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Also King i dont appreciate you purposely leaving out that Brigitte regularly fights genji to suit your own argument.
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Genji was one-shot by Doomfist in his animation.
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At the bus stop now, so this'll be my last post for the moment. I'll get to the other things later.
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At the bus stop now, so this'll be my last post for the moment. I'll get to the other things later.
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No he wasnt.
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Okay, so lets go through this point by point.
Soldier 76:
Not only has 76 tanked this and loved, but he has fought and defeated omnics on the level of Bastion and Orisa during the Omnic Crisis and fought Reaper, who did the same, in h2h combat. Im sure we can also calc the durability of the heavy assault units that Reaper and the rest of Blackwatch canonically fought and killed during their operations as well, a guy that heavy dropping out of the sky would yield some nice numbers. It should be noted that the shotgun that Jack tanked to the back is the same shotgun that Reaper used to defeat Primal Rage Winsto, the same state that defeated Doomfist, who has a direct High 8-C feat. Now as for the grenade feat, here it is for everyone to see it. The extent of the damage he took was some scorching to his jacket and blunt force trauma, not even external injury, due to tanking the explosion at point blank range letting himself be hit by it to protect Alexandria, and he then gets up and walks away with little more than a few grunts of pain. It should be noted that, for people saying that the grenade 'cant be that powerful because no-name thugs had it', not only did these guys have access to other powerful military tech like a minigun, but saying that they cant have High 8-C weapons because theyre no-name thugs is like saying Thermal Detonators from Star Wars cant be High 8-C because no-name Stormtroopers use them.
Winston Argument:
Winston was only briefly knocked out by the space pod falling directly on his head after he was not only electrocuted several times by Talon soldiers, but after being shot multiple times by Reaper's Hellfire Shotguns to the point where he was brought to his knees beforehand. And the argument that Winston cannot withstand this much weight normally is demonstrably false as Winston has swatted cars aside in the past. Case in point, the only reason he was even remotely injured by the space pod is because he was extensively injured beforehand, and even then he was only knocked out for few seconds and he was completely and totally fine afterwards.
McCree:
This one is easy actually, even watching through the video a second time its pretty damn easy to see why the argument that 'his bullets cant penetrate a sign' is pure PIS, seeing as his bullets in the same video Snapped a steel cable, which would have an immensely higher tensile strength than a street sign, oneshot an Omnic, which should be made a material at least as durable as if not more durable than a street sign (sheet aluminum, as all street signs have been made of since the early 1900s). That, on top of the fact that his gun has killed Omnics comparable to Bastio, no, his gun failing to penetrate a street sign is pure PIS. And due to the facts i posted about Winston, you have yet to prove that he would have been killed by the falling train car.
D.va 8-A?
Yes.
Now as for scaling, i agree that it needs work but its far from inaccurate tier-wise.
Bastion:
Bastion scales directly Reinhardt (Overwatch) as Bastion units directly killed crusaders on his level during the Omnic Crisis, forcing them to develop their extremely durable shield technology to beat them. That and he feared for the lives of Mercy, Torbjör, and Tracer the second that a Bastion unit showed up during Uprising, directly stating that its guns could tear them apart with ease.
Reinhardt
Spars with Brigitte on a daily basis and casually mowed through dozens of Bastion units during the Omnic Crisis, and traded blows with an and fight OR15 in the same battle. He should also be at least comparable to if not superior to the likes of Tracer, Mercy, and Torbjorn.
Brigitte:
Regularly fights Reinhardt and Genji
Roadhog
Has fought and killed Omnics comparable to Bastion, and both he and Junkrat acknowledge that he could easily kill Junkrat if he wanted to.
Junkrat
Has fought and killed Omnics on the level of Bastion and is capable of harming people who can harm him in turn (Junkrat being able to tank his own explosions with no issue)
All of them are scaled off of five calcs that scale to people's durability, with everyone being able to damage each other, its really not hard to understand. That and basically everyone scales to each other lore-wise in some way anyways, you could easily remove gameplay entirely and nothing would change.
