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Puella Magi Discussion Thread V

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Because they themselves lack souls now that they've become beings.
 
It should also probably be mentioned that if grief seeds absorb too much despair, they will be born again.
 
Yes and no (my bad for not explaining it properly before).

A magical girl using the GS causes it to accumulate a ton of despair so it creates a witch very fast.

It can still create a witch if left alone but it takes far longer (how much exactly is unknown though)
 
I think it was mentioned that they shouldn't be left alone and must eventually be eaten by Kyubey regardless of it being used by magical girls to avoid their rebirth but I'll check. (I'm rewatching the main series, hence why I'm mentioning most of these things now.)
 
Ninja'd by Kal

Also it takes about 4~5 kills for a familiar to become a witch (Could be op against other summoners or dupe users.)
 
They do hatch alone, that's how Isabeau spread witches throughout France. It takes longer though
 
Not combat applicable then, but should probably still be listed as resurrection or something
 
True, though we should probably mention it can be combat applicable if there is enough despair in the area.
 
Guys

About upscaling

I probably realized something

As we know, a mg's potential depends on her fate/karmic destiny, and the scale of their abilities depends on that; as seen from both madoka and tart, an increase of their "fate" directly upscaled their powers (Madoka becoming at least 5-B and tart high 3-A along with all their powers); since Madoka's fate affected the entire multiverse, shouldn't that by default upscale her abilities to this level? And also as seen from kazumi copied abilities uspcale too (I think), so probably they should upscale too

Kinda like other verses were there's a source of power and its increase directly increases the scale of their abilities (I think Saint Seya works like that)

This is what happens when I have nothing to do at school
 
Peter1129 said:
Just in time Digimon is also having another misc. revision soon. Let's see which one will finish this time.
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Nasuverse revision is concluded,just saying.

Meanwhile,new Masada CRT is abandoned to hell....
 
Interesting @RK

I'll need to start gathering scans
 
So to summarize:

Ultimate Madoka and Ultimate Kriemhild Gretche receive all magical girl and witch abilities (Save Homulily Reb. Version) respectively due to to the former absorbing all magical girls into her Heaven/body/barrier and the latter due to being the accumulation of all their despair, which would be their witch forms in this context.

Upscaling is considered a constant given how many times it happens (Advanced Magical Girls, Irregulars [Which Madoka and Homura might be], Madoka, implied by UKG, and definitely implied by Magia Record Girls) and the fact that their abilities inherently come from their karmic destiny, where their potency is derived from.

Witches will gain Immunity to Soul Manipulation (Kal did you ever put an opinion on this?) and Resurrection (Not combat applicable unless there is enough despair).

Familiars can transform into witches given they kill enough people. (4~5)

Final Timeline Madoka Kaname will be moved to Planet level+ given how absurdly powerful she is.

Homulily has Cross-Country range.
 
@SD

Mind taking scans for the upscaling stuff in the main series? I'll take the needed scans from Tart and Kazumi Magica.

I still say "At least Planet+, likely far higher". UKG, AoC and False Madoka too.

I'm neutral about the soul immunity.
 
We should probably determine if Madoka gets Doppel stuff given that it's fairly important.

Also got the Tart/Kazumi scans
 
While you guys handle the possible upgrades, I think I'll make some Magia Record MG who has a doppel...and probably some who doesn't have it.
 
For the doppel stuff I'm not really sure, but she probably should since, as said before, she has both components

@Homu I think you should wait for the ones without a doppel because it was stated that they're all going to get one (don't ask me for the quote, I read this somewhere on the magireco subreddit). Granted, it'll probably take long, but still. Start with tsuruno as I really want to see her profile on there
 
Rechecking, idk about the range upgrade for Homulilly. Urobochi says that the scene is meant to be up for interpretation.

Also SD can you get the scans for the witch resurrection too?
 
It's true that he said that, but we also know what the author's intention was about the scene. I think the safest thing to do is to see what others think in the crt, mentioning the circumstances
 
Anyway, only thing that i need are the scans from the fate stuff in the main series. Everything else should be here.

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==Upscaling==
Basically, i think that there is enough proof to say that the powers of a magical girl/witch, should be considered effective on their level by default.

First, we have UKG, whose curses grew stronger (Going from Low 2-C to 2-A) as she herself grew stronger.

Then we have Tart, who literally became infinitely stronger due to Riz twisting her fate.

It happened earlier with Melissa as well.

Kazumi's power literally causes other magical girls to evolve.

