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Possibly High 2-A Lavos (and/or a new bad ending key)

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The real cal howard said:
@Ever. Yet Blaze is 5-B, 682 is 4-B, and quite a few people who say the can destroy things don't do so as they're defeated prior.

And it's not like Lavos didn't have the potential to absorb Serge as the Time Devourer anyway.
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Blaze? From Mortal Kombat? He fought Shao Kahn, that's canon...
 
It's in the same vein of Cell being 4-B. It's not like he couldn't do it right then. It's that he didn't get the chance. Zamasu on the other hand couldn't perform a 2-C feat right at that moment.
 
FateAlbane said:
Finally, TD being capable of absorbing Serge is not a possibility, it's a fact. That never happened, yes, but hey, people like Boros never busted the planet yet it's accepted they could because the guide and the story says so.
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Yes, it can absorb Serge and Chrono Cross, but was unable to do so in the canon story because it was defeated. Boros on the other hand was going to possibly destroy the planet, which Saitama stopped before it happened, understand?.
 
But it not happened and the other verses, which have ap ipotitical ap from something that did not happened in canon will be removed.

Vegeta never busted a planet, Boros didn't either. Downgrade time it seems
 
Dark649 said:
Yes, it can absorb Serge and Chrono Cross, but was unable to do so in the canon story because it was defeated. Boros on the other hand was going to possibly destroy the planet, which Saitama stopped before it happened, understand?.
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That's... That's literally what happened?

Lavos could absorb Serge along with the Chrono Cross and the Frozen Flame (which was already a part of him to begin with), but never did because he was stopped...? That's the exact same thing.
 
Kaltias said:
Vegeta never busted a planet, Boros didn't either. Downgrade time it seems
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I did not specified that it depends on the situation, these things were going to happe, but were stopped in time.
 
I'm agreeing with Fate and Kal here tbh.

Saying "It didn't happen" when the game says that it very well "could have happened" doesn't seem to be right.
 
Wait, if the Chrono Cross alone wasn't enough to beat Lavos, then why he isn't "possibly High 2-A" already? Fate pointed out that Serge needed a bunch of other shenanigans do beat the thing, and (again) the Chrono Cross alone wasn't enough, so.... What's the problem with "Possibly High 2-A"?
 
I need to clarify the situation.

If 2-A Lavos absorbed the possibly High 2-A Chrono Cross in the canon, then it can get the rating. But if that did not happened in the canon story, then we won't apply as it was the same as Zamasu becoming 2-C.
 
As Ultima pointed out, I feel like EoS Serge wouldn't cannonically need help and to channel the thing's own powers against it on top of the Chrono Cross if said artifact alone would be enough to beat it.

Anyways, I feel like I discussed this too much already, considering that frankly speaking, I do not care about what we get out of this (for comparison, I told Cal way before this was even made that I'm comfortable with whatever tier and that's why I would not be making this revision).

So I rest my case. Just wanted to point out any misconceptions, is all..

Despite all the points I made... I remain Neutral.
 
Dark649 said:
I need to clarify the situation.
If 2-A Lavos absorbed the possibly High 2-A Chrono Cross in the canon, then it can get the rating. But if that did not happened in the canon story, then we won't apply as it was the same as Zamasu becoming 2-C.
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Nitpick, but we should be removing Planet Level Boros and everyone who said they could do something but didn't because plot, if that's the only reasoning for debunking this whole thing.
 
I'm going to close this, it seems you both don't understand what i was referring for.
 
Please tell me the difference. Vegeta was consistently stated to be able to bust the planet, but was stopped beforehand.

Lavos is stated to be able to absorb a "at least 2-A, possibly High 2-A" thing, and it was stopped beforehand
 
I'm all for case-by-case, but if two cases are identical but the result isn't, it becomes dangerously close to a double standard
 
I'm going to make a simple examples, so the Admins and Users could understand better what we can use:

- If a characters was going to destroy something, which a non-canon ending/statements/databooks confirms how much it destroyed and calced. [We can use this]

- If we make characters/part a verse, which is not-canon on the canon universe. [Example DB movie characters]

- etc.

What we cannot use:

- If a character was going too absorb something and gain a new form in a non-canon ending, because in the canon story it was not unable to do so.
 
So, do we remove Ultimecia's tier 2 because she didnt fully absorbe the timeline? And there isnt a canon ending in which she does?
 
@Dark Why not though. We at this time have enough information to make a solid tier. I could understand if absorbing something granted unknown effects, but we basically know how strong he'd be and what he could do with it. We can simply write a note at the bottom of the page explaining the situation.
 
Better examples:

- Tremor defeated Shinnok and became 5-B because he was stated to rival 5-B Fujin and Raiden, but in the canon story he never fought nor defeated Shinnok.

- Lavos absorbs Serge and the Chrono Cross becoming At least 2-A, possibly High 2-A, but it was not able to absorb them in the canon story because it was defeated.
 
Dark649 said:
- Lavos absorbs Serge and the Chrono Cross becoming At least 2-A, possibly High 2-A, but it was not able to absorb them in the canon story because it was defeated.
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Try 5-B. The situation is the same. Was going to do it, can do it, everyone knows this, but is stopped beforehand
 
>>> Fate gives up on saying that the absorption isn't even the only reason why the OP suggested that he gets the possible scaling as said possibly High 2-A artifact wasn't enough to beat it by itself and they channeled its own power against it
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as well via the Frozen Flame.


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We're also ignoring the point that said High 2-A object contains a large portion of Lavos' power...
 
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