Doomfist has a High 8-C feat, Zaryahas a High 8-C feat, Hammond has a High 8-C feat, not sure where youre getting the idea that Doomfist is the ONLY high 8-C feat in the verse. If you actually watch the video for his origin he didnt teambust anyone through sheer force, he blindsided genji and caought him off guard and had genji been able to catch his footing he would have been fine (Reflected in the gameplay, where anyone his by his punches will only die if the hit a wall but if they dont then theyre fine) and he beat Tracer not through force at all, he just ripped off her chronal stabilizer and caused her to self bfr back in time.
Neat, how does Doomsift beating OR15s in any way discredit the Gwishin Omnics, whom Doomfist has never fought at any point in time, being superior to Orisa? Plus Doomfist can be oneshot by D.va's self destruct, so your argument falls flat in that regard as well.
Soldier 76:
Not only has 76 tanked this and loved, but he has fought and defeated omnics on the level of Bastion and Orisa during the Omnic Crisis and fought Reaper, who did the same, in h2h combat. Im sure we can also calc the durability of the heavy assault units that Reaper and the rest of Blackwatch canonically fought and killed during their operations as well, a guy that heavy dropping out of the sky would yield some nice numbers. It should be noted that the shotgun that Jack tanked to the back is the same shotgun that Reaper used to defeat Primal Rage Winsto, the same state that defeated Doomfist, who has a direct High 8-C feat. Now as for the grenade feat, here it is for everyone to see it. The extent of the damage he took was some scorching to his jacket and blunt force trauma, not even external injury, due to tanking the explosion at point blank range letting himself be hit by it to protect Alexandria, and he then gets up and walks away with little more than a few grunts of pain. It should be noted that, for people saying that the grenade 'cant be that powerful because no-name thugs had it', not only did these guys have access to other powerful military tech like a minigun, but saying that they cant have High 8-C weapons because theyre no-name thugs is like saying Thermal Detonators from Star Wars cant be High 8-C because no-name Stormtroopers use them.
Winston Argument:
Winston was only briefly knocked out by the space pod falling directly on his head after he was not only electrocuted several times by Talon soldiers, but after being shot multiple times by Reaper's Hellfire Shotguns to the point where he was brought to his knees beforehand. And the argument that Winston cannot withstand this much weight normally is demonstrably false as Winston has swatted cars aside in the past. Case in point, the only reason he was even remotely injured by the space pod is because he was extensively injured beforehand, and even then he was only knocked out for few seconds and he was completely and totally fine afterwards.
McCree:
This one is easy actually, even watching through the video a second time its pretty damn easy to see why the argument that 'his bullets cant penetrate a sign' is pure PIS, seeing as his bullets in the same video Snapped a steel cable, which would have an immensely higher tensile strength than a street sign, oneshot an Omnic, which should be made a material at least as durable as if not more durable than a street sign (sheet aluminum, as all street signs have been made of since the early 1900s). That, on top of the fact that his gun has killed Omnics comparable to Bastio, no, his gun failing to penetrate a street sign is pure PIS. And due to the facts i posted about Winston, you have yet to prove that he would have been killed by the falling train car.
D.va 8-A?
Yes.
Now as for scaling, i agree that it needs work but its far from inaccurate tier-wise.
Bastion:
Bastion scales directly Reinhardt (Overwatch) as Bastion units directly killed crusaders on his level during the Omnic Crisis, forcing them to develop their extremely durable shield technology to beat them. That and he feared for the lives of Mercy, Torbjör, and Tracer the second that a Bastion unit showed up during Uprising, directly stating that its guns could tear them apart with ease.
Reinhardt
Spars with Brigitte on a daily basis and casually mowed through dozens of Bastion units during the Omnic Crisis, and traded blows with an and fight OR15 in the same battle. He should also be at least comparable to if not superior to the likes of Tracer, Mercy, and Torbjorn.
Brigitte:
Regularly fights Reinhardt and Genji
Roadhog
Has fought and killed Omnics comparable to Bastion, and both he and Junkrat acknowledge that he could easily kill Junkrat if he wanted to.
Junkrat
Has fought and killed Omnics on the level of Bastion and is capable of harming people who can harm him in turn (Junkrat being able to tank his own explosions with no issue)
All of them are scaled off of five calcs that scale to people's durability, with everyone being able to damage each other, its really not hard to understand. That and basically everyone scales to each other lore-wise in some way anyways, you could easily remove gameplay entirely and nothing would change.
