Question About Canonicity

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Imagine a new fan work in a series is created. The work in question has multiple statements from the original author, which are explicitly part of the canon. These statements tie into and make references to events written by someone else. However, that person also claims that their work is non-canon. This would contradict the author's statements, which are canon, and use the fan work's statements as a basis (eg; Toriyama collabs with a Dragon Ball fanfic writer, and ties parts of the fanfic into canon, but it is by all means still fanfiction). How do we treat this?

TL;DR: How do we treat canonical statements that reference material that is stated to be non-canon?

 

[Dienomite22]

the part of the fanfic that the author says is canon is valid as long as it is shown/implied to be canon within the series itself. A statement alone wouldn't work in most cases but that also depends on just how in-depth the author goes on about the details of the fanfic's canonicity in their statement.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

the part of the fanfic that the author says is canon is valid as long as it is shown/implied to be canon within the series itself. A statement alone wouldn't work in most cases but that also depends on just how in-depth the author goes on about the details of the fanfic's canonicity in their statement.

That's originally the route I was going, but I'm running into an issue where this also includes various game mechanics (since this IS for a game). This is a problem because all the mechanics inherently tie into one another, and you can't just use them in a vacuum.

In any case, your suggestion is more or less what I've been doing, so thanks.

 

[Nierre]

TL;DR: How do we treat canonical statements that reference material that is stated to be non-canon?

So essentially stuff in a non-canon game is referenced in a canon game?

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

So essentially stuff in a non-canon game is referenced in a canon game?

No, it's more like there's a non-canon game containing canon content (which also intersects with and references the non-canon content).

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Basically, imagine it like this:
-Someone develops an officially licensed, but non-canon, Dragon Ball game.
-Toriyama has official involvement with the game, with the stipulation that the parts that he writes ARE canon.
-However, Toriyama's canon statements connect to and expand upon the supposedly non-canon statements and game mechanics.

how the fuck would we index this

 

[Maskofthedragon]

Just ignore it

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Just ignore it

kinda hard to do that when there's objectively canon content in here and im taking a "no stone unturned" approach to revisions

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Bump

Turns out the author has even more direct involvement than I previously thought, so that's interesting.

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

Bump

Turns out the author has even more direct involvement than I previously thought, so that's interesting.

Cook bro.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Bump

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Bump

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Bumping again because this is more relevant to me now.

My current stance is to treat the WoG stuff as primary canon and the things merely referenced by WoG as tertiary canon, but I'd still like second opinions.

 

[GarrixianXD]

I am sure it depends on the copyrights and who owns the character.