Possible Star Wars (Disney canon) speed revision?

[Hop_Hoppington-Hoppenhiemer]

I was looking around the Star Wars pages and checking links and calcs. But then I saw something that got me worried. Now, I don't know what this means, but I did want to ask.

So there's a calc on NarutoForums that was accepted (cause it's right) here, and after doing some digging, I saw that he calced something out of the book/novelization (the user says it's from it "RotS novelisation said:", and I can confirm it is since I own a copy).

Side note: For those that aren't aware, Star Wars is one of the few movie sagas that didn't start as a book, and the books aren't considered the main canon. Up until a certain point, all content within these novelizations was as canon as the films.

However the publisher and authors are saying (on twitter ) that parts of the books that don't line up with what happens on screen isn't canon. And in the opening scene (I recently watched Revenge of the Sith, and that's what inspired me to look at profiles on here) the characters don't mention the manuever or seem to perform the one described in the book. So from what I can tell, the calc is okay, but the thing it's from might remove it from the canon.

What do you think? Should we ignore it?

Personally, I have a feeling Disney just wants to be controlling of the way and details of the series, and indirectly this effects us and what we have (and use) to put stats on characters.

 

[Antvasima]

You can ask The Everlasting to provide input here if you wish.

 

[Hop_Hoppington-Hoppenhiemer]

I did in the past, I am aware he disregards this but I don't recall the reason why

 

[Hop_Hoppington-Hoppenhiemer]

Bump.

 

[Hop_Hoppington-Hoppenhiemer]

Bump.

 

[Archnyx]

Was that scenario present in later novelizations?

 

[Hop_Hoppington-Hoppenhiemer]

What do you mean? I think there is only reprints with different covers in the book. Don't think there are revisions.

I don't think the Slip Jaws manuever is canon if that's what you're asking. Never explicitaly stated, and unless this scene or the script has it stated in there somewhere.

 

[Antvasima]

I will inform The Everlasting about this thread.

 

[The_Everlasting]

I'm not 100% sure if the events looking different are what the authors meant by that, just that it's referring to scenes not present in the original movie aren't canon.

ChaosTheory would know more about this than me, if anyone's able to message him on Narutoforums.

 

[Antvasima]

I do not visit Narutoforums. It would risk to create too much controversy.

 

[Hop_Hoppington-Hoppenhiemer]

If we can contact him and get some advice on and see what he thinks. Maybe it counts, maybe it doesn't, and as much as a fan, I don't want to start disputing such a widespread thing so soon.

 

[Lina_Shields]

I believe the novel feats are being considered over the movies themselves because:

• Novels allow authors to fit in more information compared to movies.
• All the stuff that was shown in the movie happen within the novels anyways, and the stuff added into the novels are minor.

The novels just contain more information that were not shown during the film, that is why the novels > movies.

 

[Hop_Hoppington-Hoppenhiemer]

I believe the novel feats are being considered over the movies themselves because:

• Novels allow authors to fit in more information compared to movies.
• All the stuff that was shown in the movie happen within the novels anyways, and the stuff added into the novels are minor.

Not disagreeing, but if it turns out the calced scene isn't canon (or in the movie at all), why can't we just use it for the EU/Legends version and not the true canon?

You are right, but it's like using the DBZ anime to calc and get a stat for the manga version of DBZ. It probably won't be too far off, but still, the Broly movie isn't canon if we go by what Toriyama was invovled with. I think a staff member has a blog on canon and uses this DBZ example, too.

 

[Lina_Shields]

If we are going to use the feat for legends canon, the feat is actually unnecessary because the feat itself is well below Anakin's speed in EU [Relativistic+].

I am not sure if the calculation itself is relevant if we can't use it for the canon version of Anakin.

Also, I need some clarification on the speed of those blaster bolts. Are you sure they have a certain speed, or are they moving at the speed of light?

 

[Hop_Hoppington-Hoppenhiemer]

Don't know, blaster speeds vary, but I'm ssure based off weaker canon characters like Kylo Ren. Jedi like Ani and Obi-Wan are at least above him. This should apply for Luke and the other Jedi/Sith characters in canon.

 

[Lina_Shields]

Speaking of which, Jedi like Anakin and Obi-Wan are 7-C minimum based on this calculatio , but keep in mind that Darth Vader also has a calculation that places him at High 7-A.

Anakin also has a calc that places him at Low 7-B , which is shown here.

If these calcs are accepted, should be scale all the Jedi based on Anakin's feat, or Darth Vader's feat?

 

[Antvasima]

Well, Anakin/Vader is a lot stronger than regular Jedi, but if the calculations have been accepted, I suppose thst ones of comparable power can be scaled from the Vader feat.

 

[Hop_Hoppington-Hoppenhiemer]

Oddly, Anakin and Vader are the same person, they aren't really the same character after Episode 3. Well, that's more of a fan's excuse.

Really, they should be the same profile, with keys, for each version.

 

[Lina_Shields]

Personally, due to the sheer difference between Anakin and Darth Vader [from their appearance, abilities, right down to their fighting styles], it is best that they should be considered two different characters.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, as two different incarnations of the same character. I am fine with different profiles though.

 

[Hop_Hoppington-Hoppenhiemer]

Hmm, I suppose that's fine.

But back on track, has anyone contacted another knowledgeable member about this?

 

[Lina_Shields]

Chaos does not respond on NF very often, but I'll send him a PM. Aparajita and Everlasting could provide input here on whether the Jedi should be scaled to Darth Vader...

 

[Hop_Hoppington-Hoppenhiemer]

Oh, and ask if the speed calc can be used for canon or not, please.

 

[Lina_Shields]

Keep in mind that OBD already accepted the speed calculations that Chaos did in regards to the prequel novels, so OBD should be okay with using the speed given on their site.

I will as Everlasting and Aparajita, although I don't see any issue in using feats from the prequel novels as canon seeing that the novels are meant to only add in details about the things they weren't able to show in the movies.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, if the OBD are okay with it, there should probably not be a problem.

 

[Hop_Hoppington-Hoppenhiemer]

Do they have a reason, and might I point out that this may not be to their attention?

 

[Hop_Hoppington-Hoppenhiemer]

Bump