Didn't Nejire only damage him once he had been majorly thrashed by 100% Deku and Endeavor's Flashfire? At that point his body wasn't even regenerating fully. (And she only really damaged him in a combo move with Shoto)
I've always backed a 5-6x multiper based on the movie graph
Any comments on the arguments for the 60x multiplier so far? It is the main point of the thread after all and the graph has a few factors that make it about as backed up as the punch feat.
You have the sequence of events backwards. The flashback and his heart popping comes a page before he gets hit by Shigaraki.
No it doesn't. That's just explaining how his quirk evolved, it spread to his entire body instead of only his palms. You're making a big assumption. Whilst shigaraki takes credit for bakugos death, it's pretty straightforward.
Btw what's your reasoning for preferring the 5-6× multiplier over the 60× one?
Ah, you’re correct I had the sequence wrong. But your logic is still massively flawed.
I… don’t follow this debunk at all.
That seems extremely arbitrary and much more complex than the straightforward answer. The nomus quirk is shock absorption but obviously it has a limit, it took allmight 300 punches to accumulate enough energy to surpass that limit but in his prime it would have taken him 5. 300÷5=60. Allmight in his prime was 60× stronger.
Well it doesn't work like that and I would argue the 60× multiplier is much more direct than the 5× multiplier and also one is from the manga and one is from a movie. Both are canon but the manga obviously takes precedence if there's contradicting statements. So why go for the 5× multiplier?
Yes! Finally. People on this site will obviously always gravitate on the lower multiplier and ignore the higher one even if both are equally as reasonable or if the higher has even better arguments.
Bruh
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There is no punch scaling or doubling, it’s a direct comparison of output.
The multiplier standard is that it needs to be directly stated by a reliable source. We can all agree that allmight is a reliable source so that's out of the way, now is that a direct statement of a multiplier? YES, inherently so. 300÷5 = 60. What does equal mean? It means that those things are the exact same thing just written differently. 300÷5 IS 60, they're the same thing just written differently. It is a direct statement. He explicitly says it would have taken him 5 punches in his prime but it took him over 300 rn. Isn't ignoring that just being disingenuous? If someone says "It would have taken me 5 seconds to cross that distance in my prime but rn it took me 50" wouldn't we all agree that in their prime that person would have been 10× faster? We're just playing word games by dismissing such an obvious thing just because it's not a completely direct exact statement of allmight saying "Yes I was 60× stronger in my prime!" This is also explicitly different from just a power level change. I also don't see how the 5× multiplier is more valid but that's for another discussion and we need to stop bringing it up.For me I don't agree because I have problem with the punches scaling like that and also due to the multiplier standards.
Multipliers come from direct statements instead of being reasoned from something else. That means, for example, that if a verse has powerlevels or statistics, the doubling of a statistic or power level should not be concluded to correspond to the power of the character doubling, unless it is clearly specified to work that way.
Multipliers
A multiplier is generally some number a different number is multiplied with to get a new number. For our VS Battles use we more specifically refer to a number as multiplier, if that number is multiplied with some statistic of a character or its attacks to get a new statistic for the character...
First you should clear that up and whether it falls under that rule.
That's why I believe the other multiplier is better.
Basically, yeah.
So statements such as "It would have taken me 5 seconds to cross that distance in my prime but rn it took me 50" can't be used and are just going to be ignored despite being completely direct straightforward simple statements?
i find that incredibly arbitrary and unnecessary considering the method through which he is drawing the comparison.
Yes, so the multiplier is a lowball. Specifically the Nomu took 304 punches at the very least counting the ones it took before the punch rush began (305 counting 5% Deku but come on).
It functions as a defense. It blocks Weakened Might's 100% attacks. So he punches harder than his 100% to bypass the shock it can absorb.
This isn't contradictory to the premise of the debunk.
The debunk already addresses this. I believe I don't have to reiterate it.
I'll mimic your surprise and ask you, why are you asking why the Plus Ultra matters? It's quite literally how All Might beat the USJ Nomu, he went beyond his 100% in each punch to overpower the shock absorption.
It was able to absorb All Might's 100% punches.
We saw its limit when All Might surpassed it by going Plus Ultra.
It's actually a very simple, basic concept.
The flaw of this premise is that you're treating the Shock Absorption Quirk as if it works like Tengai's barrier, like it's a shield that needs to be chipped away.
When is it stated that his Plus Ultra punches are getting through the shock absorption? All they’re doing is adding to the total, not getting through it, it is never stated that his Plus Ultra is actually damaging the Nomu. Him punching at Plus Ultra and at normal do the same thing: the Nomu tanks it and does not move. It is only after the Shock absorption is gone that he knocks it out and pushed it back.
Thank you for responding to all that, would have taken me ages to type a response.