Doomfist has a High 8-C feat, Zaryahas a High 8-C feat, Hammond has a High 8-C feat, not sure where youre getting the idea that Doomfist is the ONLY high 8-C feat in the verse. If you actually watch the video for his origin he didnt teambust anyone through sheer force, he blindsided genji and caought him off guard and had genji been able to catch his footing he would have been fine (Reflected in the gameplay, where anyone his by his punches will only die if the hit a wall but if they dont then theyre fine) and he beat Tracer not through force at all, he just ripped off her chronal stabilizer and caused her to self bfr back in time.
Neat, how does Doomsift beating OR15s in any way discredit the Gwishin Omnics, whom Doomfist has never fought at any point in time, being superior to Orisa? Plus Doomfist can be oneshot by D.va's self destruct, so your argument falls flat in that regard as well.
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I'll get to the oversized post in a little while. But first, let me take care of these other bits and pieces.
Of course on top of that, there's also the fact that neither kid was actually present during the real fight, making neither of them a credible source for...well, anything. But anyway...
Even if you ignore all that, there's still the fact that Winston didn't even hold a candle to him until he went Primal Rage. One punch sent him flying and had him unconscious for an entirely unspecified amount of time.
After Doomfist hits him with his gauntlet exactly one time, Genji can't even stand to his feet. That, my friend, is called getting one-shot.
Really now? Because that same video has the other kid pointing out that that's only how it's shown "in the holovids", implying that the real fight wasn't quite the same as the first kid is describing it. And it's not like Doomfist's own animation outright confirms what the first kid says, since we don't see what happens after he and Winston clash.WeeklyBattles said:
Of course on top of that, there's also the fact that neither kid was actually present during the real fight, making neither of them a credible source for...well, anything. But anyway...
Even if you ignore all that, there's still the fact that Winston didn't even hold a candle to him until he went Primal Rage. One punch sent him flying and had him unconscious for an entirely unspecified amount of time.
Now you've lied to the people.WeeklyBattles said:
After Doomfist hits him with his gauntlet exactly one time, Genji can't even stand to his feet. That, my friend, is called getting one-shot.
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Let me do the rest of this in order of relevance. It'll help me keep things as concise as needed.
Checked the blog. Saw a link supposedly leading to the scan that actually took me to a list of all the comics. Also saw that nobody in the blog appears to have actually accepted Zarya's High 8-C feat, just the other calcs within that blog. Ant even refers to the other feats that Aiden said were fine, and explicitly not Zarya's feat, which Aiden was still unable to confirm the veracity of by that point.
Meanwhile, Hammond's sole High 8-C feat comes from gameplay which, as I've said, is recurrently contradictory to what's shown in the cinematics and shouldn't be being used for scaling all of the heroes. Show me any instance outside of gameplay where Hammond's mech has hit anyone at hypersonic speeds. I'll wait.
Alternatively, the whole "he took more damage because he couldn't get his footing"(????) argument could just be wrong, and the bit reflected in gameplay could just be game mechanics.
>D.Va's new calc
...is apparently on a separate wiki from ours, and such hasn't been evaluated or formally accepted by anybody. This certainly explains why the profile doesn't reflect the result of this calc, but it makes me wonder why you're trying to use it right now in spite of that.
A direct quote of your original argument summary:
See an issue here? Orisa doesn't directly scale to anything. Orisa is idirectly scaled to Winston, who's effectively High 8-C for beating Doomfist offscreen. And that's where Doomfist ripping apart OR-15s with his bare hands comes in; Orisa doesn't compare to Doomfist in the slightest, and that makes "these things are superior to Orisa" irrelevant to a High 8-C rating.
Also, who the hell is "Doomsift"?
And of course, if a single Bastion unit chumps the likes of Mercy, Torbjorn and Tracer, then that means all three of them are irrelevant as well.
Also, speaking of High 8-C, if his non-Primal Rage form was harmed by Talon soldiers, that already puts said form far below the likes of Doomfist. Adding to that, Reaper shooting him and incapping him briefly is no proof that the latter is High 8-C, since again, the defeat of Doomfist happened offscreen and we don't know the details of what went down after Winston went Primal during their fight. If anything it's yet another anti-feat for Winston, since other characters that have now been established to be far inferior to Doomfist can withstand those shotguns, and your whole bit about how Winston was already weakened from being electrocuted by Talon soldiers and still survived being shot by them only serves as further evidence that those shotguns aren't necessarily High 8-C either.
