to not be infinite dimensional all the time.

 

[Per_son1214]

Link doesn't work.
Regardless, Beyonder is only High 1-B in his own realm, and High 1-C out of it (same as Molecule Man), so it is very possible for him to not be infinite dimensional all the time.

yeah the link doesnt work but i put the picture here

 

[FTW395]

He's saying he's in a realm outside of the multiverse which consists of infinite dimensions, I guess that should be 1-A.

 

[Per_son1214]

He's saying he's in a realm outside of the multiverse which consists of infinite dimensions, I guess that should be 1-A.

so why isnt he? 1-A is beyond infinite dimensions and owen said they were outside of all of existence, a realm outside of infinite dimensions

 

[EnderShadowr215]

It is mainly due to inconsistencies in Marvel.

 

[Per_son1214]

It is mainly due to inconsistencies in Marvel.

but they were being really specific as to where they were.

 

[EnderShadowr215]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Marvel_Character_Statistics_Scaling is how it goes. @Daniel I will admit that depending on who wrote this particular scan may upgrade the beyonder (Pre-Recon). Also not to mention the writers tend to differ in opinions as well

 

[Per_son1214]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Marvel_Character_Statistics_Scaling is how it goes. @Daniel I will admit that depending on who wrote this particular scan may upgrade the beyonder (Pre-Recon). Also not to mention the writers tend to differ in opinions as well

shouldnt we rely on the beyonders best feats rather than lower feats? marvel is inconsistent so we should rely on the best feats. or maybe possible 1-A

 

[EnderShadowr215]

@Daniel I can see it maybe possibly 1-A, but consider there are inconsistencies with Marvel itself, we have to go with his best feats.

 

[Per_son1214]

@Daniel I can see it maybe possibly 1-A, but consider there are inconsistencies with Marvel itself, we have to go with his best feats.

yeah this is still canon for pre retcon beyonder and we cant just ignore it like it doesnt exist just because its inconsistent. the scan showing beyonder being an infinite dimensional being seems a lot more vague than this one where they were very clear about beyonder and molecule man being in an area beyond dimensions

 

[EnderShadowr215]

@Daniel Not to mention there are also retcons as well in Marvel.

 

[Per_son1214]

@Daniel Not to mention there are also retcons as well in Marvel.

maybe i should have posted this on the content revision board....

 

[EnderShadowr215]

@Daniel You could do that. Well

 

[Per_son1214]

@Daniel You could do that. Well

how do i do that? like put this thread in another board

 

[EnderShadowr215]

@Daniel Ask a admin to move this thread to content revision thread.

 

[Promestein]

Looks like the terminology could be referring to dimensions as universes, not actual dimensions.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

@Prom. If it was, Beyonder would be 2-A.

 

[EnderShadowr215]

@Promestein Two problems with this. It is quite possible it might have got retconned in the later comic series due to different writers or inconsistencies. I not so sure when this scan take places, but it look like it is definitely in 20th century.

 

[Promestein]

Beyonder's other feat explicitly describes the Beyond Realm as infinite-dimensional, which is why he is 1-B.

 

[EnderShadowr215]

Hmm that is true. I gonna recede my point on the retcon one.

 

[Per_son1214]

Looks like the terminology could be referring to dimensions as universes, not actual dimensions.

since there's no way of telling whether molecule man was referring to dimensions or universes, could beyonder be possibly 1-A? since hes literally outside of infinite dimensions. and isnt there only one scan of beyonder being called infinite dimensional.

https://www.loungeforums.com/i/embe...%2Fu%2Ff97%2F19%2F00%2F38%2F35%2Finfini10.jpg

this one right? this seems rather vague, whereas here they were clearly stated to be outside of infinite dimensions

 

[Antvasima]

Marvel usually uses the term dimension to refer to parallell universes with different laws of physics, especially when referring to a Multiverse, whereas the scan in the last post is very specific about that it means dimensions in the term of different directions, when comparing 3-Dimensional space with his normal state of being.

In addition, even if the multiverse had been infinite-dimensional, being outside of and beyond it would usually still only mean a higher degree of infinite dimensions.

So, the Beyonder should preferably stay as High 1-B.

 

[Per_son1214]

Marvel usually uses the term dimension to refer to parallell universes with different laws of physics, especially when referring to a Multiverse, whereas the scan in the last post is very specific about that it means dimensions in the term of different directions, when comparing 3-Dimensional space with his normal state of being.
In addition, even if the multiverse had been infinite-dimensional, being outside of and beyond it would usually still only mean a higher degree of infinite dimensions.

So, the Beyonder should preferably stay as High 1-B.

what about this scan

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11127/111270187/4982191-7060194038-203539.jpeg

 

[Antvasima]

Given that it contradicts the very specific previous scan that states that the Beyond Realm is infinite-dimensional, I think that we can only interpret it as being beyond the time and space in the Marvel multiverse, which is consistent with High 1-B.

 

[Per_son1214]

Given that it contradicts the very specific previous scan that states that the Beyond Realm is infinite-dimensional, I think that we can only interpret it as being beyond the time and space in the Marvel multiverse, which is consistent with High 1-B.

the beyonder said he will expand and fill that place to become the beyond realm again. isnt this implying that this place is the beyond realm just without him? the previous scan just says "having 3 dimensions instead of an infinite number". that doesnt outright say that hes an infinite dimensional being. but you're probably right

 

[Antvasima]

Given that he is the Beyond Realm, it does in fact say that he is infinite-dimensional, but since you seem to agree, I will close this thread.