It's also very strongly implied by Magia Record due to Mitama being able to boost other magical girls, as well as the fact that they need to have abilities that work on other magical girls efficiently given that they are all about on par. Holy Mami also implies that, given that after being upgraded she surpassed limitations of the other Magia Record magical girls such as being unable to summon the Doppel without heavy strain for themselves/danger.

Witches Additions
Witches can resurrect from the Grief Seed (See Charlotte and all the witches created by Isabeau). Using the Grief Seed speeds up the process.

Familiars become witches if they eat 4-5 people.

Witches are soulless, When a magical girl turns into a witch, the Soul Gem breaks. See Sayaka and Madoka (It's easier to notice it with UKG). So they should get Immunity to Soul Manipulation

Madoka Additions
As stated here (Go to page 198 notes) the magical girls absorbed by Madoka become a part of her.

Out of all the magical girls who had become a part of God, the ones that Homura knows have the mission of a huge event like an instant awakening from a long, long dream.

Thus she would get their abilities.WoG confirms that it happens to every magical girl(Check episode 12 commentary).

There is this thing that surprisingly became a talking point -- "The Law of Circular Path". That actually means "the ending that will, without exception, visit the girls who embraced hope and chose to take up the destiny of becoming a mahou shoujo." It is not something Mami-san coined herself, but something like an oral tradition that was passed along among mahou shoujo in that world. And so at that place and time, the only one who could not understand at all after hearing those words was Homura. Kyoko also knew and probably Sayaka in that world had also heard those words before.

As we already know, LoC assistants are both magical girl and witch at the same time (Nagisa literally spends half of Rebellion as Charlotte), so Madoka gets the ability of both forms.

She should probably get Doppel abilities as well, given that a Doppel is pretty much magical girl + witch and Madoka contains both.

UKG Additio
UKG gets all witch abilities given that she is the despair of all magical girls basically making her a composite witch (Stated here, translation here). No Doppel abilities for her though, she doesn't contain the magical girls.

Top tiers AP upgrade
Easy enough. Final Timeline Madoka and everyone who scales from her should be "At least Planet level+, likely far higher". For reference, Madoka got 95 power boosts since she became 5-B.

The gap between low and high end 5-B is 45,5 times. If those massive power boosts are as low as a boost of 4,1% each time (Which is stupidly small) we are already in the upper half of 5-B.

Given that the boost is obviously bigger, "At least 5-B, likely far higher" is honestly the best bet. This applies to Final Timeline Madoka, False Madoka, AoC, and Ultimate Kriemhild Gretchen

Homulilly range upgrade
Here (Check episode 12 commentary). It says that Homura isn't in Japan anymore, but we know that Homulilly affected Mami and Kyoko who were in Japan. Thus her range should be "Thousands of kilometres". My intention when I wrote the screenplay was: The location is not Japan and Homura's fight just goes on. But I think it is fine for all the fans to come up with their own interpretation. There is even conjecture that "this is without doubt the world after humanity was annihilated." It is still a valid interpretation.

I'm not sure however, given that it's supposed to be up for interpretation.
 
@Kal Just want to ask you somethings:

1) Remember our PM right. Well, in that "Universal Gretchen thread" Dodo post a scan of UKG flew past Homura. How do we interprete that?

2) Same question as above, but this time involving Homulilly barrier (which is a nonexistence as far as I understand) and the fact Homu Timestop works just fine in there.
 
1) If Homura had that resistance, AoC would have it as well, which contradicts what happened.

2) Void feats are outliers unless you are a natural inhabitant. Homura's time stop working makes sense as much as Homura herself being able to move here (it doesn't)
 
Yes. If it was able to resist the curses UKG wouldn't be able to mantain the control.

It's kinda like if you suddenly gave mind resistance to someone who is being mind controlled, they would break free
 
Too bad that all the 2-A matches will become haxstomps if everything goes trough
 
Ah....

One more thing, regarding AoC stabbed Homura from six different direction...Okay, that sounds weird.

If AoC is becoming Planet level+, likely far higher. How this would affect CMG Homu dura? Essentially, she would get atomized if she recieves that level of damage right?
 
No? AP =/= AoE.

Being impaled and pushing forward is a stamina feat. A durability feat would be not being impaled after being attacked.

Just like a person who is stabbed by a sword but survived wouldn't have 9-C dura.
 
Monarch Laciel said:
On the topic of the familiar-witches, I was hoping to get details on what they are like.
Are they just clones of their original witch? Or are they completely new witches? Or what? Are there any notable familiar-witches?
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Witch
Late is better than never i guess

Took a bit longer than i expected ovo
 
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