The devil's in the details, my friend. That wasn't one cable; it was two cables with a small chain holding them together. In other words, there was a weak point and McCree's exceptional aiming skills allowed him to shoot clean through it.
Notice where the sniper scope is in relation to where McCree's bullet hits. Our friend just pulled a Roland Deschain and shot through the scope, hitting the poor Omnic in its glassy robotic equivalent of its eye. This is further reflected by the animation afterwards; the rifle flips backwards as its holder falls, which shows that it was the recipient of an impact as well.
Damn, I love animation...
So, in summary, there's still no evidence of High 8-C for several of these characters mentioned, and some of them may actually be even weaker in comparison to others than the profiles would have you believe. Many details have either been overlooked, explained in obtuse fashion or otherwise misconstrued as a means of obscuring the fact that all of this wanton scaling has no leg to stand on, and much of what's presented also relies on mixing cinematic/lore feats with gameplay in order for it to have any sort of grounding. Many of the feats shown above are also far more consistent with something to the effect of 9-B or, if I'm being very generous, 9-A.
Which makes plenty of sense, since Doomfist's quantifiably High 8-C feats have all been performed with his trademark gauntlet. Which wouldn't scale to his durability at all, since even a child was able to operate the gauntlet without hurting himself in the process.
"But Widowmaker took a hit from the gauntlet--"
And has since failed to replicate anything on that level. Not when the verse's scaling is treated reasonably.
Your move.
- "Doomfist has a High 8-C feat, Zaryahas a High 8-C feat, Hammond has a High 8-C feat, not sure where youre getting the idea that Doomfist is the ONLY high 8-C feat in the verse."
| Zarya's calc is unusable until I see the state of the destroyed door | ||
~ Bambu |
Meanwhile, Hammond's sole High 8-C feat comes from gameplay which, as I've said, is recurrently contradictory to what's shown in the cinematics and shouldn't be being used for scaling all of the heroes. Show me any instance outside of gameplay where Hammond's mech has hit anyone at hypersonic speeds. I'll wait.
- "If you actually watch the video for his origin he didnt teambust anyone through sheer force, he blindsided genji and caought him off guard and had genji been able to catch his footing he would have been fine (Reflected in the gameplay, where anyone his by his punches will only die if the hit a wall but if they dont then theyre fine)"
Alternatively, the whole "he took more damage because he couldn't get his footing"(????) argument could just be wrong, and the bit reflected in gameplay could just be game mechanics.
>D.Va's new calc
...is apparently on a separate wiki from ours, and such hasn't been evaluated or formally accepted by anybody. This certainly explains why the profile doesn't reflect the result of this calc, but it makes me wonder why you're trying to use it right now in spite of that.
- "Neat, how does Doomsift beating OR15s in any way discredit the Gwishin Omnics, whom Doomfist has never fought at any point in time, being superior to Orisa?"
A direct quote of your original argument summary:
| With this in mind it is physically impossible for the explosion to only be 8-C+ when it destroyed things that are canonically vastly stronger than omnics that scale directly to high 8-C feats. | ||
~ You, 2019 |
- "Bastion scales directly Reinhardt (Overwatch) as Bastion units directly killed crusaders on his level during the Omnic Crisis, forcing them to develop their extremely durable shield technology to beat them. That and he feared for the lives of Mercy, Torbjör, and Tracer the second that a Bastion unit showed up during Uprising, directly stating that its guns could tear them apart with ease."
And of course, if a single Bastion unit chumps the likes of Mercy, Torbjorn and Tracer, then that means all three of them are irrelevant as well.
- "Spars with Brigitte on a daily basis and casually mowed through dozens of Bastion units during the Omnic Crisis, and traded blows with an and fight OR15 in the same battle." (Reinhardt)
- "Regularly fights Reinhardt and Genji" (Bridgitte)
- "Has fought and killed Omnics on the level of Bastion and is capable of harming people who can harm him in turn (Junkrat being able to tank his own explosions with no issue)" (Junkrat)
- Has fought and killed Omnics comparable to Bastion, and both he and Junkrat acknowledge that he could easily kill Junkrat if he wanted to. (Roadhog)
- "The extent of the damage he took was some scorching to his jacket and blunt force trauma, not even external injury, due to tanking the explosion at point blank range letting himself be hit by it to protect Alexandria, and he then gets up and walks away with little more than a few grunts of pain."
