Post-Katakuri Base Luffy revision

[Eseseso]

OK, so I have some issues with how Post-Katakuri Luffy is scaled, mainly relative to his performance against Base Katakuri.

Mainly, Post-Katakuri Base Luffy fought Base Katakuri for a very long period of time, holding his own and even damaging Katakuri during their brawl (which IIRC lasted somewhere like 2 hours before Luffy pulled out Snakeman).

Yes Katakuri was injured, but Luffy was no doubt in as bad shape, if not worse shape at that point due to how much Katakuri had beaten the crap out of him.

And this parry wasn't short, it was for IIRC 2 hours between base Luffy and base Katakuri.

The question is, how should we scale Post-Katakuri Base Luffy?

1. Make him just scale below Base Katakuri's 312 megaton scaling (since they matched each other for a long time)?

2. Make him scale above Pre-Katakuri Gear 2nd (122.6 megatons) due to doing a better job against Katakuri?

3. Do a sort of repeat of what we did for Backscaling the 7-A+ people from Gear 4th Luffy and backscale Luffy to Baseline 7-A (100 megatons)?

 

[Nierre]

Mainly, Post-Katakuri Base Luffy fought Base Katakuri for a very long period of time, holding his own and even damaging Katakuri during their brawl (which IIRC lasted somewhere like 2 hours before Luffy pulled out Snakeman).

Yes Katakuri was injured, but Luffy was no doubt in as bad shape, if not worse shape at that point due to how much Katakuri had beaten the crap out of him.

Scans?

 

[KingTempest]

Luffy comes to fight Katakuri.
When round 2 goes on, this is how the fight goes.

1. Katakuri and Luffy start the fight off with wounds from their previous battle.
2. Luffy throws punches at Katakuri, he dodges casually.
3. We cut to their fight in the future, where the spectators basically imply that Katakuri is washing,
   1. "Another day of pristine, cool perfection from brother Katakuri" -Flampe
   2. Luffy is breathing extremely heavy.
4. Flampe says that she doesn't like the fact that Katakuri is struggling.
   1. They counter and say that he's not struggling, it's just that Luffy's endurance is crazy, and he's taken so many extremely heavy hits over and over.
5. We see that here, he's dodging his attacks, then he gets hit and spits out blood. Even without Haki, he molly whops him.
6. Luffy gets up, he gets knocked down. he starts to punch, he gets punched. Basically, he's getting washed skill wise.
7. Katakuri explains above, then he throws a huge punch at Luffy, which Luffy counters with Gear 3rd.
8. Luffy has a lump on his face from the fight.
9. Later, Luffy gets hit with Flampe's needle and gets a chunk of his body ripped out.
10. Katakuri runs to that Luffy and kicks him into a pillar. Then he chases him and punches him, a lot.

Then Katakuri stabs himself.

1. So when their fight resumes, Luffy comes and gets his advanced Kenbun.
2. He then starts blocking punches with Koka, which still hurt.
3. Burning Mochi violates him.
4. Luffy then rockets out in a Gear 2nd esque motion, might be base though, and with Armament Haki, draws blood from a No Armament Kata.
5. Katakuri washes him.
6. Luffy goes snakeman.

I fail to see anything solid other than point 14, done to a Katakuri who impaled himself.

So yeah, no scaling

 

[Nierre]

Luffy then rockets out in a Gear 2nd esque motion, might be base though, and with Armament Haki, draws blood from a No Armament Kata.

Looks like base to me.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

I agree with KT.

 

[Eseseso]

Luffy comes to fight Katakuri.
When round 2 goes on, this is how the fight goes.

1. Katakuri and Luffy start the fight off with wounds from their previous battle.
2. Luffy throws punches at Katakuri, he dodges casually.
3. We cut to their fight in the future, where the spectators basically imply that Katakuri is washing,
   1. "Another day of pristine, cool perfection from brother Katakuri" -Flampe
   2. Luffy is breathing extremely heavy.
4. Flampe says that she doesn't like the fact that Katakuri is struggling.
   1. They counter and say that he's not struggling, it's just that Luffy's endurance is crazy, and he's taken so many extremely heavy hits over and over.
5. We see that here, he's dodging his attacks, then he gets hit and spits out blood. Even without Haki, he molly whops him.
6. Luffy gets up, he gets knocked down. he starts to punch, he gets punched. Basically, he's getting washed skill wise.
7. Katakuri explains above, then he throws a huge punch at Luffy, which Luffy counters with Gear 3rd.
8. Luffy has a lump on his face from the fight.
9. Later, Luffy gets hit with Flampe's needle and gets a chunk of his body ripped out.
10. Katakuri runs to that Luffy and kicks him into a pillar. Then he chases him and punches him, a lot.

