Prototype Downgrades: Part 2

[ByAsura]

I'll put something together when I get on my computer.

 

[Elizhaa]

Ok, I got it; I will wait.

 

[ByAsura]

I can't post it for some reason. Edit: I've found a way.

Attack Potency: Building level (Should be around this level by sheer size alone, overpowered mid-game Alex Mercer. Her crimson shockwave can cover a large portion of Times Square, produced a massive crater by merely resurfacing)

Durability: Building level (Blackwatch could not harm her with regular artillery, forcing them to use armour piercing ammunition, high explosive weapons and bunker busters)

 

[Elizhaa]

Ok, I will work on it.

 

[Elizhaa]

Edits are done. Elizabeth Greene should have a speed key added for her first key since it was missing on her profile, by the way.

 

[ByAsura]

It's pretty much the same in both forms in terms of reaction and combat speed, although she's almost stationary as Mother.

 

[Elizhaa]

I think this point seems fine. I think it would be a good idea if you handled the changes since I think you have more knowledge on the matter, ByAsura.

 

[ByAsura]

I'll change the Goliaths for now. I'd like more on the speed stuff, though.

 

[Elizhaa]

No problem.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for helping out.

 

[Elizhaa]

bump

 

[DeathNoodles]

I think I've already made my points about Resistance to Biological Manipulation being re-added to Alex Mercer's profile (it still isn't in his profile) in this CRT and the previous one, which is basically the only definite change I want enacted out of this CRT.

I think it was agreed that Alex Mercer would gain resistance to Biological Manipulation, especially via resisting Bloodtox and its effects as one of the main reasons, by most of the supporters/knowledgeable members of Prototype in this series of CRTs. But I guess waiting for a couple of more inputs about that change shouldn't hurt.

 

[Elizhaa]

Yeah, I just re-read the last thread; Resistance to Biological Manipulation being re-added to Alex Mercer's profile looks agreed there. From what the reasons that I read, I am fine with Resistance to Biological Manipulation being re-added.

What is your opinions on Elizabeth Greene's speed, by the way, @DeathNoodles?

 

[DeathNoodles]

Elizabeth Greene's suggested speed looks fine. Her movement speed in Mother Form is practically nonexistent and relies on homing green energy-like orbs or other ranged attacks to attack her targets at a distance, so that seems reasonable.

 

[Elizhaa]

This view seems fair.

 

[Antvasima]

So have we reached a conclusion here?

 

[DMUA]

Do they never absorb Goliaths?

 

[Elizhaa]

So have we reached a conclusion here?

Not yet, the thread is still being discussed.

 

[Elizhaa]

Do they never absorb Goliaths?

Only James Heller looks to have done here. Considering on how James Heller endure numerous Goliath's attacks and could damage it, I would be fine with his key ending up being 8-C; I think Alex Mercer's last key should end up as 8-C, powerscaling from fighting James Heller.

I think Alex Mercer's second key should be 8-C since he easily overpowers mid-end James Heller who defeated Goliath prior to consumption.

 

[DMUA]

Right

Yeah this'll be fine

 

[Sir_sun_man]

yeah so 8C mercer and heller

also we still need to discuss how we should scale their devestators because those have consitent 8B scaling(heller destroying hives that are about the size of a city block and the final devestator at the end of p2 which just through sheer size would be 8B)

 

[Sir_sun_man]

also should the 8C key scale to the Supreme Hunter since he was shown to be considrebly above end game mercer

 

[Elizhaa]

also should the 8C key scale to the Supreme Hunter since he was shown to be considrebly above end game mercer

I doubt it; 9-A is a large tier where the Attack Potency gap from baseline to the highest 9-A is a 50-time difference so I don't think Supreme Hunter would be 8-C since Mercer should be around baseline 9-A.

Tier	Level	Energy in Conventional Terms	Energy in Tonnes of TNT Equivalent	Energy in Joules	High End to Low End ratio
9-A	Small Building	0.005 Tons to 0.25 Tons	5x10-3 to 2.5x10-1	2.092x107 to 1.046x109	50x

 

[Sir_sun_man]

also should the 8C key scale to the Supreme Hunter since he was shown to be considrebly above end game mercer

I doubt it; 9-A is a large tier where the Attack Potency gap from baseline to the highest 9-A is a 50-time difference so I don't think Supreme Hunter would be 8-C since Mercer should be around baseline 9-A.

Tier	Level	Energy in Conventional Terms	Energy in Tonnes of TNT Equivalent	Energy in Joules	High End to Low End ratio
9-A	Small Building	0.005 Tons to 0.25 Tons	5x10-3 to 2.5x10-1	2.092x107 to 1.046x109	50x

eh mercer is quite a bit above baseline since he was able to tank a hellfire missile while half dead at the start of the game

he is most likely a few times stronger then that by the end of the game

but yeah i suppose the supreme hunter should stay 9A for now

 

[Elizhaa]

Ok, I understand.

 

[Sir_sun_man]

We still need to talk about how we should scale the devestators since in p2 they are capable of leveling city block sized hives and in p1 they can destroy large parts of buildings

 

[Sir_sun_man]

actually wait a second how much force would be required to oblitirate an M1 Abramas

 

[ByAsura]

We've already discussed this in the last thread.

 

[Antvasima]

@ByAsura

So what should we do here?

 

[ByAsura]

I'd like more input on the speed.

 

[Sir_sun_man]

alex mercer(3 keys)

speed: Subsonic movement speed (capable of outrunning most veichles in game which includes AH-64Apache) with Supersonic+ reaction and combat speed (capable of reacting to and dodgeing shells fired from an M1 Abrams)/ at least Subsonic movement speed with at least Supersonic+ reaction and combat speed (has consumed many powerful infected and became stronger and faster then before but to an unknown extent)/ at least Subsonic movement speed with at least Supersonic+ likely Hypersonic reaction and combat speed ( has become even stronger in the two years since prototype 1 and has consumed 8 powerful evolved becoming even faster then before)

 

[Sir_sun_man]

We've already discussed this in the last thread.

i mean where would it place him on the 9A scale is it 0.1 tons of tnt or?

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

It feels weird that end of P2 Mercer is weaker than Elizabeth Greene.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

It feels weird that end of P2 Mercer is weaker than Elizabeth Greene.

He really shouldn't be.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Heller's body was also intact after a room full of infected human bodies were literally vaporized. 15:00

 

[Sir_sun_man]

well im pretty sure we already discussed that he will be 8C due to the fact that he is stronger then heller who consumed a goliath

 

[Elizhaa]

It feels weird that end of P2 Mercer is weaker than Elizabeth Greene.

Ah, his Prototype 2 keys should be updated soon scaling to James Heller who could fight and eventually defeat a Goliaths; James Heller's profile would get updated to 8-C for obvious reasons.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Beginning of P2 Heller should be 8-C at his lowest for the reason I stated above.

 

[Elizhaa]

alex mercer(3 keys)
speed: Subsonic movement speed (capable of outrunning most veichles in game which includes AH-64Apache) with Supersonic+ reaction and combat speed (capable of reacting to and dodgeing shells fired from an M1 Abrams)/ at least Subsonic movement speed with at least Supersonic+ reaction and combat speed (has consumed many powerful infected and became stronger and faster then before but to an unknown extent)/ at least Subsonic movement speed with at least Supersonic+ likely Hypersonic reaction and combat speed ( has become even stronger in the two years since prototype 1 and has consumed 8 powerful evolved becoming even faster then before)

I think something like those speed rating to could work; the appropriate speed key would be use to powerscaling the other characters's speed rating in the verse.

 

[Elizhaa]

What are eveyone else opinions on the speed rating?