- "It should be noted that the shotgun that Jack tanked to the back is the same shotgun that Reaper used to defeat Primal Rage Winston"
- "Winston was only briefly knocked out by the space pod falling directly on his head after he was not only electrocuted several times by Talon soldiers, but after being shot multiple times by Reaper's Hellfire Shotguns to the point where he was brought to his knees beforehand. And the argument that Winston cannot withstand this much weight normally is demonstrably false as Winston has swatted cars aside in the past. Case in point, the only reason he was even remotely injured by the space pod is because he was extensively injured beforehand, and even then he was only knocked out for few seconds and he was completely and totally fine afterwards."
Also, speaking of High 8-C, if his non-Primal Rage form was harmed by Talon soldiers, that already puts said form far below the likes of Doomfist. Adding to that, Reaper shooting him and incapping him briefly is no proof that the latter is High 8-C, since again, the defeat of Doomfist happened offscreen and we don't know the details of what went down after Winston went Primal during their fight. If anything it's yet another anti-feat for Winston, since other characters that have now been established to be far inferior to Doomfist can withstand those shotguns, and your whole bit about how Winston was already weakened from being electrocuted by Talon soldiers and still survived being shot by them only serves as further evidence that those shotguns aren't necessarily High 8-C either.
- "And the argument that Winston cannot withstand this much weight normally is demonstrably false as Winston has swatted cars aside in the past."
- "his bullets in the same video Snapped a steel cable, which would have an immensely higher tensile strength than a street sign" (McCree)
The devil's in the details, my friend. That wasn't one cable; it was two cables with a small chain holding them together. In other words, there was a weak point and McCree's exceptional aiming skills allowed him to shoot clean through it.
- "oneshot an Omnic, which should be made a material at least as durable as if not more durable than a street sign"
Notice where the sniper scope is in relation to where McCree's bullet hits. Our friend just pulled a Roland Deschain and shot through the scope, hitting the poor Omnic in its glassy robotic equivalent of its eye. This is further reflected by the animation afterwards; the rifle flips backwards as its holder falls, which shows that it was the recipient of an impact as well.
- "That, on top of the fact that his gun has killed Omnics comparable to Bastion"
So, in summary, there's still no evidence of High 8-C for several of these characters mentioned, and some of them may actually be even weaker in comparison to others than the profiles would have you believe. Many details have either been overlooked, explained in obtuse fashion or otherwise misconstrued as a means of obscuring the fact that all of this wanton scaling has no leg to stand on, and much of what's presented also relies on mixing cinematic/lore feats with gameplay in order for it to have any sort of grounding. Many of the feats shown above are also far more consistent with something to the effect of 9-B or, if I'm being very generous, 9-A.
Which makes plenty of sense, since Doomfist's quantifiably High 8-C feats have all been performed with his trademark gauntlet. Which wouldn't scale to his durability at all, since even a child was able to operate the gauntlet without hurting himself in the process.
"But Widowmaker took a hit from the gauntlet--"
And has since failed to replicate anything on that level. Not when the verse's scaling is treated reasonably.
Your move.
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At work, will respond d later
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I'm sure I'll be around.
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Yes. holovids are overwatchs equivalent of video recordings, he watched a recording of the fight and saw winston beat doomfist in primal rage mode, consistent with doomfist's trailer and the description of the fight we get in the lore.MrKingOfNegativity said:
I did not lie and am immensely insulted that you imply that i did. The clip you showrd is not genji getting oneshot by doomfists punch. As i explained in my rebuttal, doomfists punch is two parts, one half punch and one half colission. Genji was fine as he was trying to catch his footing, only sustaining damage after being rammed into the car. this is 100% conistent with how doomfists punches work in-game, where the opponent takes double damage and will be oneshot if they are punched into a solid object, but will survive if they are not.
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I will respond to the rest when I get home but I would greatly appreciate it if you kept insults and personal attacks out of your argument, they don't help anyone and only serve to make you look bad.
