Pre-FVC Downstreamers vs The Disembodied Thought

[Colonel_Krukov]

Downstreamers vs Disembodied Thought

Rules:

• 3-A versions
• Standard Battle Assumptions
• Speed is equal

Disembodied Thought: 0 ()

Downstreamers: 0 ()

Inconclusive: 0 ()

Bump counter: 1

Character Stats

Is this the beginning? Where do I come from? When did this start?

Powers and Stats
Tier: Varies from 11-B to High 3-A

Name: Disembodied Thought

Origin: Everything

Gender: Inapplicable

Age: Unknown

Classification: Disembodied Sentient Thought

Powers and Abilities: Non-Corporeal, Possession, Immortality (Types 1 and 6), Telepathy, Duplication, Flight, Shapeshifting, Size Manipulation, Matter Manipulation, Gravity Manipulation, Can survive in space in any form, potentially many other abilities depending on what it is possessing or what form it has taken

Attack Potency: Varies from Line level (Can possess 1-Dimensional Feedback Spheres) to High Universe level (Can continuously possess larger and larger universes infinitely. The physical universe of Everything is smaller than a quark which resides within another universe which is smaller than a quark which resides within another universe which continues this loop infinitely) depending on what it is possessing or what form it has taken

Speed: Varies from None to Infinite, likely Omnipresent depending on what it is possessing or what form it has taken

Lifting Strength: Varies from None to Infinite depending on what it is possessing or what form it has taken

Striking Strength: Varies from None to High Universal depending on what it is possessing or what form it has taken

Durability: Varies from Line level to High Universe level depending on what it is possessing or what form it has taken

Stamina: Limitless (While the thing it possesses may or may not be capable of becoming tired, the Disembodied Thought itself is incapable of exhaustion)

Range: Varies from standard melee range to universal depending on what it is possessing or what form it has taken

Standard Equipment: Varies depending on what it is possessing or what form it has taken

Intelligence: Nigh-Omniscient (Has complete knowledge of everything that exists in the universe and complete knowledge of the philosophical nature of the universe itself)

Weaknesses: None notable

Notable Attacks/Techniques:

• Possession: The Disembodied Thought is able to transfer its consciousness into virtually anything that exists, regardless of size, composition, or sentience. Once it possesses something it can also possess anything around it and have them follow it without question. There is no limit to how many things the Disembodied Thought can possess at any given time. It can also release things it possesses in this manner at any given time.

• Shapeshifting: At any time, the Disembodied Thought can shift to any form it has already previously inhabited, though this form will be scaled appropriately to the current scale it is at (For example, taking the form of a planet in the middle of a street will produce a miniature-sized planet).

• Duplication: The Disembodied Thought is able to create perfect duplicates of whatever it is possessing.

• Size-Shifting: The Disembodied Thought can change its size to be anywhere from 1-Dimensional to infinite in size (By 3-Dimensional standards). It can also do this to whatever else it is possessing or any duplicates it has made.

The purpose of humankind - the first intelligence of all - had been to reshape the universe in order to bud others and create a storm of mind. We got it wrong, he thought. By striving for a meaningless eternity, humans denied true infinity. But we reached back, back in time, back to the far upstream, and spoke to our last children - the maligned Blues - and we put it right. This is what it meant to be alone in the universe, to be the first. We had all of infinite time and space in our hands. We had ultimate responsibility. And we discharged it. We were parents of the universe, not its children.
	~ A quote from Manifold: Time​

Powers and Stats
Tier: 3-A

Name: Downstreamers, Old Ones, Ancestors of the Afterglow

Origin: Manifold trilogy

Gender: Unknown

Age: More than 10^117 years old

Classification: Hyperadvanced posthuman civilization, neutrino/quantum consciousness/informational beings

Powers and Abilities: Acausality, Abstract Existence, Regenerationn (High-Godly, can even 'regenerate' into more powerful form after their neutrino/quantum consciousness/informational form was destroyed in Manifoldverse's collapse), Time Manipulation, Immortality (Type 1), Causality Manipulation (They transcend causality and could alter causality on multiversal scale), Omniscience, Matter Manipulation, Physics Manipulation, Spaceflight, Teleportation, Non-Corporeal, Probability Manipulation, Creation, Quantum Manipulation, Portal Creation, Time Travel, Mathematics Manipulation, Reality Warping

Attack Potency: Universe level (can create material out of their thought that could tank thousand big bangs per second. Similarly, they possess weapons capable of carving giant holes on a construct trillion times bigger than our current observable universe. Said construct is made of same material that could effortlessly tank thousand big bangs)

Speed: Massively FTL+ Reaction time (Their non-corporeal forms include Causal Loop computer that essentially make them know things before they happen), Massively FTL+ Travel speed (They have FTL ships to transport lesser races. And they can materialize Time Portals any when and anywhere across Manifoldverse)

Lifting Strength: Unknow

Striking Strength: Unknow

Durability: Universe level (Some Downstreamers, who don't come from the 'time of Afterglow' are born from naked singularity, similarly, they could survive even when exposed to naked singularity on close proximity. Downstreamers can create material out of their thought that could tank thousand big bangs per second. Further, said material is completely immune to any change in laws of physics and the material and Downstreamers themselves could even survive long past heat death)