Then Katakuri stabs himself.

1. So when their fight resumes, Luffy comes and gets his advanced Kenbun.
2. He then starts blocking punches with Koka, which still hurt.
3. Burning Mochi violates him.
4. Luffy then rockets out in a Gear 2nd esque motion, might be base though, and with Armament Haki, draws blood from a No Armament Kata.
5. Katakuri washes him.
6. Luffy goes snakeman.

I fail to see anything solid other than point 14, done to a Katakuri who impaled himself.

So yeah, no scaling

What about Backscaling Base Luffy to Baseline 7-A for things such as point 14? I mean, he did draw blood from Katakuri. Or just saying he did better than a pre-Katakuri Gear 2nd?

Remember, Luffy had also been impaled by Katakuri thanks to being distracted by Flampe.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

I agree with KT

 

[KingTempest]

What about Backscaling Base Luffy to Baseline 7-A for things such as point 14? I mean, he did draw blood from Katakuri. Or just saying he did better than a pre-Katakuri Gear 2nd?

Remember, Luffy had also been impaled by Katakuri thanks to being distracted by Flampe.

This is either gonna be an outlier for Luffy or an antifeat for Katakuri.
Katakuri kicked the shit out of Luffy in point 5. Same Luffy who's durability scales above his AP damn near all the time and usually scales to his other gears.

You deadass just want to backscale off of a single feat caused to an injured character.

 

[Eseseso]

This is either gonna be an outlier for Luffy or an antifeat for Katakuri.
Katakuri kicked the shit out of Luffy in point 5. Same Luffy who's durability scales above his AP damn near all the time and usually scales to his other gears.

You deadass just want to backscale off of a single feat caused to an injured character.

Isn't this similar to us backscaling the 7-A+ people from Gear 4?

And Luffy was as injured if not MOarE injured than Kata was.

And the fact remains that he still drew blood from Kata.

 

[KingTempest]

Isn't this similar to us backscaling the 7-A+ people from Gear 4?

No, because those people backscale off of dura

And Luffy was as injured if not MOarE injured than Kata was.

People take damage different, which is why Kata went down after taking significantly less hits

And the fact remains that he still drew blood from Kata.

A Kata who scales to Luffy's far higher forms.

We're not backscaling Luffy from someone stronger than his higher forms

 

[Jibz]

Luffy vs Kata --> rel when Luffy uses gears

Yet Luffy is meant to somehow scale to Kata who bodywashed when Luffy wasn't using gears (like 99% of the time) in base. Nope

 

[Eseseso]

How about just scaling post Katakuri base Luffy above pre Katakuri Gear 2nd (122.596 megatons) due to him doing a better job against Katakuri?

 

[Eminiteable]

Isn't the only reason he did better than gear 2nd is that he could now see the future and land hits of Kat.

 

[Jibz]

How about just scaling post Katakuri base Luffy above pre Katakuri Gear 2nd (122.596 megatons) due to him doing a better job against Katakuri?

The "better job" was due to him being able to see the future

 

[Eseseso]

Ok that's actually a fair point.

But then how can we determine how much stronger Luffy got in Base from the Katakuri fight?

 

[KingTempest]

"Unquantifiably higher".

You don't need to upgrade someone in every damn key

 

[Eseseso]

You don't need to upgrade someone in every damn key

I feel personally attacked.

But in all seriousness that is true but still a bummer, especially since we know that Luffy DID get stronger during the fight we just don't know by how much,

 

[Eseseso]

Didn't Gear 2 with Red Hawk match a punch from normal Katakuri before they went into the Mirror world?

 

[KingTempest]

Katakuri with an extended Mochi fist

 

[KingTempest]

If you don't have anything solid then we'll close this.
This isn't a opportunity to powercliff Luffy's forms.