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I have lost all my respect for you after this account of irresponsibilityMrKingOfNegativity said:
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Even then, still rendered moot by the fact that all of Doomfist's High 8-C evidence comes from him using the gauntlet, which doesn't scale to his physicals without it, thanks to even a child being able to wield it without hurting himself. By that point, all Winston would have had to do is hurt Doomfist physically, since Doomfist is physically nowhere near as strong as his gauntlet.
He bounced off the ground several times before hitting that car, so this argument falls a bit flat regardless. But the other problem is using "he bounced, rolled, slid and then hit a car" as a justification for using an obvious game mechanic for scaling, especially when there's no other evidence to support Genji being able to just tank hits from Doomfist.
By the way, "Now you've lied to the people" is a clear joke in-context, not a personal attack. And no insults have been made either.
He bounced off the ground several times before hitting that car, so this argument falls a bit flat regardless. But the other problem is using "he bounced, rolled, slid and then hit a car" as a justification for using an obvious game mechanic for scaling, especially when there's no other evidence to support Genji being able to just tank hits from Doomfist.
By the way, "Now you've lied to the people" is a clear joke in-context, not a personal attack. And no insults have been made either.
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And yet Widowmaker, who is physically on par with tracer, who is physically on par with genji, was able to survive the punch with little injury.
How about this, while I'm busy at work, you and whoever you need to get to make calcs if necessary calc the OR15 and Heavy Assault Talon Units durability for falling from the sky. Sound good?
I did not take it as a joke and you should know me well enough to know that I wouldn't take someone saying that to me as as joke
How about this, while I'm busy at work, you and whoever you need to get to make calcs if necessary calc the OR15 and Heavy Assault Talon Units durability for falling from the sky. Sound good?
I did not take it as a joke and you should know me well enough to know that I wouldn't take someone saying that to me as as joke
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Weekly, can you please first explain how using gameplay to scale works here when pvp contradicts story stuff? You said it's uaage was fjne but didn't elaborate. Can do this later if you want but it's gotta get done at some point
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- "And yet Widowmaker, who is physically on par with tracer, who is physically on par with genji, was able to survive the punch with little injury."
| And has since failed to replicate anything on that level. Not when the verse's scaling is treated reasonably. | ||
~ Me, 2019 |
- "How about this, while I'm busy at work, you and whoever you need to get to make calcs if necessary calc the OR15 and Heavy Assault Talon Units durability for falling from the sky. Sound good?"
- "I did not take it as a joke and you should know me well enough to know that I wouldn't take someone saying that to me as as joke"
I'm not looking to get into a fistfight over this last point, so I recommend we agree to disagree on it and move on.
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How about this, while I'm busy at work, you and whoever you need to get to make calcs if necessary calc the OR15 and Heavy Assault Talon Units durability for falling from the sky. Sound good?
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You're copypasting something I've already answered.
Just so you know.
Just so you know.
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Just gonna warn you that unless they're significantly heavier than they seem there's almost no way it's tier 8. Only tier 8 falling calcs i know of are space marines and Titanfall titans. With both of those:
- Fall was from a very far distance, both from space
- Both are very heavy. Space marine us >1000kg and Titan used was 43 tons
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@King Honestly I feel it would be better to keep this as serious as possible, without much snarky or teasing remarks.
I definitely don't think you are malicious or anything but I have been getting a gut feeling that the discussion could devolve from jokes to actual conflict given enough time, although I wasn't sure how to put this into words well
I definitely don't think you are malicious or anything but I have been getting a gut feeling that the discussion could devolve from jokes to actual conflict given enough time, although I wasn't sure how to put this into words well
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I always have that feeling when I'm debating an intense subject with people. Years of experience have taught me that it comes with the territory.
But, if it's necessary, I can ease back on some of my usual...mannerisms that come with how I debate people. Even if this is just how I talk. To everyone.
But, if it's necessary, I can ease back on some of my usual...mannerisms that come with how I debate people. Even if this is just how I talk. To everyone.
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Thanks
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@Wok both OR15 and Heavy Assault units weigh several metric tons, the OR15 even parted clouds as it fell
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The heavy assault is actually moving so fast as its falling that it catches on fire so...