Stamina: Unknow

Range: Astronomical (Pre-FVC Downstreamers are described to be a 'light-year wide' in size)

Standard Equipment: None notable

Intelligence: Omniscient (know every state a universe could take, down to quantum level. Their 'brain' is Causal Loop computer, which grants them infinite processing power)

Weaknesses: Dependent on energy (mainly from Black Holes). If they are in a universe in a time approaching heat death, it took more than gigaeons for Downstreamers to form a single thought because they have no Black Holes to draw the energy required to sustain their more powerful abilities

Technology:

• Red Moon: It is a moon-sized construct that wandering through Manifoldverse to transport humans from different universes to empty universes. It can travel to infinite number of universes under finite time through use of phase space (higher-dimensional engineering). It could affect probability through quantum tunneling.

• Refugium: A universe-sized construct built around cosmic strings, which is created as a shelter of sorts to all different kind of organisms. All sections have bubbles tailored to suit all kind of organisms' needs.

• Planetarium: It is simulation system with a purpose to project a generated reality surrounding the solar system, perfectly undetectable. The planetarium is a perfect simulation down to the quantum level, requiring more energy than a galaxy. It's implied that this was just another experiment of the Downstreamers, resolving the Fermi Paradox in a certain universe by creating this false reality to protect humanity.

Notable Attacks/Techniques:

• Time Portals: Pre-FVC Downstreamers can materialize material of molded spacetime out of their thought at will. The material can be used to time travel and for defensive purposes (it can tank thousand big bangs effortlessly and is still intact even past heat death of the universe. It can also deploy a field around selected area and allows Downstreamers to freely change the laws of physics inside it).

• Unreality Wave: It mix all different possible states of a universe from phase space until the universe is completely destroyed.

• Timeline Alteration: It allows Pre-FVC Downstreamers to change timelines of at least 1000 different non-causally connected universes at the same time.

 

[Colonel_Krukov]

Bump

 

[WeeklyBattles]

What powers do the Pre-FVC Downstreamers have? The ones listed appear to be ones that both Pre and Post have

 

[Colonel_Krukov]

I'm not 100% sure

 

[Colonel_Krukov]

Question: What do we assume the Disembodied Thought is possessing for it to be tiered?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

It can technically possess anything and make it any tier from 11-B to High 3-A via its size shifting

 

[Colonel_Krukov]

Kk, so it's just possessing anything and is High 3-A via size?

Still don't know about them Downstreamer abilities

All I can work out is:

Acausality, Abstract Existence, Regenerationn (High-Godly, can even 'regenerate' into more powerful form after their neutrino/quantum consciousness/informational form was destroyed in Manifoldverse's collapse), Time Manipulation, Immortality (Type 1), Omniscience, Matter Manipulation, Physics Manipulation, Spaceflight, Teleportation, Non-Corporeal, Probability Manipulation, Creation, Quantum Manipulation, Portal Creation, Time Travel, Mathematics Manipulation, Reality Warping

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Eeyup, and when I say it can possess anything, I mean ANYTHING, like it can possess things without form like wind and outer space, can possess matter far beyond the quark level, pretty much anything that's not time or a soul it can possess, it can even override another's consciousness via mass possession.

Though, with their Regenerationn, does it apply to them regenerating into their Pre-PVC form or do they only regenerate into their Post-PVC form?

Also I just noticed that speed is unequalized, in which case the DT blitzes

 

[Colonel_Krukov]

I'll equalise speed. Should've noticed that :/

Going by the text, it sounds like they regenerate into to their Post-PVC form, although it's not exactly clear. The former seems unfair though.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Yeah that's what i thought, though im not super familiar with the Downstreamers so im not 100% sure if thats the case...Could the DT just possess the Downstreamer?

 

[Colonel_Krukov]

I don't see any resistance to possession, so I don't see why not.

Is it me or is this a stomp?

 

[ProspectX]

Stomp because of possession? Meanwhile downstreamers outclass DT in the hax department, quantum manipulation and probablity manipulation.

DT might have it's profile incomplete though.

 

[Palaeocene.epoch1]

is this fight against individual downsteamer or whole civilization? not that it'd make any difference I think considering how powerful disembodied thought is.

in downtimers page I see in pre-fvc-thing they have three versions of drblity : universal, high-complexversal and high-hyperversal drblty. I assume we use the universal one? because 'high-godly regen+high-hyperversal drblity = unkillable downsteamer'

but is high-godly regen relevant? even if downstreamer regen over and over again, because DT have possession after all.

DT's possession sounds broken. but downstreamer have omniscience to make them aware and counter any attempt to **** them up in the past-present-future. but DT have nigh-omniscient too, so they kinda cancel each other.

i dont see any counter to DT's possession though... actually, maybe with its reality-warping downsteamer can alter timelines to negate any change that is disadvantageous to them. but if DT can get even one 'hit'. gg downstreamer.

but downstreamer is omniscient (precognitive?), know everything and would reality warp timelines from million years away to counter enemy's moves.

but DT is also omniscient, one with universe and does not have reliancy on energy like downsreamer.

it seems DT have many advantages over downstreamer. I'd vote for DT then.