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iirc Devistator omnics have a similar feat
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hmm
I don't remember the way to get a volume based off how big a person is, but on principal, people have one liter of volume for every kilo they're packing
He's a fairly large dude, so let's assume he's the normal person equivalent of 100 kilograms, making his volume 100 liters, which converts to 0.1 cubic meters
These guys are probably mostly comprised of steel, so .1 times 8050 is 805 Kilograms
Speed of catching on fire is 1715 meters per second, so .5 times 805 times 1715^2 is....
1183843062.5 Joules, 0.28294528262 Tons, near baseline Building level
There's probably an immensely more refined way to do it, but it adds consistency to more standard overwatch dudes being in the 8-C range like I've kinda seen eluded to what with Diva's self destruct being 1.8 Tons and Hammond double boosting being in the same sort of field (Then again hammond's feat's kinda been ragged upon so I'll ignore that for simplicity's sake)
I don't remember the way to get a volume based off how big a person is, but on principal, people have one liter of volume for every kilo they're packing
He's a fairly large dude, so let's assume he's the normal person equivalent of 100 kilograms, making his volume 100 liters, which converts to 0.1 cubic meters
These guys are probably mostly comprised of steel, so .1 times 8050 is 805 Kilograms
Speed of catching on fire is 1715 meters per second, so .5 times 805 times 1715^2 is....
1183843062.5 Joules, 0.28294528262 Tons, near baseline Building level
There's probably an immensely more refined way to do it, but it adds consistency to more standard overwatch dudes being in the 8-C range like I've kinda seen eluded to what with Diva's self destruct being 1.8 Tons and Hammond double boosting being in the same sort of field (Then again hammond's feat's kinda been ragged upon so I'll ignore that for simplicity's sake)
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Note that he's toting two mini guns as long as he is tall aswell
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Well, those are hollowed out cylinders made to like, actually shoot something, so it wouldn't have 100% density
It would make some change but it's too much work for too little investment on my part, if you have an idea, jump on it
It would make some change but it's too much work for too little investment on my part, if you have an idea, jump on it
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Will do when I get home so I can put these all in one blog, but you agree that it would be 8-C?
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>checks the video
More gameplay stuff that doesn't appear to be supported by lore.
The OR-14 in Reinhardt's video didn't catch on fire when falling, so that's not much support for anything either. And the second feat is an in-game cutscene that doesn't even interrupt the game's other animations. (You'll notice that there are all off the other in-game characters models going through idle animation when the Heavy Assault guy shows up)
And even if we do take the Heavy Assault landing animation as a legitimate feat, those are far and away the strongest units in Talon's ranks, and even in-game they function as bosses that can chew through your heroes with laughable ease if you aren't careful. (Not that I'm advocating we use gameplay to scale or anything, because as I've outlined extensively throughout this thread, that doesn't actually work when it comes to this title)
Calc the OR-14 falling. Then we might have something reliable to work with.
More gameplay stuff that doesn't appear to be supported by lore.
The OR-14 in Reinhardt's video didn't catch on fire when falling, so that's not much support for anything either. And the second feat is an in-game cutscene that doesn't even interrupt the game's other animations. (You'll notice that there are all off the other in-game characters models going through idle animation when the Heavy Assault guy shows up)
And even if we do take the Heavy Assault landing animation as a legitimate feat, those are far and away the strongest units in Talon's ranks, and even in-game they function as bosses that can chew through your heroes with laughable ease if you aren't careful. (Not that I'm advocating we use gameplay to scale or anything, because as I've outlined extensively throughout this thread, that doesn't actually work when it comes to this title)
Calc the OR-14 falling. Then we might have something reliable to work with.
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I'll be heading to work again in twenty minutes or so, just FYI. I can be back some hours later to discuss further.
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>More gameplay stuff that doesn't appear to be supported by lore.
I highly, HIGHLY recommend you actually bother to look a tthe lore before making a claim like this because its 100% supported by the lore
I highly, HIGHLY recommend you actually bother to look a tthe lore before making a claim like this because its 100% supported by the lore
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And yet you keep providing instances of "things landing/moving at hypersonic speeds" taken from the game's engine instead of bringing something from the comics, cinematics or even the extra Dossier stuff on Talon that's been released to the public. I would think that if there were a feat of someone doing this in cinematics or lore, you or someone else who follows the game would have shared it by now to support your case.
Although I'd still say you're more than free to do so now, if you can.
Although I'd still say you're more than free to do so now, if you can.
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